Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Gordon Messmer]

On 04/21/2016 07:49 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

Why it's happened like this environment and how to avoid it.


Generally the way to avoid it would be for your backup application to 
fail if the destination does not exist, and alert the admin.


For instance, rsnapshot has the "no_create_root" option to do exactly that.

If you're making backups with scripts of your own, just start with 
something like:

test -d $destination || alert_admin_and_exit

...where $destination is a sub-directory under the mount point. Backing 
up directly to the mount point can make it more complicated to detect 
the presence of the mounted filesystem.

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Rob Kampen]

On 04/22/2016 03:34 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Thu, April 21, 2016 10:23 pm, John R Pierce wrote:

On 4/21/2016 7:49 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

Finally fixed my issue.
As you told i have unmount the external hard disk then i checked the
/bkhdd/backup folder.
I saw that 190GB backup tar.gz file then i deleted and again remount it.

Thanks a lot for your kind supporting to me to fix this issue.

Why it's happened like this environment and how to avoid it.


don't write to mount points when they aren't mounted, the files get
written to the file system.  and don't create any directories in the
mount point...   like, if you were mounting /dev/sdb1 as /bkhdd then on
the root file ssytem (without that mount) there should never have been
any /bkhdd/backup directory.   in fact /bkhdd should not be writable by
your user processes.

John, thanks for reminding this to all of us, I for one keep forgetting
about it (at least if I'm not dealing with it myself which usually acts as
a federal offense on me ;-) I know one Linux admin who removes write bit
from mount points.
I usually put a file with a name like "mount point for /dev/mdxyz" into 
that mount point folder just in case I fail to mount it. Then when you 
do a ls or ll it shows me I have a problem.

Valeri


I remember older Unix systems would refuse to mount a file system to a
non-empty directory, for exactly this reason, it hides stuff thats
already there.



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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Thu, April 21, 2016 10:23 pm, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 4/21/2016 7:49 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
>> Finally fixed my issue.
>> As you told i have unmount the external hard disk then i checked the
>> /bkhdd/backup folder.
>> I saw that 190GB backup tar.gz file then i deleted and again remount it.
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your kind supporting to me to fix this issue.
>>
>> Why it's happened like this environment and how to avoid it.
>
>
> don't write to mount points when they aren't mounted, the files get
> written to the file system.  and don't create any directories in the
> mount point...   like, if you were mounting /dev/sdb1 as /bkhdd then on
> the root file ssytem (without that mount) there should never have been
> any /bkhdd/backup directory.   in fact /bkhdd should not be writable by
> your user processes.

John, thanks for reminding this to all of us, I for one keep forgetting
about it (at least if I'm not dealing with it myself which usually acts as
a federal offense on me ;-) I know one Linux admin who removes write bit
from mount points.

Valeri

>
> I remember older Unix systems would refuse to mount a file system to a
> non-empty directory, for exactly this reason, it hides stuff thats
> already there.
>
>
>
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[John R Pierce]

On 4/21/2016 7:49 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

Finally fixed my issue.
As you told i have unmount the external hard disk then i checked the
/bkhdd/backup folder.
I saw that 190GB backup tar.gz file then i deleted and again remount it.

Thanks a lot for your kind supporting to me to fix this issue.

Why it's happened like this environment and how to avoid it.



don't write to mount points when they aren't mounted, the files get 
written to the file system.  and don't create any directories in the 
mount point...   like, if you were mounting /dev/sdb1 as /bkhdd then on 
the root file ssytem (without that mount) there should never have been 
any /bkhdd/backup directory.   in fact /bkhdd should not be writable by 
your user processes.


I remember older Unix systems would refuse to mount a file system to a 
non-empty directory, for exactly this reason, it hides stuff thats 
already there.




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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Dear Friends,

Finally fixed my issue.
As you told i have unmount the external hard disk then i checked the
/bkhdd/backup folder.
I saw that 190GB backup tar.gz file then i deleted and again remount it.

Thanks a lot for your kind supporting to me to fix this issue.

Why it's happened like this environment and how to avoid it.


On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Robert Nichols
>  wrote:
> > lsof will show the sizes of the deleted files.
> >
> >  lsof | grep deleted | sort -k7n
>
> That's a reasonable G.D. answer.
>
> The only problem is that on my system, the default output includes a
> TID column that is present in only some of the lines, so the size
> column is 8 for many lines and 7 for the others, so sort doesn't work
> as expected unless you change lsof's output.
>
> And you probably should "grep ' (deleted)$' unless you want to see
> files like
> /home/gordon/.thunderbird/xxx.default/calendar-data/deleted.sqlite.
>
> Still, I guess I learned one thing.
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Gordon Messmer]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Robert Nichols
 wrote:
> lsof will show the sizes of the deleted files.
>
>  lsof | grep deleted | sort -k7n

That's a reasonable G.D. answer.

The only problem is that on my system, the default output includes a
TID column that is present in only some of the lines, so the size
column is 8 for many lines and 7 for the others, so sort doesn't work
as expected unless you change lsof's output.

And you probably should "grep ' (deleted)$' unless you want to see
files like 
/home/gordon/.thunderbird/xxx.default/calendar-data/deleted.sqlite.

Still, I guess I learned one thing.
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Robert Nichols]

On 04/18/2016 03:45 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 04/18/2016 01:18 PM, g wrote:

'lsof', aka, list open files, will list every open file on system, and
there
are a lot.

'grep deleted' will list_only_  the deleted files that are still open.


That's exactly the same thing that "ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep
'(deleted)'" will do. So how is lsof better, exactly?


lsof will show the sizes of the deleted files.

 lsof | grep deleted | sort -k7n

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 04/18/16 17:26, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
<>

> Thanks, I was kind of indulging my laziness, mentioned the command name
> and assumed keen person will look up command usage him/herself. But on a
> receiving end being lazy person I would prefer to just copy and paste
> using _your_ post as opposed to my own ;-)
>
===>
welcome and welcome to the 'lzpc', lazy people club'. charter members
excuse it as terse. B-)

being aware aware of your knowledge from your past post, i was a bit
amazed at your reply.

there is nothing wrong c i am of habit when opportunity presents
itself. it lessens typos and need for thinking about spelling.

also good for adding a list member's name to my email address book. ;-)


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Mon, April 18, 2016 4:22 pm, g wrote:
>
>
> On 04/18/16 15:45, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>> On 04/18/2016 01:18 PM, g wrote:
>>> 'lsof', aka, list open files, will list every open file on system, and
>>> there
>>> are a lot.
>>>
>>> 'grep deleted' will list_only_  the deleted files that are still open.
>>
>> That's exactly the same thing that "ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep
>> '(deleted)'" will do. So how is lsof better, exactly?
>>
> ===>
>
> i did not say it was. i was only correcting Valerie's post.

Thanks, I was kind of indulging my laziness, mentioned the command name
and assumed keen person will look up command usage him/herself. But on a
receiving end being lazy person I would prefer to just copy and paste
using _your_ post as opposed to my own ;-)

Valeri

>
>> I know.  I'm frustrated today.  I spent the weekend dealing with people
>> nit-picking.  It's hard to exaggerate how much time and energy can be
>> wasted by people insisting on meaningless changes.
>>
> ===>
>
> post was not to be nit-picking.
>
> adding 'grep deleted' is not meaningless.
>
> now, can we get back to op's problem?
>
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[g]

On 04/18/16 15:45, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 04/18/2016 01:18 PM, g wrote:
>> 'lsof', aka, list open files, will list every open file on system, and there
>> are a lot.
>>
>> 'grep deleted' will list_only_  the deleted files that are still open.
>
> That's exactly the same thing that "ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep 
> '(deleted)'" will do. So how is lsof better, exactly?
>
===>

i did not say it was. i was only correcting Valerie's post.

> I know.  I'm frustrated today.  I spent the weekend dealing with people 
> nit-picking.  It's hard to exaggerate how much time and energy can be 
> wasted by people insisting on meaningless changes.
>
===>

post was not to be nit-picking.

adding 'grep deleted' is not meaningless.

now, can we get back to op's problem?

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Gordon Messmer]

On 04/18/2016 01:18 PM, g wrote:

'lsof', aka, list open files, will list every open file on system, and there
are a lot.

'grep deleted' will list_only_  the deleted files that are still open.


That's exactly the same thing that "ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep 
'(deleted)'" will do. So how is lsof better, exactly?


I know.  I'm frustrated today.  I spent the weekend dealing with people 
nit-picking.  It's hard to exaggerate how much time and energy can be 
wasted by people insisting on meaningless changes.

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[g]

On 04/18/16 13:31, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 04/18/2016 11:17 AM, g wrote:
>> lsof | grep deleted would work better.
>
> Better how?
>
===>

'lsof', aka, list open files, will list every open file on system, and there
are a lot.

'grep deleted' will list _only_ the deleted files that are still open.

> lsof hasn't always been installed by default, while /proc is pretty 
> reliably available.
>
===>

install lsof if not installed.


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Gordon Messmer]

On 04/18/2016 11:17 AM, g wrote:

lsof | grep deleted would work better.


Better how?

lsof hasn't always been installed by default, while /proc is pretty 
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 04/18/16 13:07, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On Mon, April 18, 2016 1:02 pm, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>> On 04/17/2016 09:27 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> I have tried above your commands
>>> I couldn't see that size of the file.
>>
>> What commands?  I suggested that you look for deleted but open files
>> using:
>> # ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep '(deleted)'
>>
>> If you see any, you won't see their size.  All you'll really see is the
>> PID of the process that has the files open, and in that case, you must
>> terminate that process.
>>
>> Do you see deleted files when you run the command above?
>
> lsof command may be of help either...
>
===>
lsof | grep deleted would work better. ;-)


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Mon, April 18, 2016 1:02 pm, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 04/17/2016 09:27 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
>> Thanks for your help.
>> I have tried above your commands
>> I couldn't see that size of the file.
>
> What commands?  I suggested that you look for deleted but open files
> using:
> # ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep '(deleted)'
>
> If you see any, you won't see their size.  All you'll really see is the
> PID of the process that has the files open, and in that case, you must
> terminate that process.
>
> Do you see deleted files when you run the command above?

lsof command may be of help either...

Valeri


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Gordon Messmer]

On 04/17/2016 09:27 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

Thanks for your help.
I have tried above your commands
I couldn't see that size of the file.


What commands?  I suggested that you look for deleted but open files using:
# ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep '(deleted)'

If you see any, you won't see their size.  All you'll really see is the 
PID of the process that has the files open, and in that case, you must 
terminate that process.


Do you see deleted files when you run the command above?

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Gordon Messmer]

On 04/18/2016 02:47 AM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

For my system shows like below.
df -h

Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda2   909G  576G  287G  67% /
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1   3.9G  160M  3.5G   5% /boot
/dev/sdb1   916G  382G  488G  44% /bkhdd


Unmount /bkhdd temporarily, and then run "du -hs /*" again.  One 
possibility is that you ran a backup while /dev/sdb1 was not mounted, 
and now you are consuming a bunch of space that you can't see because 
you've mounted another filesystem on top of it.


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 05:47:33PM +0800, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> Hi Geleem,
> Please have a look below of my result.
> 
> For my system shows like below.
> df -h
> 
> Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sda2   909G  576G  287G  67% /
> tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/sda1   3.9G  160M  3.5G   5% /boot
> /dev/sdb1   916G  382G  488G  44% /bkhdd
> 
> First hard disk /dev/sda
> Second hard disk /dev/sdb
> 
> The problem is in first hard disk show above size but my email box folders
> having below result.
> 
> du -hs /*

Do you have any dot (.XXX) directories or large files under / ?
These would not be measured by "du -hs /*".

> 8.0K/backup
> 7.5M/bin
> *382G/bkhdd*
> 89M /boot
> 4.0K/cgroup
> 4.0K/command
> 208K/dev
> 79M /etc
> *386G/home*
> 4.0K/isoqlog.domains
> 322M/lib
> 20K /lost+found
> 4.0K/media
> 0   /misc
> 4.0K/mnt
> 0   /net
> 64M /root
> 14M /sbin
> 4.0K/selinux
> 4.0K/service
> 4.0K/srv
> 680K/tmp
> 4.3G/usr
> 1.9G/var
> 
> Here
> 
> /bkhdd is mount in /dev/sdb
> 
> / is mount in /dev/sda
> 
> But the size is not match in /dev/sda
> 
> I am running Centos 6.5 32 bit with CLI Mode.
> How do i check the cache size in this mode.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, g  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On 04/06/16 22:44, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> > > This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
> > >
> > > if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
> > >
> > ===>
> > please post results.
> >
> > > I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
> > >
> > > I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
> > >
> > > How do i check this issue and fix it.
> > >
> > ===>
> > why do you believe that increase is related to gmailtoaster?
> >
> > > how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the
> > size
> > > of hard disk.
> > >
> > ===>
> >
> > > Could anyone help me
> > >
> > ===>
> > have you at any time run kde?
> >
> > ria, i use kde and some time back, found that depending on how a file
> > or directory is deleted, deletion is saved in cache.
> >
> > is it possible that  gnome is doing same?
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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> >  ...oh, wait. He does. THAT explains it!
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 04/18/16 04:47, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> Hi Geleem,
> Please have a look below of my result.
>
> For my system shows like below.
> df -h
>
> Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sda2   909G  576G  287G  67% /
> tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/sda1   3.9G  160M  3.5G   5% /boot
> /dev/sdb1   916G  382G  488G  44% /bkhdd
>
> First hard disk /dev/sda
> Second hard disk /dev/sdb
>
===>
ok. look at size from a diff perspective.

in a virtual terminal, enter df -H, then df -h, followed by df -k.

are you sizes closer with "-k" ?

if in wonder, open second v-term, enter man df to get an understanding
of how block size and rounding cause interesting results.

same applies to du.

neither have a -b to see actual bytes, which i believe is because disk
usage is by blocks, not bytes.


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi Geleem,
Please have a look below of my result.

For my system shows like below.
df -h

Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda2   909G  576G  287G  67% /
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1   3.9G  160M  3.5G   5% /boot
/dev/sdb1   916G  382G  488G  44% /bkhdd

First hard disk /dev/sda
Second hard disk /dev/sdb

The problem is in first hard disk show above size but my email box folders
having below result.

du -hs /*
8.0K/backup
7.5M/bin
*382G/bkhdd*
89M /boot
4.0K/cgroup
4.0K/command
208K/dev
79M /etc
*386G/home*
4.0K/isoqlog.domains
322M/lib
20K /lost+found
4.0K/media
0   /misc
4.0K/mnt
0   /net
64M /root
14M /sbin
4.0K/selinux
4.0K/service
4.0K/srv
680K/tmp
4.3G/usr
1.9G/var

Here

/bkhdd is mount in /dev/sdb

/ is mount in /dev/sda

But the size is not match in /dev/sda

I am running Centos 6.5 32 bit with CLI Mode.
How do i check the cache size in this mode.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, g  wrote:

>
>
> On 04/06/16 22:44, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> > This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
> >
> > if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
> >
> ===>
> please post results.
>
> > I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
> >
> > I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
> >
> > How do i check this issue and fix it.
> >
> ===>
> why do you believe that increase is related to gmailtoaster?
>
> > how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the
> size
> > of hard disk.
> >
> ===>
>
> > Could anyone help me
> >
> ===>
> have you at any time run kde?
>
> ria, i use kde and some time back, found that depending on how a file
> or directory is deleted, deletion is saved in cache.
>
> is it possible that  gnome is doing same?
>
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On 04/06/16 22:44, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
>
> if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
>
===>
please post results.

> I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
>
> I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
>
> How do i check this issue and fix it.
>
===>
why do you believe that increase is related to gmailtoaster?

> how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the size
> of hard disk.
>
===>

> Could anyone help me
>
===>
have you at any time run kde?

ria, i use kde and some time back, found that depending on how a file
or directory is deleted, deletion is saved in cache.

is it possible that  gnome is doing same?


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi Tony and Gordon,
Thanks for your help.
I have tried above your commands
I couldn't see that size of the file.

Usually the qmailbackup created like below format in backup location.

201604151929-backup.tar.gz
201604151929-qmailadminpasswd.tar.bz2
201604151929-qmailcontrolusers.tar.bz2
201604151929-spamassassin-files.tar.bz2
201604151929-squirrelmail-plugins.tar.bz2
201604151929-squirrelmail-prefs.tar.bz2
201604151929-vpopmail.sql.gz
201604151929-vpopmail.tar.bz2

Then i have tried to delete rm -f *.bz2 files or *.gz files.

The above same steps followed on 01 April files.

After that it doesn't show the 201604011929-backup.tar.gz file in backup
location.
but the extra 194 GB size occupied in my server which is above mentioned
backup file size.

I had checked mailbox folder size 386 GB and there is no other big size
folder and files in my server.
But i am wonder why it shows  580GB occupied in my hard disk.

how to find out and solve this issue.
I have run fail2ban and firewall also in my server.
i have doubt anybody hacked or accessed my system from outside.
Could anyone help me.





On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Gordon Messmer 
wrote:

> On 04/06/2016 10:08 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
>
>> qmailtoaster backup file which was around 184 GB in backup.gz type and i
>> have removed .bz2 type file with the same backup/mailbkup directory.
>>
>> After removed .bz2 file it's gone backup.gz also which was 184 GB file.
>> I have run this command locate .gz but couldn't find out it.
>>
>> how do i see the open files.
>>
>
> You're most of the way there.  You've probably identified the culprit.
> The backup file consumed your space, and some process still has it open so
> that it's not being freed on the filesystem.
>
> As root, look for deleted files:
>
> # ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep '(deleted)'
>
> For instance, among the output on my system, I see this:
>
> l-wx--. 1 gmessmer gmessmer 64 Apr  7 09:41 /proc/28087/fd/1 ->
> /home/gmessmer/tmp.1 (deleted)
>
> The file /proc/28087/fd/1 appears as a symlink to a deleted file. In that
> case, the process with PID 28087 has the file open.  I can use "ps" to
> determine what the process is, and terminate it appropriately.
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 04/06/2016 10:08 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

qmailtoaster backup file which was around 184 GB in backup.gz type and i
have removed .bz2 type file with the same backup/mailbkup directory.

After removed .bz2 file it's gone backup.gz also which was 184 GB file.
I have run this command locate .gz but couldn't find out it.

how do i see the open files.


You're most of the way there.  You've probably identified the culprit.  
The backup file consumed your space, and some process still has it open 
so that it's not being freed on the filesystem.


As root, look for deleted files:

# ls -l /proc/*/fd/* | grep '(deleted)'

For instance, among the output on my system, I see this:

l-wx--. 1 gmessmer gmessmer 64 Apr  7 09:41 /proc/28087/fd/1 -> 
/home/gmessmer/tmp.1 (deleted)


The file /proc/28087/fd/1 appears as a symlink to a deleted file. In 
that case, the process with PID 28087 has the file open.  I can use "ps" 
to determine what the process is, and terminate it appropriately.


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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In article ,
Chandran Manikandan  wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
> 
> if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
> 
> I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
> 
> I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
> 
> How do i check this issue and fix it.
> 
> how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the size
> of hard disk.

You can look to see what files have been created or altered in the last
day by using "find" (as root):

# find / -xdev -type f -ctime -1 -ls

For the last 2 days, change the -1 to -2

You can read "man find" to understand the options.

This will only show you files that still exist in the filesystem. If a large
file has been created and is still held open although deleted (unlinked),
it will not show up. But in that case, you can either search for it with
"lsof", or just reboot the system to reclaim the space.

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi John,
/home is not mount. It's under the / root directory. sorry i had mention
wrongly.
/ is mount in /dev/sda

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Anthony K  wrote:

> On 07/04/16 14:48, John R Pierce wrote:
>
>>
>> if you are running X-Windows, there's a nifty utility KDirStat that scans
>> the disk tallying space, then gives you an interactive graphical view of
>> usage.   I believe you can install it from epel as package k4dirsta
>>
>
> And the equivalent of that at the cli is ncdu - also from EPEL.
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 07/04/16 14:48, John R Pierce wrote:


if you are running X-Windows, there's a nifty utility KDirStat that 
scans the disk tallying space, then gives you an interactive graphical 
view of usage.   I believe you can install it from epel as package 
k4dirsta 


And the equivalent of that at the cli is ncdu - also from EPEL.

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 4/7/2016 1:25 AM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

For my system shows like below.
df -h

Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda2   909G  576G  287G  67% /
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1   3.9G  160M  3.5G   5% /boot
/dev/sdb1   916G  382G  488G  44% /bkhdd

.

/bkhdd is mount in /dev/sdb

/home is mount in /dev/sda

But the size is not match in /dev/sda


I do  not see a mount for /home in the file systems listed on df -h, are 
you sure its mounted ?   it appears to just be a folder on /



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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi John,
Thank you.

For my system shows like below.
df -h

Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda2   909G  576G  287G  67% /
tmpfs   3.9G 0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1   3.9G  160M  3.5G   5% /boot
/dev/sdb1   916G  382G  488G  44% /bkhdd

First hard disk /dev/sda
Second hard disk /dev/sdb

The problem is in first hard disk show above size but my email box folders
having below result.

du -hs /*
8.0K/backup
7.5M/bin
*382G/bkhdd*
89M /boot
4.0K/cgroup
4.0K/command
208K/dev
79M /etc
*386G/home*
4.0K/isoqlog.domains
322M/lib
20K /lost+found
4.0K/media
0   /misc
4.0K/mnt
0   /net
64M /root
14M /sbin
4.0K/selinux
4.0K/service
4.0K/srv
680K/tmp
4.3G/usr
1.9G/var

Here

/bkhdd is mount in /dev/sdb

/home is mount in /dev/sda

But the size is not match in /dev/sda

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:42 PM, John R Pierce  wrote:

> On 4/7/2016 12:04 AM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
>
>> Still no luck .
>> I have tried your commands in root folder.
>> It's showing max size 384 only in home directory.
>>
>> But if i try df -h shown 579.
>>
>> Is there any way to find out recycle bin folder
>>
>
>
> Linux shell has no such thing as a recycle bin, thats a windows thing
> (some linux graphical desktops might create one in for a user's files, it
> would be in his /home/username somewhere).
>
> df -h shows a lot of info, for instance on one of my servers, I see...
>
> # df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/mapper/vg_free-lv_root
>50G  7.7G   39G  17% /
> tmpfs  12G 0   12G   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/sda1 477M  146M  306M  33% /boot
> /dev/mapper/vg_free-lv_home
>30G  7.1G   23G  25% /home
> /dev/mapper/vg_free-lvpgsql
>30G  671M   30G   3% /var/lib/pgsql
> /dev/mapper/vg_free-lvimages
>   150G   61G   90G  41% /var/lib/libvirt/images
> /dev/mapper/vgdata-lvhome2
>   1.8T  470G  1.4T  26% /home2
>
> # du -hs /home/*
> 398M/home/downloads
> 16K /home/ipsloth
> 16K /home/junk
> 4.1G/home/observers
> 32M /home/pierce
> 2.5G/home/scac
>
> 2.5GB + 4.1 GB + the odds and ends there adds up to pretty close to the
> 7.1GB 'used' in the /home file system.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[John R Pierce]

On 4/7/2016 12:04 AM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

Still no luck .
I have tried your commands in root folder.
It's showing max size 384 only in home directory.

But if i try df -h shown 579.

Is there any way to find out recycle bin folder



Linux shell has no such thing as a recycle bin, thats a windows thing 
(some linux graphical desktops might create one in for a user's files, 
it would be in his /home/username somewhere).


df -h shows a lot of info, for instance on one of my servers, I see...

# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/vg_free-lv_root
   50G  7.7G   39G  17% /
tmpfs  12G 0   12G   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1 477M  146M  306M  33% /boot
/dev/mapper/vg_free-lv_home
   30G  7.1G   23G  25% /home
/dev/mapper/vg_free-lvpgsql
   30G  671M   30G   3% /var/lib/pgsql
/dev/mapper/vg_free-lvimages
  150G   61G   90G  41% /var/lib/libvirt/images
/dev/mapper/vgdata-lvhome2
  1.8T  470G  1.4T  26% /home2

# du -hs /home/*
398M/home/downloads
16K /home/ipsloth
16K /home/junk
4.1G/home/observers
32M /home/pierce
2.5G/home/scac

2.5GB + 4.1 GB + the odds and ends there adds up to pretty close to the 
7.1GB 'used' in the /home file system.








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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi John, Ashish,

Still no luck .
I have tried your commands in root folder.
It's showing max size 384 only in home directory.

But if i try df -h shown 579.

Is there any way to find out recycle bin folder

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Ashish Yadav  wrote:

> Hi Chandran,
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Chandran Manikandan 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> > Am currently running dos mode not graphical mode.
> > Could you have any other method.
> >
> > Hi Ashish,
> > You are correct.
> > qmailtoaster backup file which was around 184 GB in backup.gz type and i
> > have removed .bz2 type file with the same backup/mailbkup directory.
> >
> > After removed .bz2 file it's gone backup.gz also which was 184 GB file.
> > I have run this command locate .gz but couldn't find out it.
> >
> > how do i see the open files.
> >
> > Could you help me to find out this file or any soln.
> >
>
> Follow this link for more information,
> 
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Hi Chandran,


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Chandran Manikandan 
wrote:

> Hi John,
> Am currently running dos mode not graphical mode.
> Could you have any other method.
>
> Hi Ashish,
> You are correct.
> qmailtoaster backup file which was around 184 GB in backup.gz type and i
> have removed .bz2 type file with the same backup/mailbkup directory.
>
> After removed .bz2 file it's gone backup.gz also which was 184 GB file.
> I have run this command locate .gz but couldn't find out it.
>
> how do i see the open files.
>
> Could you help me to find out this file or any soln.
>

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On 4/6/2016 10:08 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:

Am currently running dos mode not graphical mode.
Could you have any other method.


for unix shell (its *not* 'dos mode', MSDOS is a legacy system of 
Microsoft), du is the command to use.


du -hs /*

will give you a summary of the space used by every top level 
directory.   ignore /dev /proc and /sys as they aren't real directories, 
theya re pseudo file systems.   if it turns out, for example, that /var 
is the biggest pig, then


du -hs /var/*

to see the totals of whats in each folder in /var

rinse, repeat...


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi John,
Am currently running dos mode not graphical mode.
Could you have any other method.

Hi Ashish,
You are correct.
qmailtoaster backup file which was around 184 GB in backup.gz type and i
have removed .bz2 type file with the same backup/mailbkup directory.

After removed .bz2 file it's gone backup.gz also which was 184 GB file.
I have run this command locate .gz but couldn't find out it.

how do i see the open files.

Could you help me to find out this file or any soln.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Ashish Yadav  wrote:

> Hi Chandran,
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Chandran Manikandan 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> > This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
> >
> > if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
> >
> > I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
> >
> > I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
> >
> > How do i check this issue and fix it.
> >
> > how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the
> size
> > of hard disk.
> >
> > Could anyone help me
> >
>
> Basically, df reads the superblock only and trusts it completely.  du reads
> each object and sums them up.
>
> Any running process can keep a deleted file open. This means the space will
> still be reserved and seen by df,
> but since du will no longer see a reference to that file in the directory
> tree, it cannot see those reserved blocks.
>
> Try to see the number of open file which could be causing the problem.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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Hi Chandran,


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Chandran Manikandan 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
>
> if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
>
> I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
>
> I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
>
> How do i check this issue and fix it.
>
> how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the size
> of hard disk.
>
> Could anyone help me
>

Basically, df reads the superblock only and trusts it completely.  du reads
each object and sums them up.

Any running process can keep a deleted file open. This means the space will
still be reserved and seen by df,
but since du will no longer see a reference to that file in the directory
tree, it cannot see those reserved blocks.

Try to see the number of open file which could be causing the problem.


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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On 4/6/2016 9:20 PM, Frank Cox wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:08:45 +0800
Chandran Manikandan wrote:


>Should i need to run above command in home directory or root.

The command that he gave you will work from any directory.  The / means start 
from the root directory so where you are when you run it is irrelevant.



howevver if he doesn't run it as the root user, it won't be able to 
calculate space in directories the current user can't access.


if you are running X-Windows, there's a nifty utility KDirStat that 
scans the disk tallying space, then gives you an interactive graphical 
view of usage.   I believe you can install it from epel as package k4dirstat






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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:08:45 +0800
Chandran Manikandan wrote:

> Should i need to run above command in home directory or root.

The command that he gave you will work from any directory.  The / means start 
from the root directory so where you are when you run it is irrelevant.

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Re: [CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi Digimer,

Should i need to run above command in home directory or root.
Could you help me.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Digimer  wrote:

> On 06/04/16 11:44 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> > This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
> >
> > if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
> >
> > I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
> >
> > I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
> >
> > How do i check this issue and fix it.
> >
> > how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the
> size
> > of hard disk.
> >
> > Could anyone help me
> >
>
> Start with 'du -hs /'. If one of the directories is bigger than
> expected, re-run in that directory. Repeat until you find the
> unexpectedly large directory.
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On 06/04/16 11:44 PM, Chandran Manikandan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
> This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.
> 
> if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB
> 
> I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.
> 
> I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.
> 
> How do i check this issue and fix it.
> 
> how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the size
> of hard disk.
> 
> Could anyone help me
> 

Start with 'du -hs /'. If one of the directories is bigger than
expected, re-run in that directory. Repeat until you find the
unexpectedly large directory.

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[CentOS] Suddenly increased my hard disk

[Chandran Manikandan]

Hi All,

I have running Centos 6.5 32 bit machine.
This machine is running qmailtoaster packages and mailbox size is 385 GB.

if i run the df -h command it show 385 GB out of 1TB

I have run the same command today suddenly shows 576 GB out of 1 TB.

I didn't update any bulk file and mail transaction is not very high.

How do i check this issue and fix it.

how do i find out and why suddenly showing this much of increasing the size
of hard disk.

Could anyone help me

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