Re: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

2008-11-20 Thread Nifty Cluster Mitch
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:31:23AM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
 
 I'm not near a computer to dig this but there should be a way to tell
 unix telnet to change the chars it sends for enter, read telnet(1).
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 --Amos
 
 On 11/15/08, Frank M. Ramaekers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Okay, here are some things I found out.
 
  1)  Linux telnet is sending a 0x0a for the enter key
  2)  Windows putty program is sending a 0x0d for the enter key
  3)  Windows telnet is sending a 0x0d0a for the enter key
  4)  The device (don't ask) I'm working with doesn't like the Linux
  telnet
 
  I've tried coding the expect with 0x0d:
 
  expect 
  send m2
  send \x0d
 
  But, this doesn't seem to work.
 
  I'm starting to run out of ideas.
 

Look at stty and the notion of cooked and raw tty devices.
This is a key difference with Windows and Linux text.

Windows newline is a pair
Unix/Linux is 0ALF  ā€™\nā€™ (new line) and the line discipline 
expands the LF to the pair.

In  you may need to set the tty to raw and then revisit your expect code.
Also terminals can be wonkey.   If you set $TERM to dumb you may
find some sanity in your problem.

You can telnet to local host and run od -xc to see what you are sending.
By tinkering with the stty setting you can toggle from cooked to half cooked
to raw...

I think your problem is that your expectation is that the tty will reflect
what you type and not cook it to something else.

In the early days of Unix the ability to have a newline not advance the roll
permits overstrikes and simple line edits.  LF need not imply a CR+LF pair.  
Thus this 
can be printed with seven bytes on the old yellow roll.
a
 b
  c
   d


If you tinker with stty settings in scripts or programs save the initial 
settings so you can 
restore them.  See stty's man page for stuff like:
[-]icrnl
  translate carriage return to newline
 ...
[-]igncr
  ignore carriage return
 ...
[-]inlcr
  translate newline to carriage return
 ...
 etc.




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RE: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

2008-11-14 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Okay, here are some things I found out.

1)  Linux telnet is sending a 0x0a for the enter key
2)  Windows putty program is sending a 0x0d for the enter key
3)  Windows telnet is sending a 0x0d0a for the enter key
4)  The device (don't ask) I'm working with doesn't like the Linux
telnet

I've tried coding the expect with 0x0d:

expect 
send m2
send \x0d

But, this doesn't seem to work.

I'm starting to run out of ideas.


Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer   MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE
American Income Life Insurance Co.   Phone: (254)761-6649
1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax:   (254)741-5777
Waco, Texas  76710

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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

Frank M. Ramaekers wrote:
 I need to write a script that will contact a remote system using
TELNET
 with VT52/1xx/2xx/320 and perform some operations.  I am familiar with
 TELNET but it appears that it won't work for my purposes.

Check out expect. I had to do this with some data radios as of late, and

it worked out pretty well.

http://linux.die.net/man/1/expect

Regards,
Max

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Re: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

2008-11-14 Thread Amos Shapira
I'm not near a computer to dig this but there should be a way to tell
unix telnet to change the chars it sends for enter, read telnet(1).

Hope this helps.

--Amos

On 11/15/08, Frank M. Ramaekers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, here are some things I found out.

 1)Linux telnet is sending a 0x0a for the enter key
 2)Windows putty program is sending a 0x0d for the enter key
 3)Windows telnet is sending a 0x0d0a for the enter key
 4)The device (don't ask) I'm working with doesn't like the Linux
 telnet

 I've tried coding the expect with 0x0d:

 expect 
 send m2
 send \x0d

 But, this doesn't seem to work.

 I'm starting to run out of ideas.


 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
 Systems Programmer   MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE
 American Income Life Insurance Co.   Phone: (254)761-6649
 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax:   (254)741-5777
 Waco, Texas  76710
   
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Max Hetrick
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:59 PM
 To: CentOS mailing list
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

 Frank M. Ramaekers wrote:
 I need to write a script that will contact a remote system using
 TELNET
 with VT52/1xx/2xx/320 and perform some operations.  I am familiar with
 TELNET but it appears that it won't work for my purposes.

 Check out expect. I had to do this with some data radios as of late, and

 it worked out pretty well.

 http://linux.die.net/man/1/expect

 Regards,
 Max

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[CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

2008-11-12 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
I need to write a script that will contact a remote system using TELNET
with VT52/1xx/2xx/320 and perform some operations.  I am familiar with
TELNET but it appears that it won't work for my purposes.

TIA,

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer   MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE
American Income Life Insurance Co.   Phone: (254)761-6649
1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax:   (254)741-5777
Waco, Texas  76710


 



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Re: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

2008-11-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008, Frank M. Ramaekers wrote:
I need to write a script that will contact a remote system using TELNET
with VT52/1xx/2xx/320 and perform some operations.  I am familiar with
TELNET but it appears that it won't work for my purposes.

Many systems don't allow telnet connections because of security
issues, using ssh (secure shell instead).

If the issue is dealing with programs on the remote system that
are designed for interactive use, this is difficult to do
reliably although not impossible using ``expect'' via some kind of
remote connection, ssh, telnet, etc. (I was running Tandy's Xenix
accounting applications on a Tandy Model 16 24 years ago using
nothing but input and output redirection from the shell, but that
was not pretty :-).

The ``expect'' program is built around ``tcl'' scripting, but
there are perl and python modules that work reasonably well too.

Bill
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Re: [CentOS] Terminal emulation scripting

2008-11-12 Thread Max Hetrick

Frank M. Ramaekers wrote:

I need to write a script that will contact a remote system using TELNET
with VT52/1xx/2xx/320 and perform some operations.  I am familiar with
TELNET but it appears that it won't work for my purposes.


Check out expect. I had to do this with some data radios as of late, and 
it worked out pretty well.


http://linux.die.net/man/1/expect

Regards,
Max

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