Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
sbeam wrote: On Thursday 16 October 2008 07:26, Michael Simpson wrote: Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? ok thanks guys, the firefox RPM was normal and the system is solid 64bit, it's just Firefox that has problems. In the past crashes could be triggered just by simple UI interaction, scrolling or click/drag, etc. Seemed like any time it would use GTK widgets it was on thin ice. I run KDE so I wondered if any other KDE users have this problem. But I am running the mozilla.org binary now, so I can get crashreporter to work - but it doesn't... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460254 anyway this is not a CentOS issue it seems. But thanks for letting me know. Sam Sam, Most people responding are probably running the 32bit (i386) version of CentOS. If you are running the x86_64 arch and also running the Mozilla.org firefox then you are PROBABLY doing so via the 32bit compatibility libs. It has been my experience that this is far less stable (32bit compatibility libs on x86_64) for many things, not just firefox. I have never personally recommended running the x86_64 arch on a desktop workstation ... and in fact, I have several 64bit capable machines that I personally use as workstations where I install the 32bit (i386 version) of CentOS. I know everyone THINKS that they want/need the x86_64 arch ... however, the rest of the world outside the base OS are really not quite ready for that. I personally only use x86_64 on servers where I can remove all the i[3,4,5,6]86 RPMS and go x86_64 only ... where it works great. This is, of course, one man's opinion :D Also, there are newer versions of Adobe Reader (AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2_SU1) and Adobe Flash (flash-plugin-10.0.12.36-release) that are a bit more stable than the earlier ones. Specifically, the SU1 version of Adobe Reader is better than the standard 8.1.2 version. Thanks, Johnny Hughes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Johnny Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, Most people responding are probably running the 32bit (i386) version of CentOS. If you are running the x86_64 arch and also running the Mozilla.org firefox then you are PROBABLY doing so via the 32bit compatibility libs. I have the same stability problems with Seamonkey on both my 32-bit workstation at work and my 64-bit desktop at home. In fact, they have grown worse since SM 1.10 a couple of months ago (they're up to 1.12 and it's more unstable than ever, with the same problems and worse). It has been my experience that this is far less stable (32bit compatibility libs on x86_64) for many things, not just firefox. Actually, I have almost no stability problems other than SM on my 64-bit machine at home. However, I should add the caveat that I don't use every single newfangled, shiny app that comes out just because it's there. I have a strong preference for proven, stable apps, so that could be a part of it. I also tend to prefer 64-bit apps where possible/available because they tend to run better than their 32-bit counterparts (on a 64-bit OS). My personal, big exception: OOo, because I like the newer version (2.4.1) a lot better than the distro version (2.3.0), which is just ok. I have never personally recommended running the x86_64 arch on a desktop workstation ... and in fact, I have several 64bit capable machines that I personally use as workstations where I install the 32bit (i386 version) of CentOS. I'd say it's a matter of personal taste and experience - if your experience with 64-bits on your desktop is not as good as your experiences with 32, chances are you'll feel that way. If you run gobs of 32-bit apps that are not available in 64-bit versions and they tend to be a bit flaky on the 64-bit platform, that's also a good reason to stick to 32. I know everyone THINKS that they want/need the x86_64 arch ... however, the rest of the world outside the base OS are really not quite ready for that. I personally only use x86_64 on servers where I can remove all the i[3,4,5,6]86 RPMS and go x86_64 only ... where it works great. This is, of course, one man's opinion :D YMMV. Also, there are newer versions of Adobe Reader (AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2_SU1) and Adobe Flash (flash-plugin-10.0.12.36-release) that are a bit more stable than the earlier ones. Specifically, the SU1 version of Adobe Reader is better than the standard 8.1.2 version. This certainly seems to be true for the 32-bit versions, at least of AR (I don't think I have the 10.x version of flash yet...). On my home desktop, I run AR 7.9 because the 8.x versions don't print landscape PDFs properly at all, and they also have fewer options for printing, like scaling that works. This could be a 64-bit issue, but I run the 32-bit plugins with nspluginwrapper, and although MOST plugins run just fine that way, nppdf and flash do not. Sometimes I think Adobe just doesn't like 64-bits yet. And... That's just _my_ $0.02 ($4 in today's money...). mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I use KDE (which may change my results). I was having problems with Firefox crashing (exiting w/o warning) on most advertiser-supported pages. Page would start loading, then FF would just be gone. FF worked great on clean pages (like CentOS.org). Tracked this back to the Flash player from Adobe. Disabled it, and problem went away. Ted Miller I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On 10/16/08, William L. Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 09:47 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I snip Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? snip sig stuff I run FF3 on CentOS 5.2 on a 9yr old laptop (256MB ram p3 processor 16GB SSD) with no problems whatsoever (other than my partners orange webmail maxing out the cpu with their ads) mike ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Thursday 16 October 2008 07:26, Michael Simpson wrote: Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? ok thanks guys, the firefox RPM was normal and the system is solid 64bit, it's just Firefox that has problems. In the past crashes could be triggered just by simple UI interaction, scrolling or click/drag, etc. Seemed like any time it would use GTK widgets it was on thin ice. I run KDE so I wondered if any other KDE users have this problem. But I am running the mozilla.org binary now, so I can get crashreporter to work - but it doesn't... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460254 anyway this is not a CentOS issue it seems. But thanks for letting me know. Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 09:47 +0100, Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I snip Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos Ditto here. Have you run an rpm --verify to see if you have corruption problems? Have you mixed installs from (possibly conflicting) repos? I suspect one of those two. Have you checked your hardware (memtest, etc.)? If the system is haeavily loaded, have you checked to see if it's a heat related problem? snip sig stuff -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? snip Hi Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos Same here, Marcello. Firefox has been running several days, currently with an insane 47 tabs. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
hey when you're saying crashing, what exactly do you mean?.. is it the app that crashes.. is it that your mouse/keyboard no longer works?, is your system still running (you can ssh into it), but you can't move your mouse??? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marcelo M. Garcia Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:47 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable sbeam wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Hi Sorry to hear this, but I use Firefox 3.0.2 daily and I don't have any of these problems. For me works fine. Regards Marcelo Centos 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.13.el5) firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Wednesday 15 October 2008 13:27, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. should have mentioned that neither crashreporter nor talkback were coming up. Once in a while I get Gnome Bug-Buddy which fails to do anything useful. Seems like someone at RH tinkered with mozilla's crash handling Not for me. I have had 1 crash in 2 weeks. I would look at doing dealing with the usual suspects: 1) Remove any extra plugins you added. 2) mv .mozilla .mozilla-bad-$(date -Im) and start over. If the problem does not go away then it is some other item that is causing the issue. Well I need my plugins to get work done so I installed the binary from mozilla.org in /opt/ and symlinked to that, seems to be better so far. This is what I used to do to get the latest version anyway, so if it works will just stay this way. If not I'll get on bugzilla and pursue that. thanks Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM, sbeam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone else have major probs with Firefox as installed on CentOS5? ever since the RPM for FF3 came out it has been crashing daily. Usually when I use Save As... or Browse... or anything else that brings up the Gnome file picker. After the crash I re-start then the file picker works for a while. Not for me. I have had 1 crash in 2 weeks. I would look at doing dealing with the usual suspects: 1) Remove any extra plugins you added. 2) mv .mozilla .mozilla-bad-$(date -Im) and start over. If the problem does not go away then it is some other item that is causing the issue. Sometimes it just takes scrolling or click+drag an image or some other random action. BANG your'e dead. Very frustrating. Now today it is just crashing randomly, I am not even touching it. Maybe one of my plugins, I know. I guess I will run it with debugger/strace. but does anyone else see this? $ rpm -qa firefox firefox-3.0.2-3.el5.centos $ cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 5.2 (Final) $ rpm -qa kdebase kdebase-3.5.4-18.el5.centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. The Merchant of Venice ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox is incredibly unstable
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM, sbeam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I need my plugins to get work done so I installed the binary from mozilla.org in /opt/ and symlinked to that, seems to be better so far. This is what I used to do to get the latest version anyway, so if it works will just stay this way. If not I'll get on bugzilla and pursue that. Now that's interesting. I've been having the same problem with Seamonkey (the integrated Mozilla suite), and I have less trouble in general when I build my own and install it in /opt. (The AR and SWF plugins don't work there, for some reason, but all the others do.) It never occurred to me that the installation location would be involved - I'll have to try that and see how it works. Thanks! mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
