Re: [CentOS] is 'list_del corruption' fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread John Pierce
Reading the FAQ on Stratis, it appears to be a modified XFS file system
that pools freespace, but also appears to be a long LONG ways from being
something I'd do anything with other than poke at in a lab.



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Re: [CentOS] is 'list_del corruption' fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS

> Am 17.05.2019 um 19:26 schrieb mark :
> 
> Warren Young wrote:
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:53 AM, John Hodrien 
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2019, James Szinger wrote:
 On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:17 AM John Hodrien
  wrote:
 
> RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.
 
 I'm curious, is there anything in RHEL 8 that would replace BTRFS or
 ZFS?  I'm experimenting with BTRFS on one system and the snapshot and
 subvolume features are nice.
>>> 
>>> I assume Stratis is the general answer.
>>> 
>> It looks like built-in RAID didn’t land in this version, which means
>> we’re another 3-5 years from anything that actually works like ZFS or
>> btrfs which are LVM + RAID + filesystem.
>> 
>> According to the docs, you have to lay Stratis over MDRAID in EL8 to get
>> storage redundancy:
>> 
> 
> I followed the link, and was reading, and I'm confused.
> 1. How is this different than LVM?
> 2. Why would you want to put it on top of LVM?
> 

And more important - its a "Technology Preview" ...

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Re: [CentOS] is 'list_del corruption' fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread mark
Warren Young wrote:
> On May 17, 2019, at 9:53 AM, John Hodrien 
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2019, James Szinger wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:17 AM John Hodrien
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.
>>>
>>> I'm curious, is there anything in RHEL 8 that would replace BTRFS or
>>> ZFS?  I'm experimenting with BTRFS on one system and the snapshot and
>>> subvolume features are nice.
>>
>> I assume Stratis is the general answer.
>>
> It looks like built-in RAID didn’t land in this version, which means
> we’re another 3-5 years from anything that actually works like ZFS or
> btrfs which are LVM + RAID + filesystem.
>
> According to the docs, you have to lay Stratis over MDRAID in EL8 to get
> storage redundancy:
>

I followed the link, and was reading, and I'm confused.
1. How is this different than LVM?
2. Why would you want to put it on top of LVM?

  mark "Please don't tell me 'because you can point and click'"

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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread Julio E. Gonzalez

On 5/17/19 12:45 PM, Warren Young wrote:

On May 17, 2019, at 9:53 AM, John Hodrien  wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019, James Szinger wrote:


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:17 AM John Hodrien  wrote:

RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.

I'm curious, is there anything in RHEL 8 that would replace BTRFS or
ZFS?  I'm experimenting with BTRFS on one system and the snapshot and
subvolume features are nice.

I assume Stratis is the general answer.

It looks like built-in RAID didn’t land in this version, which means we’re 
another 3-5 years from anything that actually works like ZFS or btrfs which are 
LVM + RAID + filesystem.

According to the docs, you have to lay Stratis over MDRAID in EL8 to get 
storage redundancy:

 
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/managing_file_systems/managing-layered-local-storage-with-stratis_managing-file-systems

Snapshots with Stratis appear to work more sanely than in LVM2, so that’s 
something, at least.
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I really want to upgrade to RHEL/Centos 8, but I need to keep using my 
btrfs disk/partitions. Btrfs is very useful to me.

What can I do now ?
I guess a kernel on Centos 8, that supports btrfs, will be very popular 
soon



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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread Warren Young
On May 17, 2019, at 9:53 AM, John Hodrien  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 May 2019, James Szinger wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:17 AM John Hodrien  wrote:
>>> RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.
>> 
>> I'm curious, is there anything in RHEL 8 that would replace BTRFS or
>> ZFS?  I'm experimenting with BTRFS on one system and the snapshot and
>> subvolume features are nice.
> 
> I assume Stratis is the general answer.

It looks like built-in RAID didn’t land in this version, which means we’re 
another 3-5 years from anything that actually works like ZFS or btrfs which are 
LVM + RAID + filesystem.

According to the docs, you have to lay Stratis over MDRAID in EL8 to get 
storage redundancy:


https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/managing_file_systems/managing-layered-local-storage-with-stratis_managing-file-systems

Snapshots with Stratis appear to work more sanely than in LVM2, so that’s 
something, at least.
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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread John Hodrien

On Fri, 17 May 2019, James Szinger wrote:


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:17 AM John Hodrien  wrote:

RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.


I'm curious, is there anything in RHEL 8 that would replace BTRFS or
ZFS?  I'm experimenting with BTRFS on one system and the snapshot and
subvolume features are nice.


I assume Stratis is the general answer.

jh
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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread James Szinger
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:17 AM John Hodrien  wrote:
> RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.

I'm curious, is there anything in RHEL 8 that would replace BTRFS or
ZFS?  I'm experimenting with BTRFS on one system and the snapshot and
subvolume features are nice.

Jim
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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread James Szinger
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:47 AM santhosh kumar
 wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:26 PM santhosh kumar 
> wrote:
>
> > We migrated from redhat 5.3 to centos 7.5 and facing crashes in longevity
> > tests
> >
> > All of them point to below reason,
> >
> > list_del corruption. next->prev should be 880c1e567000, but was
> > 00450008a948adba
> >
> > We searched around web and see this is fixed in redhat
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1028750

That's a Fedora bug and Fedora merely built a newer kernel with the
upstream kernel fix.  It's mostly irrelevant to RHEL and Centos.

> >
> > But don't see any fix in Centos. https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=10944

According to the CentOS kernel changelog

$ rpm -q --changelog kernel-`uname -r`|less # only relevant lines shown
* Mon Mar 03 2014 Jarod Wilson  [3.10.0-101.el7]
- [fs] btrfs: take ordered root lock when removing ordered operations
inode (Zach Brown) [1051282]

this might have been fixed in 2014, but I don't have access to
1051282.  There are also scores more btrfs patches in the RHEL 7
kernel since 2013.

I also notice that the stack trace for
https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=10944 does NOT mention btrfs, so
it's most likely a different bug.

Jim
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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread John Hodrien

On Fri, 17 May 2019, Pete Biggs wrote:


CentOS is a clone of RHEL - if it is fixed in RHEL 7 it will be fixed
in CentOS 7. CentOS doesn't "fix" things as such as that would break
compatibility with RHEL.

There may be some 3rd party repo that provides a newer kernel that
fixes the issue.


I'd go further.

It's also a kernel bug in btrfs, which given btrfs has only ever been a 
Technology Preview in RHEL, and was moved to being a deprecated feature in 7.4, 
I'd suggest that you shouldn't be looking for upstream support on btrfs.

If you're tinkering with btrfs, don't be surprised at having to use a kernel 
from elsewhere, as suggested by Pete.

RHEL advice would clearly be not to use btrfs.

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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread Pete Biggs


> 
> Gentle reminder ! Please let me know if there are any pointers for this

As far as I can see your original message never made it on to the
mailing list ...

> 
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:26 PM santhosh kumar 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > We migrated from redhat 5.3 to centos 7.5 and facing crashes in longevity
> > tests

Why not 7.6??

> > 
> > All of them point to below reason,
> > 
> > list_del corruption. next->prev should be 880c1e567000, but was
> > 00450008a948adba
> > 
> > We searched around web and see this is fixed in redhat
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1028750
> > 
> > But don't see any fix in Centos. https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=10944
> > 
> > Is this the fact ?
> > What is the general practice ?
> > Can we port the fix from redhat and upstream for Centos ?
> > 

CentOS is a clone of RHEL - if it is fixed in RHEL 7 it will be fixed
in CentOS 7. CentOS doesn't "fix" things as such as that would break
compatibility with RHEL.

There may be some 3rd party repo that provides a newer kernel that
fixes the issue.

P.


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Re: [CentOS] is "list_del corruption" fix available in Centos ?

2019-05-17 Thread santhosh kumar
Hi,

Gentle reminder ! Please let me know if there are any pointers for this

Thanks
Santhosh

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:26 PM santhosh kumar 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We migrated from redhat 5.3 to centos 7.5 and facing crashes in longevity
> tests
>
> All of them point to below reason,
>
> list_del corruption. next->prev should be 880c1e567000, but was
> 00450008a948adba
>
> We searched around web and see this is fixed in redhat
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1028750
>
> But don't see any fix in Centos. https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=10944
>
> Is this the fact ?
> What is the general practice ?
> Can we port the fix from redhat and upstream for Centos ?
>
> Please give me some guidance.
>
> Thanks
> Santhosh
>
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