Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

Devin Reade wrote on Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:19:54 -0600:

> The symptoms you describe could be a side effect of being previously hit by
>  and
> .

Thanks for the belated info, anyway. But this doesn't seem to apply here. No 
crypto fs and no problem with mkinitrd at all. It didn't happen with all the 
earlier updates, just this one, and there was no indication during the 
install that there was a problem. I just noticed it before reboot because I 
have to adjust the xen kernel line after each kernel upgrade.

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Devin Reade]

[I saw this thread in the mailing list archives, but wasn't subscribed
at the time, so sorry it's not a proper follow-up.]

The symptoms you describe could be a side effect of being previously hit by
 and
.

Those bug items describe workarounds.  After you get mkinitrd upgraded
to that in 5.3 the problem should go away, although you may have to 
manually fix up the results of the bad kernel install.

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Scott Silva]

on 4-7-2009 2:16 PM Robert spake the following:
> William L. Maltby wrote:
>> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>>   
>>> Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:29:31 -0500:
>>>
>>> 
 /etc/grub.conf should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf.  If for some 
 reason
 it is not, correct it, or look directly in /boot/grub/grub.conf and see if 
 the
 kernel was added there.
   
>>> Sorry, I was talking about /boot/grub/grub.conf. I wasn't aware that one 
>>> could 
>>> assume I was talking about /etc/grub.conf.
>>> 
>> Well, JIC, make sure yoyr /boot/grub entries look like this.
>>
>> ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]*
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 May  9  2008 /boot/grub/grub.conf ->
>> menu.lst
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1108 Apr  2 21:33 /boot/grub/menu.lst
>>
>> I'm not sure why it's set this way, probably some historical reason.
>>
>> I only mention because I don't even know which the update process
>> affects. If they aren't linked, I guess that might cause a problem.
>>   
> I have long been amazed at that relationship.  Mine is not the same as 
> yours. (CentOS 5.3 totally updated)
> 
> [r...@mavis download]# ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]* /etc/grub.conf
> -rw--- 1 root root 2378 Apr  2 15:07 /boot/grub/grub.conf
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   11 Aug  7  2008 /boot/grub/menu.lst ->
> ./grub.conf
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   22 Aug  7  2008 /etc/grub.conf ->
> ../boot/grub/grub.conf
> [r...@mavis download]#  
> 
> So, while menu.lst is the real file and  grub.conf  is a symlink to it 
> on your system, the opposite is true on mine. I have no idea how that 
> happened. I do know that when I do a manual edit, I don't go through a 
> "who's on first" routine. I just edit one of them and move on to the 
> next windmill.

That has been there since RedHat switched from lilo to grub. Either there was
some hard coded stuff they didn't want to mess with, or the anaconda team and
the grub conversion team didn't communicate very well. That had to be back at
least to RedHat 7.0, if not in the 6's.



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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

William L. Maltby wrote on Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:39:27 -0400:

> The installonlypkgs and installonly_limit keywords. The first, according
> to man yum.conf, defaults to kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem,
> kernel-enterprise, kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported and the latter to 3.

It seems to default to kernel* as I have clearly seen xen kernels 
announced for removal. All the yum.conf files are the same on my machines.
I lied about what I wrote about the kernels that got kept. It's always 5 
on the amchiens that have existed for some time. This fits with the 
installonly_limit = 5 in all yum.conf files. On the one machine with the 
problem it's 4 kernels, I think it hasn't reached more yet.
Anyway, it remains a mystery why grub.conf didn't get updated here. I will 
check again with next kernel ...

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

William L. Maltby wrote on Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:01:43 -0400:

> Hmmm... Maybe the *64 systems are different?

No, they are the same in this respect. I'm not seeing any difference.
There is a difference between systems (no matter which arch) when the 
/etc/grub.conf symlink got created.
On all my systems it seems to be identical in date with the grub files in 
/boot/grub which seems to be the date of installation. But on the system I 
have this problem it's some months later.


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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[William L. Maltby]

On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 01:43 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> William L. Maltby wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:52:04 -0400:
> 
> > AFAIK, my 5.3 is completely "box stock" in this area, and probably 98%
> > of others too. I have no /etc/grub*. 
> > 
> >$ ls -l /etc/grub*
> >ls: /etc/grub*: No such file or directory
> > 
> > I also checked my 4.6 Centos. It has the /boot/grub[mg]* relationship
> > reversed (menu.lst->grub.conf). I presume that's OK for 4.x as it is
> > also "as delivered" AFAIK.
> 
> Bill, there's definitely something wrong on *your* system. ;-) It should 
> be exactly as Robert has found it on his machine.

Well, at least you didn't spoil a perfectly good Friday for me. A
symlink is something I can do.

Hmmm... Maybe the *64 systems are different? I'm on a 686. A rpm -q
--filesbypkg grub doesn't show anything in /etc.  And an rpm -v --verify
grub looks ok too.

How much can I trust this stuff? The --verify shows /boot/grub but
nothing in the directory itself - no /boot/grub/menu.lst
or /boot/grub/grub.conf. And a --whatprovides on those two files claims
no package owns them.

I guess they are not delivered as part of the package, but constructed
during install.

> 
> Kai
> 

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[William L. Maltby]

On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 01:43 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:30:44 -0500:
> 
> > According to /sbin/new-kernel-pkg .. the file that actually gets updated on 
> > x86
> > and x86_64 systems is /boot/grub/grub.conf
> 
> And as I already mentioned in my first posting this file *got* touched. The 
> last 
> modified date got changed, but not the file itself. Comparing it with a file 
> on 
> another machine doesn't reveaL any obvious differences. Specifically, the 
> default 
> entry that should get used as a template is exactly the same, even with the 
> tabs, 
> only the root path is different.
> Comparing the /boot directories I recognize now that I have 3 kernels left on 
> a 
> machine where it worked, but 4 on the machine where grub.conf didn't get 
> updated.
> This is obviously not set in /etc/sysconfig/kernel. Is this a yum setting? I 
> remember there is configuration how many kernels to keep, but I can't  find 
> it.

/etc/yum.conf

The installonlypkgs and installonly_limit keywords. The first, according
to man yum.conf, defaults to kernel, kernel-smp, kernel-bigmem,
kernel-enterprise, kernel-debug, kernel-unsupported and the latter to 3.

> 
> Kai
> 

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

William L. Maltby wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:52:04 -0400:

> AFAIK, my 5.3 is completely "box stock" in this area, and probably 98%
> of others too. I have no /etc/grub*. 
> 
>$ ls -l /etc/grub*
>ls: /etc/grub*: No such file or directory
> 
> I also checked my 4.6 Centos. It has the /boot/grub[mg]* relationship
> reversed (menu.lst->grub.conf). I presume that's OK for 4.x as it is
> also "as delivered" AFAIK.

Bill, there's definitely something wrong on *your* system. ;-) It should 
be exactly as Robert has found it on his machine.

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:30:44 -0500:

> According to /sbin/new-kernel-pkg .. the file that actually gets updated on 
> x86
> and x86_64 systems is /boot/grub/grub.conf

And as I already mentioned in my first posting this file *got* touched. The 
last 
modified date got changed, but not the file itself. Comparing it with a file on 
another machine doesn't reveaL any obvious differences. Specifically, the 
default 
entry that should get used as a template is exactly the same, even with the 
tabs, 
only the root path is different.
Comparing the /boot directories I recognize now that I have 3 kernels left on a 
machine where it worked, but 4 on the machine where grub.conf didn't get 
updated.
This is obviously not set in /etc/sysconfig/kernel. Is this a yum setting? I 
remember there is configuration how many kernels to keep, but I can't  find it.

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Barry Brimer]

Quoting Robert :

> William L. Maltby wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> >
> >> Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:29:31 -0500:
> >>
> >>
> >>> /etc/grub.conf should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf.  If for some
> reason
> >>> it is not, correct it, or look directly in /boot/grub/grub.conf and see
> if the
> >>> kernel was added there.
> >>>
> >> Sorry, I was talking about /boot/grub/grub.conf. I wasn't aware that one
> could
> >> assume I was talking about /etc/grub.conf.
> >>
> >
> > Well, JIC, make sure yoyr /boot/grub entries look like this.
> >
> > ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]*
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 May  9  2008 /boot/grub/grub.conf ->
> > menu.lst
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1108 Apr  2 21:33 /boot/grub/menu.lst
> >
> > I'm not sure why it's set this way, probably some historical reason.
> >
> > I only mention because I don't even know which the update process
> > affects. If they aren't linked, I guess that might cause a problem.
> >
> I have long been amazed at that relationship.  Mine is not the same as
> yours. (CentOS 5.3 totally updated)
>
> [r...@mavis download]# ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]* /etc/grub.conf
> -rw--- 1 root root 2378 Apr  2 15:07 /boot/grub/grub.conf
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   11 Aug  7  2008 /boot/grub/menu.lst ->
> ./grub.conf
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   22 Aug  7  2008 /etc/grub.conf ->
> ../boot/grub/grub.conf
> [r...@mavis download]#
>
> So, while menu.lst is the real file and  grub.conf  is a symlink to it
> on your system, the opposite is true on mine. I have no idea how that
> happened. I do know that when I do a manual edit, I don't go through a
> "who's on first" routine. I just edit one of them and move on to the
> next windmill.

According to /sbin/new-kernel-pkg .. the file that actually gets updated on x86
and x86_64 systems is /boot/grub/grub.conf
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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[William L. Maltby]

> Since *lots* of other folks have also upgraded w/NP, one makes a first
> assumption that something must be slightly different on your node.

s/your/Kai's/  #?

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[William L. Maltby]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:16 -0500, Robert wrote:
> William L. Maltby wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> >   
> 

> >
> > Well, JIC, make sure yoyr /boot/grub entries look like this.
> >
> > ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]*
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 May  9  2008 /boot/grub/grub.conf ->
> > menu.lst
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1108 Apr  2 21:33 /boot/grub/menu.lst
> >
> > I'm not sure why it's set this way, probably some historical reason.
> >
> > I only mention because I don't even know which the update process
> > affects. If they aren't linked, I guess that might cause a problem.
> >   
> I have long been amazed at that relationship.  Mine is not the same as 
> yours. (CentOS 5.3 totally updated)

Ditto here.

> 
> [r...@mavis download]# ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]* /etc/grub.conf
> -rw--- 1 root root 2378 Apr  2 15:07 /boot/grub/grub.conf
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   11 Aug  7  2008 /boot/grub/menu.lst ->
> ./grub.conf
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   22 Aug  7  2008 /etc/grub.conf ->
> ../boot/grub/grub.conf
> [r...@mavis download]#  
> 
> So, while menu.lst is the real file and  grub.conf  is a symlink to it 
> on your system, the opposite is true on mine. I have no idea how that 
> happened. I do know that when I do a manual edit, I don't go through a 
> "who's on first" routine. I just edit one of them and move on to the 
> next windmill.

Two things. Probably doesn't make any difference, but we never should
assume.

AFAIK, my 5.3 is completely "box stock" in this area, and probably 98%
of others too. I have no /etc/grub*. 

   $ ls -l /etc/grub*
   ls: /etc/grub*: No such file or directory

I also checked my 4.6 Centos. It has the /boot/grub[mg]* relationship
reversed (menu.lst->grub.conf). I presume that's OK for 4.x as it is
also "as delivered" AFAIK.

It *does* have an /etc/grub.conf->../boot/grub/grub.conf

So I'm guessing your is left over from an update from 4.x->5.x? But
again, I don't have any information that this would affect anything.

I thought they would be worth mentioning only because mine has upgraded
trouble-free (one exception back when sqllite(?) needed to be upgraded
before the normal one) from 5.0->5.3. I did do the glibc thing first,
which should not have an effect on this I guess.

Since *lots* of other folks have also upgraded w/NP, one makes a first
assumption that something must be slightly different on your node.

> 

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Robert]

William L. Maltby wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>   
>> Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:29:31 -0500:
>>
>> 
>>> /etc/grub.conf should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf.  If for some 
>>> reason
>>> it is not, correct it, or look directly in /boot/grub/grub.conf and see if 
>>> the
>>> kernel was added there.
>>>   
>> Sorry, I was talking about /boot/grub/grub.conf. I wasn't aware that one 
>> could 
>> assume I was talking about /etc/grub.conf.
>> 
>
> Well, JIC, make sure yoyr /boot/grub entries look like this.
>
> ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 May  9  2008 /boot/grub/grub.conf ->
> menu.lst
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1108 Apr  2 21:33 /boot/grub/menu.lst
>
> I'm not sure why it's set this way, probably some historical reason.
>
> I only mention because I don't even know which the update process
> affects. If they aren't linked, I guess that might cause a problem.
>   
I have long been amazed at that relationship.  Mine is not the same as 
yours. (CentOS 5.3 totally updated)

[r...@mavis download]# ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]* /etc/grub.conf
-rw--- 1 root root 2378 Apr  2 15:07 /boot/grub/grub.conf
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   11 Aug  7  2008 /boot/grub/menu.lst ->
./grub.conf
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   22 Aug  7  2008 /etc/grub.conf ->
../boot/grub/grub.conf
[r...@mavis download]#  

So, while menu.lst is the real file and  grub.conf  is a symlink to it 
on your system, the opposite is true on mine. I have no idea how that 
happened. I do know that when I do a manual edit, I don't go through a 
"who's on first" routine. I just edit one of them and move on to the 
next windmill.



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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[William L. Maltby]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 21:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:29:31 -0500:
> 
> > /etc/grub.conf should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf.  If for some 
> > reason
> > it is not, correct it, or look directly in /boot/grub/grub.conf and see if 
> > the
> > kernel was added there.
> 
> Sorry, I was talking about /boot/grub/grub.conf. I wasn't aware that one 
> could 
> assume I was talking about /etc/grub.conf.

Well, JIC, make sure yoyr /boot/grub entries look like this.

ls -l /boot/grub/[gm]*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 May  9  2008 /boot/grub/grub.conf ->
menu.lst
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1108 Apr  2 21:33 /boot/grub/menu.lst

I'm not sure why it's set this way, probably some historical reason.

I only mention because I don't even know which the update process
affects. If they aren't linked, I guess that might cause a problem.

> 
> Kai
> 

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

Lincohn john wrote on Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:49:17 -0700 (PDT):

> Well, you can always manually
> edit the grub.conf file, right?

sure, but it should work automatically. And did on all the other upgrades.

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

Barry Brimer wrote on Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:29:31 -0500:

> /etc/grub.conf should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf.  If for some 
> reason
> it is not, correct it, or look directly in /boot/grub/grub.conf and see if the
> kernel was added there.

Sorry, I was talking about /boot/grub/grub.conf. I wasn't aware that one could 
assume I was talking about /etc/grub.conf.

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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[lincohn john]

I just updated kernel manually last evening: that is, directly using rpm and it 
did update the grub.conf. Well, you can always manually edit the grub.conf 
file, right?

BTW: I managed to install 5.3 on the very first generation MAC PRO (xeon 2.66, 
XT1900) last weekend with old kernel: I took a detour in order to install it 
directly from CD iso. The system Hung several times and the DVD rom was NOT 
recognized. However, after updated to the newest kernel last evening, the DVD 
ram recognized and it did NOT hang any more: at least for about 6 hours. 

Cheers!
Lincong

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> Subject: Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf
> To: "CentOS mailing list" 
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:17 AM
> 
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:35 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> > Just updated another machine to 5.3, everything fine,
> but grub.conf wasn't 
> > updated to the 128 kernel. It got a new modified date
> and the kernel is 
> > there, but the content wasn't changed.
> /etc/sysconfig/kernel contains the 
> > correct UPDATEDEFAULT=yes
> > No errors in logs or during the update. No problem to
> boot with this 
> > kernel once added.
> > This is the first time I ever see this happen.
> > Any clues?
> > 
> > Kai
> > 
> 
> This happened to me the other day when that kernel came
> out. "init"
> would not reload on the kernel update and yum stalled.
> 
> I had reboot into the old kernel rpm -e the 128 kernel and
> yum update
> kernel again and all was fine. I do have to say this
> machine was memory
> limited and swapping on update bad.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Barry Brimer]

Quoting JohnS :

>
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:35 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> > Just updated another machine to 5.3, everything fine, but grub.conf wasn't
> > updated to the 128 kernel. It got a new modified date and the kernel is
> > there, but the content wasn't changed. /etc/sysconfig/kernel contains the
> > correct UPDATEDEFAULT=yes
> > No errors in logs or during the update. No problem to boot with this
> > kernel once added.
> > This is the first time I ever see this happen.
> > Any clues?
> >
> > Kai

/etc/grub.conf should be a symlink to /boot/grub/grub.conf.  If for some reason
it is not, correct it, or look directly in /boot/grub/grub.conf and see if the
kernel was added there.
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Re: [CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[JohnS]

On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:35 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Just updated another machine to 5.3, everything fine, but grub.conf wasn't 
> updated to the 128 kernel. It got a new modified date and the kernel is 
> there, but the content wasn't changed. /etc/sysconfig/kernel contains the 
> correct UPDATEDEFAULT=yes
> No errors in logs or during the update. No problem to boot with this 
> kernel once added.
> This is the first time I ever see this happen.
> Any clues?
> 
> Kai
> 

This happened to me the other day when that kernel came out. "init"
would not reload on the kernel update and yum stalled.

I had reboot into the old kernel rpm -e the 128 kernel and yum update
kernel again and all was fine. I do have to say this machine was memory
limited and swapping on update bad.

johnStanley

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[CentOS] kernel update doesn't update grub.conf

[Kai Schaetzl]

Just updated another machine to 5.3, everything fine, but grub.conf wasn't 
updated to the 128 kernel. It got a new modified date and the kernel is 
there, but the content wasn't changed. /etc/sysconfig/kernel contains the 
correct UPDATEDEFAULT=yes
No errors in logs or during the update. No problem to boot with this 
kernel once added.
This is the first time I ever see this happen.
Any clues?

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