Re: [CentOS] question on sending mail with 5.2

2008-09-13 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Luke S Crawford wrote:
 considering just how many people use greylisting, this is likely a 
 bad idea.Greylisting works by rejecting the first message from a new
 server with a 4xx (temporary) error code.   If the server tries again
 immediately or never tries again, it's probably a spammer.  If the server
 waits a reasonable period of time (say, 30 minutes) and then re-sends the
 mail,  it's probably legit, and the greylist program puts that server on the 
 whitelist so mail from that server goes through right away next time.
 
 Many people set things up such that if you try again immediately, you get
 put on a blacklist, as you are probably a spammer.  

I really don't understand why people just don't turn off their mailservers if 
they 
don't want mail from others.

Ralph

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Re: [CentOS] question on sending mail with 5.2

2008-09-13 Thread Luke S Crawford
Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I really don't understand why people just don't turn off their mailservers if 
 they 
 don't want mail from others.


Most of us have come close.I get north of 500 spams a day unprotected.
I've been using the same email since '01.  I know many others have it worse
than I do.  

At that point, there is no choice about loosing mail.   When sorting that by
hand (and I have)  I delete a significant amount of good mail.  The automated
filters usually do much better than this human when you have 10 spams for every
legitimate mail.  

Rejecting mail from mailservers that don't follow the generally accepted
best practices, I think, is completely reasonable.  It gets rid of a whole
lot of spam, and  the rules are pretty simple and easy to follow, so I think
it is completely reasonable to ask people who run mailservers to put in a 
little effort to setup things like rdns, and to make sure they don't do things
like retry once a minute.

what if my mailserver was rejecting with a 4xx because it was overloaded?
retrying every minute would certainly not help things.  


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RE: [CentOS] question on sending mail with 5.2

2008-09-13 Thread Bob Hoffman
 
 
  I really don't understand why people just don't turn off their 
  mailservers if they don't want mail from others.
 
 
 Most of us have come close.I get north of 500 spams a day 
 unprotected.
 I've been using the same email since '01.  I know many others 
 have it worse than I do.  
 


I got my first website address in 1997. I almost got bob.com, but
networksolutions would not give it to me even though it was expired for a
year. Microsoft legal even offered to network solutions to let it go..but
they would not send the fax.
It should have been mine.
I spent a week calling about it to microsoft and left a message to a 'top
guy'. The next day it was suddendly given to the guy who owns it now. A
'friend' of microsofts.

Anyway...back on the topic.
My email has been the same forever.
On the old server I could, after filtering, get upwards of 2000 mails a day.
Not all junk mail is filterable due to work and stuff.

I just did my centos though..new server, updated the spam stuff...down to
less than 100 a day.
It is like being reborn.

So, it is possible with a heavliy used email address to weed out a lot of
junk through centos and spam assassin indeed.
I was highly impressed.

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[CentOS] question on sending mail with 5.2

2008-09-12 Thread Jerry Geis

I made a little file with a From:, To: and body.
I execute the command cat file.txt | sendmail -t -O MinQueueAge=1m

thinking that the message would try every minute to send instead of the 
default 30m. (if the initial attempt failed of course).


This doesnt seem to have any effect?

In the event I have an important email and I want it try perhaps every 
minute (1minute)

to send the email how do I accomplish this from the sendmail command line?

Thanks,

jerry
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Re: [CentOS] question on sending mail with 5.2

2008-09-12 Thread Luke S Crawford
Jerry Geis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 In the event I have an important email and I want it try perhaps every
 minute (1minute)
 to send the email how do I accomplish this from the sendmail command line?

considering just how many people use greylisting, this is likely a 
bad idea.Greylisting works by rejecting the first message from a new
server with a 4xx (temporary) error code.   If the server tries again
immediately or never tries again, it's probably a spammer.  If the server
waits a reasonable period of time (say, 30 minutes) and then re-sends the
mail,  it's probably legit, and the greylist program puts that server on the 
whitelist so mail from that server goes through right away next time.

Many people set things up such that if you try again immediately, you get
put on a blacklist, as you are probably a spammer.  

(that said, the answer to your question is what you did with -q1m   But
you probably don't want to do it.)
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