Re: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen

2008-07-16 Thread Marc Grimme
On Tuesday 15 July 2008 22:34:56 Victor Padro wrote:
 Does anyone has implemented this sucessfully?

 I am asking this because we are implementing Xen on our test lab machines,
 which they hold up to three 3com and intel Nics 10/100mbps based.

 These servers are meant to replace MS messaging and intranet webservers
 which holds up to 5000 hits per day and thousands of mails, and probably
 the Dom0 could not handle this kind of setup with only one 100mbps link,
 and could not afford changing all the networking hardware to gigabit, at
 least not yet.

 Any pointers perhaps?
Just go the normal way. As long as you are not using VLANs on top of bonds the 
default bridgescripts should do just fine.
Before starting with using a bond as no active/backup configuration I urge you 
to read and understand the bonding.txt from the kernel-source:
http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt or just
websearcch: bonding.txt
The problem is not to configure the bonding on a linux-machine but to get the 
network setup right (Etherchannel, LACP, one switch or multiple switches, 
etc.) and know what to expect from which setup. 

And last but not least human communication between network guys and os-guys.

That are the biggest problem with bonding in my experience.

-marc.

 Greetings from Mexico.


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RE: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen

2008-07-16 Thread Anthony Kamau
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 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen
 
 
 We're not using windows under Xen, we're trying to get rid of M$(reducing
 licensing fees mostly).

Pray tell, what are you replacing Exchange with?  My end users are dependent
on Exchange for calendaring but organization is becoming more and more anti
MS and it won't be long before they decide enough is enough, especially
being that some savvy users refused to upgrade to Vista and are now using
CentOS as their preferred desktop.  These savvy users are software
developers who were previously using XP and multiple PuTTY sessions to get
the job done!

Cheers,
AK.


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Re: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen

2008-07-16 Thread Lars Schelde
 From: Anthony Kamau
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Victor Padro
  Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2008 8:34 AM
  To: CentOS mailing list
  Subject: Re: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen
 
 
  We're not using windows under Xen, we're trying to get rid of
M$(reducing
  licensing fees mostly).
 
 Pray tell, what are you replacing Exchange with?  My end users are
dependent
 on Exchange for calendaring but organization is becoming more and more
anti
 MS and it won't be long before they decide enough is enough, especially
 being that some savvy users refused to upgrade to Vista and are now using
 CentOS as their preferred desktop.  These savvy users are software
 developers who were previously using XP and multiple PuTTY sessions to get
 the job done!

I am currently testing Sun Java Communications Suite 5 on Centos 5.2
http://www.sun.com/software/communications_suite/index.xml
which seems to be a good alternative for Exchange. There is a free Outlook
connector
and the documentation is very good.
Its free, if you don't need technical support.
 

Regards
Lars


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Re: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen

2008-07-15 Thread Luke S Crawford
Victor Padro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Does anyone has implemented this sucessfully?

I have not used bonding with xen, but once you have a bonded interface in the 
Dom0 it should be trivial.  setup your bonded interface as usual, then in
/etc/xend-config.sxp where it says (network-script network-bridge) 
set it to

(network-script 'network-bridge netdev=bond0')

it should just work.


 These servers are meant to replace MS messaging and intranet webservers
 which holds up to 5000 hits per day and thousands of mails, and probably the
 Dom0 could not handle this kind of setup with only one 100mbps link, and
 could not afford changing all the networking hardware to gigabit, at least
 not yet.


100Mbps is a whole lot of bandwidth for a webserver unless you are serving 
video or large file downloads or something. 100Mbps is enough to choke a
very powerful mailserver, nevermind exchange.

I suspect that if you are using windows on Xen, disk and network I/O to and
from the windows DomU will be a bigger problem than network speeds.  Are
you using the paravirtualized windows drivers?  without them, network and
disk IO is going to feel pretty slow in windows, no matter how fast the
actual network or disk is.  
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Re: [CentOS] Bonding and Xen

2008-07-15 Thread Victor Padro
 I have not used bonding with xen, but once you have a bonded interface in
 the
 Dom0 it should be trivial.  setup your bonded interface as usual, then in
 /etc/xend-config.sxp where it says (network-script network-bridge)
 set it to

 (network-script 'network-bridge netdev=bond0')

 it should just work.


Somewhere I read that a while ago...will make notes about that, thank you.

100Mbps is a whole lot of bandwidth for a webserver unless you are serving
 video or large file downloads or something. 100Mbps is enough to choke a
 very powerful mailserver, nevermind exchange.


Webservers are used to upload video and audio conferences and even stream
them across the LAN and access SugarCRM to download/view reports, etc.
If we use only one M$ exchange server sometimes gets bottlenecked with all
those kinds of mails sent. avi's mpeg's videos, wav's, mp3's, excel and
powerpoint docs, etc.
But we have 2 backups that can handle all just fine, so we're trying to
replace them with a Xen cluster based on Centos and postfix.


 I suspect that if you are using windows on Xen, disk and network I/O to and
 from the windows DomU will be a bigger problem than network speeds.  Are
 you using the paravirtualized windows drivers?  without them, network and
 disk IO is going to feel pretty slow in windows, no matter how fast the
 actual network or disk is.


We're not using windows under Xen, we're trying to get rid of M$(reducing
licensing fees mostly).
We use CentOS for SugarCRM and Debian for DNS, but want to use CentOS for
everything if we could.

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