RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alain Terriault  scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM:

How do you mean big sophisticated setup? 

I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice 
when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just 
curious on why you think like you do. 8-)


 Hi Harry,
 
 Has much has I like Centos and RH for big sophisticated setup, it would
 not be my first choice for your project.
 
 For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time,
 Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME).
 
 For me CentOS x64 is #1 choice for enterprise (+500 users with Terabytes
 of storage ) sever solution.
 If you have little experience configuring a RH server, get ready to
 spend lots of time getting everything going as nicely as Clarkconnect
 does it.
 
 For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.
 
 cheers,
 alain
 
 Harry Sukumar wrote:
 
 Hello All!!!
 
 I was wondering if you can help me little bit….
 
 I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school
 (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab
 infrastructure, it’s a very remote school and they don’t have enough funds
 to go commercial 
 
 The school has only till grade 6
 
 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but
 none of the machines come with windows
 
 I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure
 currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected
 
 I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I
 presume will be done some time this week
 
 I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server
 
 Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this
 project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and
 system administration world 
 
 Currently what’s in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and
 CentOS5 as my server with following services configured
 
 Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through)
 
 Firewall
 
 Apache
 
 Squirrel mail
 
 DNS
 
 DHCP
 
 I am not sure where to start with this project
 
 Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never
 even touched a computer before in there life!!!
 
 --
 
 Many Thanks
 
 Harry
 
 
 
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
 This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a
 non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy
 and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?


Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all
an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)

Matt

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Matt Hyclak wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
  This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a
  non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy
  and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
 
 Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all
 an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)

I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out
retort.

Ralph


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread David Williams



 Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were)
 all
 an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)



Safty first...
http://www.psychologymatters.org/solomon.html


...and not all trees are green in the spring and summer. ;)
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread John Plemons
Given the cost and ease of setup, CentOS is a great choice, using one of 
the machines as a server and the other as clients. CentOS is very 
robust, and can be configured for one machine to hundreds, so to ear 
mark it as only a Enterprise package is wrong, and no there isn't a 
great deal of setup involved.  With the tools that come with the package 
a working server can easily be configured and running in a afternoon, so 
the task isn't all that tough.  Plus you have the wealth of the CentOS 
community to help if you get in trouble.


That's my nickels worth, you can keep the extra three cents...

john plemons






Ralph Angenendt wrote:

Alain Terriault wrote:
  
For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time,  
Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be 
SME).


[...]
  

For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.



For trees my favourite color is green, while for fire engines it is red.

This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a
non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy
and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?

Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those
are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow?
Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on
CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them - Vendor Lock-In. 


Ralph
  



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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:22:03PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
 Matt Hyclak wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
   This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a
   non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy
   and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
  
  Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all
  an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
 
 I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out
 retort.

Someone had to :-)

If it makes you feel any better, it looks like they've switched back to Red.

Matt

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread MHR
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Matt Hyclak wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
  This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a
  non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy
  and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?

 Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all
 an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)

 I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out
 retort.

 Ralph


Well, you know that he has two strikes against him, now: yours and the
fact that he's from Columbus

mhr
(18 year resident of Ann Arbor, MI.  ;^)
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread MHR
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Alain Terriault  scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM:

 How do you mean big sophisticated setup?

 I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice 
 when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, 
 just curious on why you think like you do. 8-)



'ear, 'ear!

I dabbled in Linux for nine years, including a six month
semi-concerted effort to use SuSE/Novell Linux (for which I paid $40),
none of which did it for me.  CentOS, in one month, impressed me
enough to spend almost $400 to upgrade my primary home desktop
hardware so I could install CentOS and run a Windows VMWare guest on
it, and I've never been more delighted with a small system with huge
capabilities.  It was (and is) easy to install and easy to manage, and
the only real trouble I've had with the system has come from other,
non-CentOS related areas (including all the things that I thought were
CentOS problems...).

Them's my $0.03 (inflation, y'know...).

mhr
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread John R Pierce

MHR wrote:

Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly
west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were,
in fact, painted yellow.  It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright
as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school
buses with sirens.  I haven't seen any in a while, although there are
some white ones, too.
  


they were incredibly bright electric yellow-green around here for 
awhile... I remember CDF trucks painted that color in the 70s, anyways.

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RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Alain Terriault, Mr.
Little substance .. I have live and still working system with .. 

- Centos with +100 users, ldap (LAM), sendmail (or postfix), web, samba,
netatalk, dhcp .. all with certificates on a bunch of dell 1950 and
MD1000. Because it is scalable, stable 24/7 and for 100 users+ worth all
the time spending configuring it. The only problem with this setup are
kernel updates.. the only time I bring down the servers ;-)

- Clarkconnect (or SME) for small lab, because it is all done in 30
minutes and then you can easily give a miniadmin access to the lab
manager. They make nice, small, safe effective Gateway or server. 
They are not a sysadmin (shell) playing ground, 95% of the work is done
from the web interface, a little bit like webmin. Clark is commercial
but inexpensive and well supported. SME is free, but the config system
looks to much like the old Netinfo system from NextStep .. bring back
bad memory.

Try Clark, if it not what you are looking for, go with CentOS or RH they
are very stable and effective OS for server. It will require you more
time to get it all working properly. 
Sure you can install and create accounts in /etc/passwd in minutes ..
but if you want all the goodies and security (SSL, email, sasl, LDAP,
backup, raid ..) you are in for lots of fun (work).

- Workstations, Fedora or Ubuntu .. because I like having the most
up2date versions and goodies on my desktop for free. 

RedHat has nice educational discount, if I remember $50/workstation and
$200/server

Bonne chance,
alain





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 Behalf Of Ralph Angenendt
 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:08 AM
 To: centos@centos.org
 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
 
 Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those
 are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow?
 Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based)
 on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them - Vendor
Lock-
 In.
 
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 09:53:29AM -0700, MHR enlightened us:
  Matt Hyclak wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
   This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a
   non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy
   and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
 
  Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) 
  all
  an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
 
  I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out
  retort.
 
  Ralph
 
 
 Well, you know that he has two strikes against him, now: yours and the
 fact that he's from Columbus
 
 mhr
 (18 year resident of Ann Arbor, MI.  ;^)

My wife's family is primarily from West Virginia, so Ann Arbor has two
strikes against it: the fact that it's Ann Arbor and Rich Rodriguez ;-)

I suppose that's off topic for here, though...

Matt

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RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Sorin Srbu
I realise linux distros are rather a religious matter where each 
individual/user/sysadmin/whatever think that their particular distro is the 
best. 8-)

With that said, in my case, chosing CentOS was actually a no-brainer, as our 
department had already settled with RHEL3/4 for application reasons years ago. 
Furthermore, since CentOS is a binary compatible with RHEL, and looks and feel 
the same (minus the RHEL-logos), it's also easy to test things out with a free 
OS first.

I however really started out with Fedora Core for a short while, but was 
flustered with the fast update-schedule. Anyway, I don't even know or remember 
how I found out about CentOS, only that I felt this strange rush, much like 
when 
you put a nice well-worn-in suit or something and it doesn't chafe anywhere. I 
never bothered looking for another distro after finding CentOS.

I even installed it for the beloved mother after I found a potential rootkit on 
her WinXP Home Ed-machine. I had had it at that point... After installing 
CentOS5 for her, I applied the Redmond theme and let her play around for a bit 
with it. Worked like a charm. The hd died on her machine a few months back so I 
reinstalled it for her again, this time w/o the Redmond theme, and it still 
works like a charm for her.

From a user-perspective, if a 50ish-year-old woman with no interest in OS:es 
(or 
anything IT for that matter) can use CentOS without a hitch, then neither 
should 
anybody else. It just works, which I rather like, to put it mildly... If there 
ever was a linux-success story, this is the one.

[advocate mode]If you like CentOS, please buy a RHEL entitlement whenever 
possible. Remember, if there is no RHEL, there won't be a CentOS either, and 
CentOS is too good to loose.[/advocate mode]

That's my 3 oere. 8-)


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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Alain Terriault  scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM:

 How do you mean big sophisticated setup?

 I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice 
 when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, 
 just 
 curious on why you think like you do. 8-)



'ear, 'ear!

I dabbled in Linux for nine years, including a six month
semi-concerted effort to use SuSE/Novell Linux (for which I paid $40),
none of which did it for me.  CentOS, in one month, impressed me
enough to spend almost $400 to upgrade my primary home desktop
hardware so I could install CentOS and run a Windows VMWare guest on
it, and I've never been more delighted with a small system with huge
capabilities.  It was (and is) easy to install and easy to manage, and
the only real trouble I've had with the system has come from other,
non-CentOS related areas (including all the things that I thought were
CentOS problems...).

Them's my $0.03 (inflation, y'know...).

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RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Sorin Srbu
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)


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MHR wrote:
 Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly
 west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were,
 in fact, painted yellow.  It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright
 as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school
 buses with sirens.  I haven't seen any in a while, although there are
 some white ones, too.
   

they were incredibly bright electric yellow-green around here for 
awhile... I remember CDF trucks painted that color in the 70s, anyways.



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RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Sorin Srbu wrote:

 
 Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
 

God, and that included my kitchen floor!

-Ross

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread MHR
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ross S. W. Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorin Srbu wrote:

 Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)

 God, and that included my kitchen floor!


Okay, where did you get those AWESOME drugs?  I want some

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Toby Bluhm

Sorin Srbu wrote:

Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)

  


Throw in a little brown and you've described a tie-dyed shirt I wore in 
high school.


Just the other day my wife and I were looking at our old neighborhood 
with google street view. Unfortunately, some places have really gone 
downhill since then.



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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Ralph Angenendt
William L. Maltby wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:22 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
  I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out
  retort.
 
 Retort? I could've sworn it was a troll. ;- 

Na, no troll. 

 The reply stating a favorite was an opinion, possibly useful to the OP
 if he investigated.  As a suggestion, the poster had no obligation to
 offer supporting facts, evidence, research, etc.

Sorry, there is one thing I really don't like: Giving out advice without
telling why. Because it is really useless for the guy who got that
advice. Why should he follow down that path? Why was he given that
advice? Is there really a reason to put some research time into that
advice?

 In this regard, it was no different than *many* other opinions on many
 topics offered on the list that don't support a suggestion with rigorous
 analytical processes. And as usual, the OP can request more info or
 google.

Yes. Opinions. Opinions are good, but should be backed up - and not only
when you're queried why you have that opinion.

 And FYI, I've seen yellow and green fire trucks somewhere in the several
 places I've lived. And trees that are red (redwoods in northern
 California).

Good thing  I live in Europe :)

Cheers,

Ralph


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]

2008-06-11 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Alain Terriault, Mr. wrote:

Okay, I can see where you are getting with Clarkconnect and SME. That
really might be easier for people who aren't into administrating
servers.

 - Workstations, Fedora or Ubuntu .. because I like having the most
 up2date versions and goodies on my desktop for free. 

But this contradicts what you said above. If you want hasslefree
administration for the one or two servers, you don't want to lose that
on a desktop which you have to update at least once a year and where
updates can give you headaches because something major changed.

Giving out stable Desktops is one of the things where CentOS really
shines. And: These Desktops are for research and work, not for having
the latest and greatest software. 

Ralph


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