Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On 19/10/12 02:36, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:00:54PM +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
On 18/10/12 21:18, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 04:10:32PM -0400, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:59PM -0600, Zube wrote:
On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote:
That doesn't look good ...
No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver.
but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1.
Confirmed.
FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and
64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the
older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if
the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3.
I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver.
but I'm using 290.10, and have been for a few months. it just now
started doing this. very strange.
So, I reinstalled the same Nvidia driver (290.10) and now FF 16.0.1
works! Go figure. I guess some file may have gotten hosed, somehow.
The reason is that the NVIDIA installer overwrites some distro files
with it's own version of some libs, in this case the offending file is
/usr/lib{64}/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
So you install the nvidia drivers and everything works just fine, for
months.
Then last week an update was released for xorg-x11-server-Xorg which in
turn re-overwrites the nvidia lib with the distro lib and you see the
error you reported earlier along with the symptoms you describe.
Then you reinstalled the nvidia drivers which of course over wrote the
newly updated distro version of libglx.so (again) and everything was
back working as before.
that all makes perfect sense, except,... why did everything ELSE
still work? (I admit to not having tried any of the GL screensaver
demos, or any high-end GL games...)
Only applications using OpenGL would be affected.
If you want to test for yourself, try running 'glxgears'.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Friday, October 19, 2012 05:44:14 AM Ned Slider wrote: On 19/10/12 02:36, fred smith wrote: that all makes perfect sense, except,... why did everything ELSE still work? (I admit to not having tried any of the GL screensaver demos, or any high-end GL games...) Only applications using OpenGL would be affected. If you want to test for yourself, try running 'glxgears'. GoogleEarth is another good test case, as it stresses the driver pretty hard. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 01:19:45PM -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, October 19, 2012 05:44:14 AM Ned Slider wrote: On 19/10/12 02:36, fred smith wrote: that all makes perfect sense, except,... why did everything ELSE still work? (I admit to not having tried any of the GL screensaver demos, or any high-end GL games...) Only applications using OpenGL would be affected. If you want to test for yourself, try running 'glxgears'. GoogleEarth is another good test case, as it stresses the driver pretty hard. yup, it sure does. However I didn't think of it being only a GL problem until afterr I had already reinstalled Nvidia stuff. but I imagine it's pretty likely that any of those proggies would have tripped over the same problem. -- --- Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. --Roger Ebert, December, 1996 - The Boulder Pledge - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
fred smith wrote: This just started happening this evening. a little history: way back last year, or thereabouts, I posted about a weird problem I was having. over the course of 2 or 3 days I figured out how to fix it, but not what the cause was. the fix amounts to navigating to my user's .local/share/mime directory and removing the file named globs. So, back in the present: this evening that same problem recurred for the 3rd or 4th time since the original event mentioned above. so I deleted that file, logged off and back on (without the log off/on, the problem still occurs). Having done that, I went to fire up firefox and KABOOM!! X dies and I land back at a login prompt. several times. every time. tried running firefox from a terminal but I don't see anything echoed to the terminal before it is blown away. I still have the tarball from mozilla.org, so I moved aside the directory where the firefox runtime stuff is, re-extracted the tarball and it still croaks in the same way. I'd appreciate some ideas to try, if anyone has any. Thanks in advance! Are there any backtraces/errors in /var/log/Xorg.*.log* or /var/log/gdm/* ? James Pearson ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 08:37:41PM -0400, fred smith wrote: This just started happening this evening. I *don't* have the issue on x86_64 and nvidia-kmod drivers here. Maybe you can tell us more about your X setup. Tru -- Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance) http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xBEFA581B pgpXUWOYTi7vl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:59:16AM +0100, James Pearson wrote: fred smith wrote: This just started happening this evening. a little history: way back last year, or thereabouts, I posted about a weird problem I was having. over the course of 2 or 3 days I figured out how to fix it, but not what the cause was. the fix amounts to navigating to my user's .local/share/mime directory and removing the file named globs. So, back in the present: this evening that same problem recurred for the 3rd or 4th time since the original event mentioned above. so I deleted that file, logged off and back on (without the log off/on, the problem still occurs). Having done that, I went to fire up firefox and KABOOM!! X dies and I land back at a login prompt. several times. every time. tried running firefox from a terminal but I don't see anything echoed to the terminal before it is blown away. I still have the tarball from mozilla.org, so I moved aside the directory where the firefox runtime stuff is, re-extracted the tarball and it still croaks in the same way. I'd appreciate some ideas to try, if anyone has any. Thanks in advance! Are there any backtraces/errors in /var/log/Xorg.*.log* or /var/log/gdm/* ? Oh yes. DUH. Of course. sorry, senior moment causing me to completely blank out on the thought of looking at logs. FWIW, Firefox 14 works fine one of the Xorg.stuff logs, dated late yesterday, contains this backtrace at the end: Backtrace: 0: /usr/bin/Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c9461] 1: [0x845420] 2: /lib/libc.so.6(cfree+0x34) [0x71e8c4] 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so(_mesa_free+0x1d) [0x22f88d] 4: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so(XMesaDestroyVisual+0x1d) [0x37fa5d] 5: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so [0x34d952] 6: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so(__glXResetScreens+0x37) [0xf8c217] 7: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [0xf8b45c] 8: /usr/bin/Xorg(CloseDownExtensions+0x46) [0x8097856] 9: /usr/bin/Xorg(main+0x49f) [0x807091f] 10: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xdc) [0x6cae9c] 11: /usr/bin/Xorg(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x205) [0x806fc01] Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting in another posting in this thread, Tru Hyunh asked about the general X setup. Vanilla Centos 5.8 except it's using a recent Nvidia driver to run a GeForce 9800GT card. (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-290.10). Other info, I don't know what would be helpful. I'll paste in here the contents of the X.org log file from which the backtrace above came, in case that might be helpful. Or, ask any specific question and I'll try to answer. X Window System Version 7.1.1 Release Date: 12 May 2006 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-53.el5 i686 Red Hat, Inc. Current Operating System: Linux fcshome.stoneham.ma.us 2.6.18-308.16.1.el5PAE #1 SMP Tue Oct 2 22:49:17 EDT 2012 i686 Build Date: 04 October 2012 Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.1.1-48.91.el5_8.2 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Wed Oct 17 20:49:08 2012 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) ServerLayout single head configuration (**) |--Screen Screen0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor0 (**) | |--Device Videocard0 (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (==) FontPath set to: unix/:7100, built-ins (==) RgbPath set to /usr/share/X11/rgb (**) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules (==) Max clients allowed: 512, resource mask: 0xf (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.3 X.Org Video Driver: 1.0 X.Org XInput driver : 0.6 X.Org Server Extension : 0.3 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.5 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: bitmap (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libbitmap.so (II) Module bitmap: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 7.1.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.5 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: pcidata (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libpcidata.so (II)
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
fred smith wrote: in another posting in this thread, Tru Hyunh asked about the general X setup. Vanilla Centos 5.8 except it's using a recent Nvidia driver to run a GeForce 9800GT card. (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-290.10). first thing i'ld do is update the nvidia driver, and I recommend switching to the elrepo packages for that. Is your centos 5 up-to-date? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
fred smith wrote: Other info, I don't know what would be helpful. I'll paste in here the contents of the X.org log file from which the backtrace above came, in case that might be helpful. Or, ask any specific question and I'll try to answer. (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter problems, Please try (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. That doesn't look good ... James Pearson ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 07:19:10PM +0100, James Pearson wrote: fred smith wrote: Other info, I don't know what would be helpful. I'll paste in here the contents of the X.org log file from which the backtrace above came, in case that might be helpful. Or, ask any specific question and I'll try to answer. (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter problems, Please try (EE) Oct 17 20:49:08 NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. That doesn't look good ... No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver. but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen. - Jude 1:24,25 (niv) - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote: That doesn't look good ... No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver. but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1. Confirmed. FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and 64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3. I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver. Zube ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:59PM -0600, Zube wrote: On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote: That doesn't look good ... No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver. but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1. Confirmed. FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and 64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3. I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver. but I'm using 290.10, and have been for a few months. it just now started doing this. very strange. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. --- Romans 5:8 (niv) -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 04:10:32PM -0400, fred smith wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:59PM -0600, Zube wrote: On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote: That doesn't look good ... No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver. but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1. Confirmed. FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and 64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3. I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver. but I'm using 290.10, and have been for a few months. it just now started doing this. very strange. So, I reinstalled the same Nvidia driver (290.10) and now FF 16.0.1 works! Go figure. I guess some file may have gotten hosed, somehow. At around the same time I got a notice from mdadm that my raid array had thrown out one of the pair of drives, so I suppose it's possible that the drives were out of sync when that happened. doesn't seem too likely, though, since that Nvidia driver has been in place for several months. neverthelss, FF is now working (and I just ordered a new drive from newegg to fix up the RAID array) :( :( -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. --- Romans 5:8 (niv) -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On 18/10/12 21:18, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 04:10:32PM -0400, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:59PM -0600, Zube wrote:
On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote:
That doesn't look good ...
No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver.
but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1.
Confirmed.
FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and
64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the
older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if
the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3.
I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver.
but I'm using 290.10, and have been for a few months. it just now
started doing this. very strange.
So, I reinstalled the same Nvidia driver (290.10) and now FF 16.0.1
works! Go figure. I guess some file may have gotten hosed, somehow.
The reason is that the NVIDIA installer overwrites some distro files
with it's own version of some libs, in this case the offending file is
/usr/lib{64}/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
So you install the nvidia drivers and everything works just fine, for
months.
Then last week an update was released for xorg-x11-server-Xorg which in
turn re-overwrites the nvidia lib with the distro lib and you see the
error you reported earlier along with the symptoms you describe.
Then you reinstalled the nvidia drivers which of course over wrote the
newly updated distro version of libglx.so (again) and everything was
back working as before.
The solution is not to use the NVIDIA provided binary drivers but
instead to use the same drivers properly packaged by elrepo for your
distro. The elrepo rpm package installs these libs to a separate
directory where they will not conflict with the original distro libs and
you will void this type of mess. Not to mention you don't need to
reinstall the drivers every time there is a new kernel update.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On 10/18/2012 05:00 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
On 18/10/12 21:18, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 04:10:32PM -0400, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:59PM -0600, Zube wrote:
On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote:
That doesn't look good ...
No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver.
but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1.
Confirmed.
FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and
64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the
older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if
the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3.
I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver.
but I'm using 290.10, and have been for a few months. it just now
started doing this. very strange.
So, I reinstalled the same Nvidia driver (290.10) and now FF 16.0.1
works! Go figure. I guess some file may have gotten hosed, somehow.
The reason is that the NVIDIA installer overwrites some distro files
with it's own version of some libs, in this case the offending file is
/usr/lib{64}/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
So you install the nvidia drivers and everything works just fine, for
months.
Then last week an update was released for xorg-x11-server-Xorg which in
turn re-overwrites the nvidia lib with the distro lib and you see the
error you reported earlier along with the symptoms you describe.
Then you reinstalled the nvidia drivers which of course over wrote the
newly updated distro version of libglx.so (again) and everything was
back working as before.
The solution is not to use the NVIDIA provided binary drivers but
instead to use the same drivers properly packaged by elrepo for your
distro. The elrepo rpm package installs these libs to a separate
directory where they will not conflict with the original distro libs and
you will void this type of mess. Not to mention you don't need to
reinstall the drivers every time there is a new kernel update.
I highly recommend using the elrepo NVIDIA drivers ... Its easy and it
has always just worked for me.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu Oct 18 11:00:54 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
The reason is that the NVIDIA installer overwrites some distro files
with it's own version of some libs, in this case the offending file is
/usr/lib{64}/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
OK, that makes sense. Further testing showed the problem here to
be dependent on whether the machine was rebooted and the new NVIDIA
drivers installed before or after xorg-x11-server-Xorg was installed.
The solution is not to use the NVIDIA provided binary drivers but
instead to use the same drivers properly packaged by elrepo for your
distro. The elrepo rpm package installs these libs to a separate
directory where they will not conflict with the original distro libs and
you will void this type of mess. Not to mention you don't need to
reinstall the drivers every time there is a new kernel update.
Very good. Thank you.
Cheers,
Zube
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:00:54PM +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
On 18/10/12 21:18, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 04:10:32PM -0400, fred smith wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:59PM -0600, Zube wrote:
On Thu Oct 18 03:43:40 PM, fred smith wrote:
That doesn't look good ...
No, it doesn't. Perhaps I need to reinstall the Nvidia driver.
but it's weird that everything seems to just work except for FF 16.0.1.
Confirmed.
FF 16.0.1 from the mozilla site crashes X on CentOS 5.8 32-bit and
64-bit if the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed (304.51). If the
older drivers (295.71) are used, it seems to be OK. It's also OK if
the NVIDIA drivers are not used. Also seems to be OK on CentOS 6.3.
I haven't tried older revisions of the 304 series driver.
but I'm using 290.10, and have been for a few months. it just now
started doing this. very strange.
So, I reinstalled the same Nvidia driver (290.10) and now FF 16.0.1
works! Go figure. I guess some file may have gotten hosed, somehow.
The reason is that the NVIDIA installer overwrites some distro files
with it's own version of some libs, in this case the offending file is
/usr/lib{64}/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
So you install the nvidia drivers and everything works just fine, for
months.
Then last week an update was released for xorg-x11-server-Xorg which in
turn re-overwrites the nvidia lib with the distro lib and you see the
error you reported earlier along with the symptoms you describe.
Then you reinstalled the nvidia drivers which of course over wrote the
newly updated distro version of libglx.so (again) and everything was
back working as before.
that all makes perfect sense, except,... why did everything ELSE
still work? (I admit to not having tried any of the GL screensaver
demos, or any high-end GL games...)
The solution is not to use the NVIDIA provided binary drivers but
instead to use the same drivers properly packaged by elrepo for your
distro. The elrepo rpm package installs these libs to a separate
directory where they will not conflict with the original distro libs and
you will void this type of mess. Not to mention you don't need to
reinstall the drivers every time there is a new kernel update.
I'm sure this is a good idea. but I've been doing it this way for
soo long that I tend to not think of it until I've already done
it the old-fashioned way. (we get set in our ways when we get old! :) )
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 5.8: starting firefox-16.0.1 kills X [updated]
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 08:37:41PM -0400, fred smith wrote: This just started happening this evening. a little history: way back last year, or thereabouts, I posted about a weird problem I was having. over the course of 2 or 3 days I figured out how to fix it, but not what the cause was. the fix amounts to navigating to my user's .local/share/mime directory and removing the file named globs. So, back in the present: this evening that same problem recurred for the 3rd or 4th time since the original event mentioned above. so I deleted that file, logged off and back on (without the log off/on, the problem still occurs). Having done that, I went to fire up firefox and KABOOM!! X dies and I land back at a login prompt. several times. every time. tried running firefox from a terminal but I don't see anything echoed to the terminal before it is blown away. I still have the tarball from mozilla.org, so I moved aside the directory where the firefox runtime stuff is, re-extracted the tarball and it still croaks in the same way. Trying to start firefox in safemode makes no difference. still instant death. I'd appreciate some ideas to try, if anyone has any. Thanks in advance! In the meantime, Opera works (though I can't install 12.0.2 for lack of a suitable version of rpmlib, so I'm not left browseerless. Fred -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. -- Matthew 7:21 (niv) - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- --- .Fred Smith / ( /__ ,__. __ __ / __ : / // / /__) / / /__) .+' Home: fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us // (__ (___ (__(_ (___ / :__ 781-438-5471 Jude 1:24,25 - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
