Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On Jun 21, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: On 06/19/2010 08:58 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: agree. Karanbir, you used to say that community is about those people who help the community and not about those who use the community. ihmo Dag is one of those the made most for this community. I don't see how any of that is even remotely relevant here. And of all the people, Dag is one person I know will understand that. Furthermore, I have much regard and respect for all the work that Dag does. But that has no relevance to the issue here. Not expecting this list to be turned into a mass announcement list isnt a bad target imho. Besides, I would say the same thing irrespective of who it was. Ummm, shouldn't the fact that this work replaces/supercedes stuff that the centos project started and abandoned have some bearing here? That is, there are very good reasons for it to be relevant to this audience regardless of the personalities involved. I think all parties have a valid point. One, the list can't let every repo out there post an announcement about the availability of every package out there as the list will turn into an announcements list which is not what it is intended for. Two, these are valuable announcements that the EL community should be able to see as it directly affects their environments. What I propose is to have repos batch their announcements into a change log of packages updated since the last announcement (including pointers to the repo where detailed info can be found) and post no more then once a month or so. Something along those lines would be acceptable and once agreed upon it should be added to the list's acceptable use guidelines. -Ross ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 06/19/2010 08:58 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: agree. Karanbir, you used to say that community is about those people who help the community and not about those who use the community. ihmo Dag is one of those the made most for this community. I don't see how any of that is even remotely relevant here. And of all the people, Dag is one person I know will understand that. Furthermore, I have much regard and respect for all the work that Dag does. But that has no relevance to the issue here. Not expecting this list to be turned into a mass announcement list isnt a bad target imho. Besides, I would say the same thing irrespective of who it was. Ummm, shouldn't the fact that this work replaces/supercedes stuff that the centos project started and abandoned have some bearing here? That is, there are very good reasons for it to be relevant to this audience regardless of the personalities involved. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On 06/19/2010 06:24 AM, Whit Blauvelt wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 03:20:13AM +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: But you are still making repeated announcements about packages here - I dont want to see every repo or development unit out there posting emails here for feedback about every component they built. Please keep things in perspective, Mr. Singh. This was no announcement about a single component. It was about a large program for building kernel modules - something that can be useful to many here. Might one dare to say that Dag's many contributions to the community give him status as high as your own? It would be better for all of us if respect were given where it has been earned, and if guests of Dag's stature were honored, especially when the show up bringing large gifts. agree. Karanbir, you used to say that community is about those people who help the community and not about those who use the community. ihmo Dag is one of those the made most for this community. -- Levente Si vis pacem para bellum! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 19/06/2010 02:32, Dag Wieers wrote: We are not sending every announcement to the CentOS list, that should be apparent from looking at the ELRepo lists (where actual announcements are being posted in more detail). But you are still making repeated announcements about packages here - I dont want to see every repo or development unit out there posting emails here for feedback about every component they built. As I said already, many projects have made a one time announcement, which is fine as long as we don't get too many projects jumping in. If that becomes a proble, we would need to reconsider that as well. Anyway, keep the elrepo posts away from this list, just as every other project is requested to not spam this list with repeated posts. Hi Karanbir, Not sure what was not clear from my previous email, but both mails were in fact one time emails looking for feedback. I also stressed that we don't do this for every package we build, nor are we planning to. If you want to continue this discussion, I invite you to do this on the ELRepo mailinglist. The original email asked for feedback using our own support channels to prevent off-topic discussions on this mailinglist. And this is my last 'spam' in this thread ;-) -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On 06/19/2010 08:58 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: agree. Karanbir, you used to say that community is about those people who help the community and not about those who use the community. ihmo Dag is one of those the made most for this community. I don't see how any of that is even remotely relevant here. And of all the people, Dag is one person I know will understand that. Furthermore, I have much regard and respect for all the work that Dag does. But that has no relevance to the issue here. Not expecting this list to be turned into a mass announcement list isnt a bad target imho. Besides, I would say the same thing irrespective of who it was. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
Hi Dag, On 18/06/2010 09:12, Dag Wieers wrote: I would like to announce a set of OCFS2 kABI-tracking kernel module packages for RHEL5, Scientific Linux 5 and CentOS-5 and kernels. Can you please stop spamming this list ? A one time announcement here was plenty. Perhaps setup an announcement list for elrepo ? - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 18/06/2010 09:12, Dag Wieers wrote: I would like to announce a set of OCFS2 kABI-tracking kernel module packages for RHEL5, Scientific Linux 5 and CentOS-5 and kernels. Can you please stop spamming this list ? A one time announcement here was plenty. Perhaps setup an announcement list for elrepo ? Well, this is hardly spam. We are actively seeking feedback on both the DRBD and OCFS2 packages from users and since it is related to CentOS it makes sense to ask the CentOS list too. It is a coincidence that we are doing that for 2 packages in 3 days. We are not sending every announcement to the CentOS list, that should be apparent from looking at the ELRepo lists (where actual announcements are being posted in more detail). -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
Karanbir Singh wrote: Hi Dag, On 18/06/2010 09:12, Dag Wieers wrote: I would like to announce a set of OCFS2 kABI-tracking kernel module packages for RHEL5, Scientific Linux 5 and CentOS-5 and kernels. Can you please stop spamming this list ? A one time announcement here was plenty. Perhaps setup an announcement list for elrepo ? I don't see this as spamming at all. He's announcing the availability of various major packages specific to the EL community, The announcement a few days ago was for DRBD. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 02:26:16AM +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: Can you please stop spamming this list ? A one time announcement here was plenty. Perhaps setup an announcement list for elrepo ? Unless I am missing posts this was a a one-time announcement; Dag posted a very similar one recently about DRBD. Personally, I'd like to continue to see these announcements here. John -- I want a government small enough to fit inside the Constitution. -- DownsizeDC.org co-founder Harry Browne (1933-2006) pgp2xX20aydR2.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On 19/06/2010 02:37, John R Pierce wrote: I don't see this as spamming at all. He's announcing the availability of various major packages specific to the EL community, The announcement a few days ago was for DRBD. Do you really want to see all repos announce every package they build on the CentOS lists ? I dont. And thats not what this list is meant for either. An occasional announcement is fine - many people have done that, but sending every package announcement down here isnt. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On 19/06/2010 02:49, John R. Dennison wrote: Unless I am missing posts this was a a one-time announcement; Dag posted a very similar one recently about DRBD. Personally, I'd like to continue to see these announcements here. I am sure elrepo are able to put up an announcement list, and you are welcome to join that list. This list isnt elrepo-announce. We don't even announce CentOS packages here. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On 19/06/2010 02:32, Dag Wieers wrote: We are not sending every announcement to the CentOS list, that should be apparent from looking at the ELRepo lists (where actual announcements are being posted in more detail). But you are still making repeated announcements about packages here - I dont want to see every repo or development unit out there posting emails here for feedback about every component they built. As I said already, many projects have made a one time announcement, which is fine as long as we don't get too many projects jumping in. If that becomes a proble, we would need to reconsider that as well. Anyway, keep the elrepo posts away from this list, just as every other project is requested to not spam this list with repeated posts. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Kernel independent OCFS2 packages for RHEL, Scientific Linux and CentOS
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 03:20:13AM +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: But you are still making repeated announcements about packages here - I dont want to see every repo or development unit out there posting emails here for feedback about every component they built. Please keep things in perspective, Mr. Singh. This was no announcement about a single component. It was about a large program for building kernel modules - something that can be useful to many here. Might one dare to say that Dag's many contributions to the community give him status as high as your own? It would be better for all of us if respect were given where it has been earned, and if guests of Dag's stature were honored, especially when the show up bringing large gifts. Regards, Whit ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
