Re: [CentOS-docs] ArtWork - How to collaborate

2008-09-12 Thread Marcus Moeller
Dear Alain.

> Don't know what you exactly want to mean with 'have access to test
> DOMs, so it's not necessary to set up local installations' . Local
> installation of what ?
>
> DOMs = Document Object Models ?

Nope, I mean a virtual machine instance containing a copy of the
live-site (or a sample $LANG subsite).

>> I am not sure on that, yet. If we are planning to use Trac, the wiki
>> page should just link to it (as Trac does include a wiki, too). Afaik
>> livecd is almost happening on Trac.
>
> Well, don't know if correct but, wiki.centos.org is for general
> documentation, trac would be used to document specificities of each
> project.

Okay, but what is 'general' concerning CentOS Artwork? If you want to
use Trac, we should move the existing docs from wiki.centos.org to the
Trac wiki and link there.

It does not make sense to keep nearly the same content on two different places.

>> the $LANG sites, where
>> it's not yet clear (to me) what is going to happen or already
>> happening but kept secret.
>
> Actually afaik, to get $LANG sites is need a common design, something
> that fits what we have on the wiki, trac, and recently in mantis. To
> do that the application proposed was Puntal. Personally, I tried to
> reach http://www.puntal.fr and my DNS couldn't resolved the related IP
> address of that site. Have any of you the same situation ?

I am not familiar with punBB/Puntal (yet) but the Puntal.fr site is
definitely down (take a look at http://puntal.sourceforge.net ). There
are also some styles online at: www.punres.org which may be used as a
starting point.

Best Regards
Marcus
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Re: [CentOS-docs] ArtWork - How to collaborate

2008-09-12 Thread Alain Reguera Delgado
On 9/12/08, Marcus Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Alain.
...
> Currently, most of the work is done by yourself. You have setup test
> systems and are working on projects like Mantis design (and maybe
> re-design of the main page)
>
> So it's hard to get involved besides suggestions and comments.

Even suggestions and comments are very very very helpful actions, what
is needed to get people involved beyond that ?

>>   1. Mailing lists: Introduce and discuss your ideas (in CentOS-devel
>> list.).
>
> I would personally prefer a seperate Artwork ML where technical
> details can be discussed. Results could still be announced on -devel.

That is probably into the developers' plans.

>>   2. Artwork svn repository: Add your ideas.
>
> We should keep all updates in SVN. This would make things much easier
> (even to decide who is working on which parts).

I'm agree.

> It would also be great
> if SIG members could have access to test DOMs, so it's not necessary
> to set up local installations.

Don't know what you exactly want to mean with 'have access to test
DOMs, so it's not necessary to set up local installations' . Local
installation of what ?

DOMs = Document Object Models ?

>>   3. Artwork Trac instance: Browse changes friendly, document
>> changes, submit tickets ...
>
>> at the end of http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork page. Are they the right
>> steps to follow? Is that page the right place for that ?
>
> I am not sure on that, yet. If we are planning to use Trac, the wiki
> page should just link to it (as Trac does include a wiki, too). Afaik
> livecd is almost happening on Trac.

Well, don't know if correct but, wiki.centos.org is for general
documentation, trac would be used to document specificities of each
project.

...

> Here is step 4:
>
> We need to set up something like a timeline or a plan. There are
> several projects going on atm like Mantis or

Definitely. Does the work done at the moment could help on building a
timeline or plan for actual and further works ? and is something
missing to complete the needed parts of the distribution redesign.

> the $LANG sites, where
> it's not yet clear (to me) what is going to happen or already
> happening but kept secret.

Actually afaik, to get $LANG sites is need a common design, something
that fits what we have on the wiki, trac, and recently in mantis. To
do that the application proposed was Puntal. Personally, I tried to
reach http://www.puntal.fr and my DNS couldn't resolved the related IP
address of that site. Have any of you the same situation ?

Cheers,
al.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] ArtWork - How to collaborate

2008-09-12 Thread Marcus Moeller
Dear Alain.

> What do you think of adding some verbose about how to collaborate on
> ArtWork ? Actually I put the following:

Currently, most of the work is done by yourself. You have setup test
systems and are working on projects like Mantis design (and maybe
re-design of the main page)

So it's hard to get involved besides suggestions and comments.

> Collaborate

That would be great ;)

> If you want to help, the following resources are available:

>   1. Mailing lists: Introduce and discuss your ideas (in CentOS-devel list.).

I would personally prefer a seperate Artwork ML where technical
details can be discussed. Results could still be announced on -devel.

>   2. Artwork svn repository: Add your ideas.

We should keep all updates in SVN. This would make things much easier
(even to decide who is working on which parts). It would also be great
if SIG members could have access to test DOMs, so it's not necessary
to set up local installations.

>   3. Artwork Trac instance: Browse changes friendly, document
> changes, submit tickets ...

> at the end of http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork page. Are they the right
> steps to follow? Is that page the right place for that ?

I am not sure on that, yet. If we are planning to use Trac, the wiki
page should just link to it (as Trac does include a wiki, too). Afaik
livecd is almost happening on Trac.

Therefore Trac is one of the things that needs to be de-uglyfied, too.

The advantage of the Wiki is that it already integrates well in the
existing .org world. Trac pages are hard to find, Trac URLs are not
easy to remember (yet) and the Tracs are not announced clearly on the
main site.

Here is step 4:

We need to set up something like a timeline or a plan. There are
several projects going on atm like Mantis or the $LANG sites, where
it's not yet clear (to me) what is going to happen or already
happening but kept secret.

Best Regards
Marcus
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[CentOS-docs] ArtWork - How to collaborate

2008-09-12 Thread Alain Reguera Delgado
Hi,

What do you think of adding some verbose about how to collaborate on
ArtWork ? Actually I put the following:

-
Collaborate

If you want to help, the following resources are available:

   1. Mailing lists: Introduce and discuss your ideas (in CentOS-devel list.).
   2. Artwork svn repository: Add your ideas.
   3. Artwork Trac instance: Browse changes friendly, document
changes, submit tickets ...
-

at the end of http://wiki.centos.org/ArtWork page. Are they the right
steps to follow? Is that page the right place for that ?

Cheers,
al.
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