[CentOS-docs] FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess

2010-05-21 Thread Phil Schaffner
Just updated the subject page

http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess

based on Karanbir's comment on centos-devel:

http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2010-May/005545.html

Is there better material available to replace the erroneous content, or 
should the page be removed?

Phil

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Re: [CentOS-docs] FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess

2010-05-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
Hi,

On 05/21/2010 03:41 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 Just updated the subject page

 http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess


There is nothing wrong with the process mentioned on that page - its 
just not the one being used in CentOS anymore. So adapting the title and 
the headings on that page should be a good start. Specially important is 
that the overall gist of what is going on is correct ~ rebuilding 
packages, compare to upstream and push it out.

- KB
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Re: [CentOS-docs] FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess

2010-05-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 05/21/2010 04:46 PM, Alan Bartlett wrote:
 So, assuming you have overruled both Johnny and Russ, will you please
 make the one being used in CentOS known to the rest of the world.

Think about it for a second, you don't feel that process's are changable 
? Would you like to point me to where it says that what we were doing at 
one stage will never ever change ? I havent overruled anyone there, just 
pointed out that content on there no longer reflects the process - 
however, the gist of the article is still correct.

 I trust your wording above, and hence the implicit message, was an
 error. I was lead to believe, after the Lance Davis affair of last
 summer, that there would be no more secrecy or any unilateral
 decisions made by one person.

Given that you are not a part of the team that handles buildsystem 
issues, what made you think that any of these process's were down to 
only one person ?

- KB
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[CentOS-docs] FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess

2010-05-21 Thread R P Herrold
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Alan Bartlett wrote:

 error. I was lead to believe, after the Lance Davis affair of last
 summer, that there would be no more secrecy or any unilateral
 decisions made by one person.

... you know, it is gratuitious cruft and attempts at 
'triangulation' like this that really causes me to dislike 
the acrions of some people in this project

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_(psychology)

No one of authority has led you to believe anything on that 
topics of 'no more secrecy or any unilateral decisions made by 
one person' so far as I know, and comments like this are 
simply out of scope here

-- Russ herrold
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Re: [CentOS-docs] FAQ/General/RebuildReleaseProcess

2010-05-21 Thread Phil Schaffner
Karanbir Singh wrote on 05/21/2010 12:54 PM:
 Hi,
 
 On 05/21/2010 05:30 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 OK, thanks - but begs the question - What is the current process?
 
 I published this a while back : 
 http://www.karan.org/stuff/c5-release-plan.jpeg ; which if you look at - 
 reflects the same goals and ideas as whats on the wiki page, but uses a 
 slightly different process. That image, again, no longer reflects the 
 release process anymore - we made loads of changes to how we do things 
 for 5.5, some of which paid off while others didn't. So I can imagine 
 things are going to change again for 5.6 etc.

I do remember seeing that graphic before, and I understand that the 
build process is a moving target.  It would still be of value for 
educational purposes, for community relations, for people who want to 
create custom variants on the distro, and as a warm fuzzy to potential 
CentOS corporate/institutional users for insurance purposes, to have 
the current process openly available.

 And its important we reflect that on the wiki page. Whats on the page is 
 accurate in terms of what we are doing, its just not how we do we do it, 
 and its not going into the process at all.
 
 For now, I'd recommend changing the title of the page to something along 
 the lines of 'The CentOS Build plan'. Which would, imho, better reflect 
 the content under there.

I'll have another look at the page in view of these comments.

Thanks,
Phil

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