Re: [CentOS-docs] http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaRuntimeEnvironment

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Schaffner
Manuel Wolfshant wrote on 08/15/2011 12:53 PM:
 On 08/15/2011 06:42 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
...
 I'd go for a separate page for
 HowTos/JavaDevelopmentKit but could be persuaded otherwise.

 Then maybe a single Howto/Java page, with separate links to JRE and JDK ?

Makes sense, and I would propose that would replace the current content 
on http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaOnCentOS - which begs the questions:

1. What else besides links goes on the higher-level page?

2. What should be preserved, if anything, from the current page?

Phil
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Re: [CentOS-docs] http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaRuntimeEnvironment

2011-08-18 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 08/18/2011 03:21 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 Manuel Wolfshant wrote on 08/15/2011 12:53 PM:
 On 08/15/2011 06:42 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 ...
 I'd go for a separate page for
 HowTos/JavaDevelopmentKit but could be persuaded otherwise.

 Then maybe a single Howto/Java page, with separate links to JRE and JDK ?
 Makes sense, and I would propose that would replace the current content
 on http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaOnCentOS
My thoughts exactly !


   - which begs the questions:

 1. What else besides links goes on the higher-level page?
Explanation on the intent of the page


 2. What should be preserved, if anything, from the current page?
maybe the how to create your own packages by using the old .nosrc.rpm 
from jpackage part. the rest would be obsoleted.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaRuntimeEnvironment

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Schaffner
Manuel Wolfshant wrote on 08/18/2011 08:26 AM:
 On 08/18/2011 03:21 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
...
 1. What else besides links goes on the higher-level page?
 Explanation on the intent of the page


 2. What should be preserved, if anything, from the current page?
 maybe the how to create your own packages by using the old .nosrc.rpm
 from jpackage part. the rest would be obsoleted.

Sounds good to me.  Now if someone could just get a Round Tuit!

Phil
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[CentOS-docs] http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaRuntimeEnvironment

2011-08-18 Thread R P Herrold
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Manuel Wolfshant wrote:

 Makes sense, and I would propose that would replace the current content
 on http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaOnCentOS

 My thoughts exactly !

I am missing something ... a review of google inlinks 
indicates this page is widely referenced by third party sites. 
Casually blowing this away without preserving at least parts 
seems ill considered change for its own sake

The top part by me remains a general and valid description of 
a method for getting Oracle's / Sun Java running ... not 
perhaps the easiest in light of some later changes, and 
perhaps not the 'ight' solution in light of the growth in 
maturity of openjdk ... but that

The bottom remains a rotting trainwreck needing maintenance 
every time Oracle issues an update ... shocking.  Who could 
have predicted that?

-- Russ herrold
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Re: [CentOS-docs] http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaRuntimeEnvironment

2011-08-18 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
On 08/18/2011 05:52 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Manuel Wolfshant wrote:

 Makes sense, and I would propose that would replace the current content
 on http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/JavaOnCentOS
 My thoughts exactly !
 I am missing something ... a review of google inlinks
 indicates this page is widely referenced by third party sites.
 Casually blowing this away without preserving at least parts
 seems ill considered change for its own sake
We are not blowing it away. It will remain the land point which will 
further reference JRE and JDK. Although, now that I started to fill in 
the JDK page, I am tempted to join them. But we should discuss that once 
we have more info to play with in the wiki . For now I am trying to 
bring the new JDK page to life ( and refine the JRE one)
 The top part by me remains a general and valid description of
 a method for getting Oracle's / Sun Java running ... not
 perhaps the easiest in light of some later changes, and
 perhaps not the 'ight' solution in light of the growth in
 maturity of openjdk ... but that
The top part written by you is exactly what we'll refine.
The last round of packages from Oracle are quite sane. You download a 
$STUFF.bin, run it and
- it will ask to agree to the license
- expand into a bunch of rpm packages:
jdk-6u27-linux-i586.rpm
sun-javadb-client-10.6.2-1.1.i386.rpm
sun-javadb-common-10.6.2-1.1.i386.rpm
sun-javadb-core-10.6.2-1.1.i386.rpm
sun-javadb-demo-10.6.2-1.1.i386.rpm
sun-javadb-docs-10.6.2-1.1.i386.rpm
sun-javadb-javadoc-10.6.2-1.1.i386.rpm
- install all the packages ( if you have the needed rights)

What is still needed is a clean solution to add that to the alternatives 
system
 The bottom remains a rotting trainwreck needing maintenance
 every time Oracle issues an update ... shocking.  Who could
 have predicted that?

The old method to create several rpms from the tar bundle ( using 
jpackage's nosrc ) is completely obsolete.


rant mode on Did I mention that moinmoin's syntax is awful and I 
cannot believe I even thought about using it inside the company I work 
for ? /rant mode off
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