Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki Front Page.

2008-07-07 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Alan Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Whilst running my critical eye over the new front page of the wiki I
 noticed, in the first light-blue box:

 CentOS Planet is alive: Stay in touch with the CentOS community, take a look
 at CentOS Planet

 Planet CentOS or CentOS Planet, that is the question. D'oh.

It's Planet CentOS, just like all other Planet \w+ sites. I'll fix this ;).

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Re: [CentOS-docs] To have a new acces

2008-06-24 Thread Daniel de Kok
What? ;)

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:55 PM, aymeric derbois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have finished to translate the frontpage of the FAQ.
 Now I need a acces for translate this page
 http://wiki.centos.org/fr/FAQ/CentOS5

Since we have recursive permissions, you should be able to edit that
page if you can edit http://wiki.centos.org/fr/FAQ. What happens if
you use this URL (so, with '?action=edit' appended to the URL):

http://wiki.centos.org/fr/FAQ/CentOS5?action=edit

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Article for wiki consideration

2008-05-29 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Manuel Wolfshant wrote:
 vserver is quite popular, especially among debian admins and even among
 hosting companies, so I am very much in favor of publishing this article.

 Has anyone made contact with the admin / packager at the mentioned repo ?

Good question! I have just dropped him a note, and invited him to this
discussion.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Re: Opening of the Wiki - Part I

2008-05-29 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Ned Slider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That should block the vast majority of spam, shouldn't it?

On a Dutch forum we were dealing with a considerable amount of spam.
Most spam account creation/posting is done automatically through
scripts. So, we simply added an additional account creation field with
a verification question the can only be answered by humans, like:

Op welke dag is Kortjakje niet ziek? (On which day isn't Kortjakje ill?)

There is this Dutch children's rhyme/song that everyone knows, and
tells the story of Kortjakje, who is ill on every day except Sunday.
There must be a nice English equivalent :).

After this change there has been virtually no spam on the forum (I
think only once through an unrelated bug).

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the Wiki - Part I

2008-05-29 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:54 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Aggree..I would like for the Authors name and Co-Authored names to remain on
 the article they have written.

Since many people feel this is important, maybe we should. But I'd
propose to include a note somewhere on the Wiki that it is ok to
change 'someone else's pages', as long as it is an improvement, and
that major changes can be discussed on centos-docs.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Article for wiki consideration

2008-05-28 Thread Daniel de Kok
Hi Scott,

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Scott Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've recently documented simple use of a VServer with CentOS host and
 guest.  toracat@ said that it might be worthwhile putting on the wiki.

Hmmm, this requires a modified or a non-CentOS kernel. Do we really
want to start recommending such kernels?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Article for wiki consideration

2008-05-28 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Scott Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As I mentioned, I would begin the article with something similar to the
 beginning of the custom kernel article, with dire warnings.  However, if
 you and/or the other powers that be feel it is almost advocating
 something that has risks, I certainly understand that.

Well, if there is a lot of interest in having container-type of
virtualization. It might be interesting to see which of the various
alternatives (linux-vserver or openvz) looks best, and see if we can
provide it through e.g. the plus repository.

Of course, this would require a volunteer who is willing to maintain
such a set of patches against the kernel. But if someone is willing to
do this, it can profit from CentOS quality assurance, and guarantee
good compatibility with CentOS.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the Wiki - Part I

2008-05-19 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Akemi Yagi wrote:

 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-docs/2007-October/000734.html
 As you can see in that thread, placing a moderator's name on each page
 was opposed by a few core members of the CentOS team.  Then the
 discussion sort of died down.  I'd like to know, if the name(s) are
 hidden from the readers, assigning maintainers would be agreeable to
 them.  Any more thoughts or ideas?

 I dont understand why someone's name needs to be on the page, for them to be
 able to subscribe to the changelog for a page ?

I agree. I still agree with myself one year ago:

I can only agree. Even it is not the intention to keep people away,
people will feel like they have to consult with the author on every
edit. This works against the goal of wikis: providing complete, correct,
and understandable information.

I know that you are not proposing to have visible names, but I think
the same thing applies to ownership that is shown when a page is
edited. Other than that, page subscriptions should do the job fine?

And why can't the editors be responsible for all of the Wiki? I think
it is better if abuse is fixed by the first person who spots it,
rather than a special moderator.

I can't really see what purpose this proposal serves ;).

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Re: [CentOS-docs] FAQs

2008-05-17 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ned Slider wrote:

 Presumably it would be preferable if there was just one, and as the main
 site FAQs seem old, plus Akemi and I both have edit rights to the Wiki, we
 would propose to add missing content contained in the main site FAQs onto
 the Wiki page as necessary making this the most complete FAQ repository.

 Sounds like a good idea.

+1

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Helping translating...

2008-05-09 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Lester Espinosa Martínez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At the moment, the translation for this page is not available. In their
 place the page has been shown in English language.

This is the missing translation page plugin kicking in, add
'?action=edit' to the name of the page you want to edit. For instance:

http://wiki.centos.org/es/HowTos/KVM?action=edit

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Re: [CentOS-docs] CentOS wiki section for job postings?

2008-05-01 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  you dont want job postings to stay online for years do you ?

For some reason, I'd still prefer a centos-jobs list. It's simply the
geek's medium for communication ;). I like stuff being pushed to my
mailbox, rather than having to visit some site to keep up.

Many other projects also have a -jobs list, doesn't seem to be a problem there.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Doc for the Wiki

2008-04-09 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Akemi Yagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
  alternative methods to get the desired program/software.  There are,
  however, situations in which compiling from the source is the only
  way.  In this case, I will try to make sure the procedure does not
  touch any distro-provided files.

It seems plone is in RPMForge?
http://dries.ulyssis.org/apt/packages/plone/info.html

Maybe someone can help Dag and Dries updating this to the latest Plone?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] new translator

2008-03-22 Thread Daniel de Kok
Hi Nicolas,

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 11:37 AM, nicolas dolisy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I introduce myself quickly, my name is nicolas dolisy, I use fedora
  since 2003, and centos since last year.
  I write this mail because i want to contribute to the french translation
  of the Wiki. So if an admin can let me access to the french pages, it
  would be nice...

Could you provide some sample translations (e.g. for existing Wiki pages)?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki deuglification, last (at the moment) part

2007-11-21 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 17:36 +, Lance Davis wrote:
 On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
 
  Hey,
 
  one last change maybe - with the 3% padding on top and bottom, we really
  lose screen estate at the top.
 
  How does it look to you without any padding at top/bottom (leaving a
  10px white line there)? That's what's live on wiki-m.centos.org at the
  moment.
 
 Looks fine - I would do the same at the sides as well.

I am not sure. It is known from studies that people can only read
optimally up to a certain text width. Not that a fixed size is enforced
now, but the smaller relative width it has now, improves the readability
of longer texts.

*If* we want to fill up the sides, I think it is better to do that with
menus or some other content in the future.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Last Change for the css

2007-11-21 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 16:09 -0800, Akemi Yagi wrote:
 On Nov 21, 2007 3:58 PM, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey,
 
  Just joking. We already are live. See http://wiki.centos.org/.
 
  And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, show a big round of applause for Alain!
 
  Alain: Thank you in the name of the CentOS Team. Great work.
 
 Thank you, Alain and Ralph.  The CentOS wiki finally looks so professional.

Indeed, many thanks to both of you for making this happen!

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Re: [CentOS-docs] modern-CentOS-1.7-2

2007-11-16 Thread Daniel de Kok

On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 10:57 -0500, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
 On 11/16/07, Daniel de Kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 15:22 +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
   Daniel de Kok wrote:
How about renaming these a bit:
  
   Better?
 
  Very nice!
 
 Looks good ... but it breaks navibar when I access a page different
 from those listed in navibar :-\ ... does it happen to you too ?

That depends on the browser window width here. I've always found it
unintuitive that the page title/path is shown in the navibar. Maybe we
should think about leaving that out?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] modern-CentOS-1.7-2

2007-11-15 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 13:43 +0100, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
 Second:
 
 We still need to decide to which pages we link in the Navbar. Are any
 changes needed regarding the pages we have there at the moment? 

How about renaming these a bit:

GettingHelp - Help/Getting help
HowToContribute - Contributing/Contribute/How to contribute

(The normal Wiki syntax can be used in the Moin config.)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] GoogleAds on wiki.centos.org

2007-11-14 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 14:55 -0500, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
 There are some troubles with the two searchform variant, the version
 modern-CentOS-1.6-7 fix this by removing the searchform at bottom and
 just leaving the upper one.
 
 http://wiki.centos.org/FrontPageProposal?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=modern-CentOS-1.6-7.tar.gz
 
 What do you think ? would be convenient to have the searchform at bottom too ?

I haven't kept track of the full discussion, but I think this layout is
definitely an improvement over the current layout. Some comments:

- The tab color for the selected page doesn't match up nicely with 
  its background.
- I think a full-blown background for every heading within the page is
  not easy on the eyes. How about just a colored heading (with no
  background)?

Thanks for making this happen Alain!

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Re: CentOS Wiki Access [was Re: [CentOS-docs] need a TOC]

2007-09-27 Thread Daniel de Kok
Hi Phil,

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 1. Join the -docs list and offer to contribute something.
 2. Implement the contribution and respond to comments.
 3. Remain active for some probationary period, TBD.
 4. Request members Wiki access granting privileges to edit existing
 pages not explicitly protected and create new pages in public areas of
 the Wiki. [1]

Basically this has been the procedure, while there is a (sorta) 3.5 step: 
actively contribute to other parts of the Wiki as well. But I agree that 
we should be more generous in giving frequent contributors write access 
to public parts of the Wiki.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] SSH contribution?

2007-09-27 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Ned Slider wrote:
 Also, is it possible for any contributor to have a personal Wiki profile page
 or is this something restricted to more Senior Contributors/CentOS Devs?

AFAIK this doesn't require additional rights, just edit your own WikiName 
like this:

http://wiki.centos.org/YourWikiName?action=edit

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Clarification in HowTos/MigrationGuide page

2007-09-09 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 13:42 -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
 See where it says --- Although both can be used together --- .

Just for confirmation: they will work together, but it is generally a
bad idea, because one of the plugins override packages that the other is
supposed to protect. I agree that this page should be changed in this
respect.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Untranslated page redirection

2007-09-01 Thread Daniel de Kok
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:26:49PM -0400, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote:
 On 8/10/07, Daniel de Kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 14:50 +0200, Daniel de Kok wrote:
   will show the English page with a small message on top.
 
  I forgot to mention that if you'd like to have that message altered for
  your language, please send a translation of it to the list.
 
 Thanks Daniel ... here you have a Spanish translation for the
 redirection wiki message:
 
 ==
 Actualmente, la traducci?n para esta p?gina no se encuentra
 disponible. En su lugar se ha mostrado la p?gina en idioma Ingl?s.
 ==

Sorry for missing this, it should work now :).

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[CentOS-docs] Untranslated page redirection

2007-08-10 Thread Daniel de Kok
Hi all,

Just a heads-up: we have added the untranslated page redirection
plugin that was discussed on this list a while ago. This means pages
that are requested under a language prefix that don't exist, are
redirected to the English page if it does exist. For instance, there is
no Spanish translation for /HowTos/FreeNX yet, so visiting

http://wiki.centos.org/es/HowTos/FreeNX

will show the English page with a small message on top. People with edit
privileges in such contexts can create/edit a page by adding
'?action=edit' to the URL.

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