Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[JohnS]

On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 03:14 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
> JohnS wrote:
> >> John, you have to be root to run the rpm command to install any package 
> >> so this seems to be an invalid point anyway.
> > 
> > I know you have to be root to run it. How is it invalid? It is no way
> > invalid if there was a webmin-release rpm. It is to me a shorter way of
> > doing it if there was a release package for the repository. That's in my
> > opinion.
> 
> As I said "seems" to be invalid, my point was more that if you are 
> saying that the command is not good because:
---
Ahh, I think you misunderstood what I meant. No, I did not mean the
command was no good. If it would not have worked believe me you would
known from me it didn't. Sorry you got all confused...

John

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[Marcus Moeller]

Dear David.

>> Has someone even tried to contact the author if he could provide a
>> repository definition RPM?
>>
>
> Now this is a great idea :)
> Seems silly not to have checked thought of that... doh!
>
>
>> Btw., nearly the same process as described on the wiki is shown here:
>>
>> http://www.webmin.com/rpm.html
>
> Yes it does look vaguely familiar, without the method for actually
> creating the repo file of course. Just says "create the
> /etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo file".

Okay, everybody should be able to use a editor ;)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[David Dreggors]

Marcus Moeller wrote:

> Has someone even tried to contact the author if he could provide a
> repository definition RPM?
> 

Now this is a great idea :)
Seems silly not to have checked thought of that... doh!


> Btw., nearly the same process as described on the wiki is shown here:
> 
> http://www.webmin.com/rpm.html

Yes it does look vaguely familiar, without the method for actually 
creating the repo file of course. Just says "create the 
/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo file".
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[David Dreggors]

JohnS wrote:
>> John, you have to be root to run the rpm command to install any package 
>> so this seems to be an invalid point anyway.
> 
> I know you have to be root to run it. How is it invalid? It is no way
> invalid if there was a webmin-release rpm. It is to me a shorter way of
> doing it if there was a release package for the repository. That's in my
> opinion.

As I said "seems" to be invalid, my point was more that if you are 
saying that the command is not good because:

"a regular user can't copy and paste the above code and execute it 
unless they become root"

Then it "seems" an invalid point as you also have to be root to run the 
rpm install.


On the other hand, if I have read this wrong and what you are saying is 
the he needs to advise one to "become root" before running, then look 
above that command on the wiki page because he *does* state that point.

Again, "seems" invalid as a regular user must also become root to 
install the rpm.


If I have mis-read this then I am sorry but from what I am reading these 
are the possible points I take from the statement.

I do not mean to offend, I just still do not see the validity in that 
point.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Marcus Moeller]

Hi All,

>> > Alrighty, you asked you shall receive! Number one a regular user can't
>> > copy and paste the above code and execute it unless they become root.
>> > 2. I looked at the above code and said there is a better way to do that
>> > via using "wget http:\\ | rpm -Uvh webmin-release.rpm.
>> > 3. There is "NO" "Webmin Release" rpm so that will not happen. At least
>> > I did not find one at the webmin sight.
>> > 4. Is it not standard to have a yum release package in a yum repo? I
>> > thought it was.
>> > 5.In theory if the URL for the repo changes but guess what??? No
>> > webmin-release to reflect that change.
>> > 6. Now let me make this very clear. I am in no way saying it is a bad
>> > article. At least you are contributing something to the more advanced
>> > CentOS users.
>> >
>> > Questions?
>> Yes, where is #1? :)
>
> Number one; no 1. :-)
>
>> Also, as to not being able to run that code as a regular user...
>>
>> John, you have to be root to run the rpm command to install any package
>> so this seems to be an invalid point anyway.
>
> I know you have to be root to run it. How is it invalid? It is no way
> invalid if there was a webmin-release rpm. It is to me a shorter way of
> doing it if there was a release package for the repository. That's in my
> opinion.

Has someone even tried to contact the author if he could provide a
repository definition RPM?

Btw., nearly the same process as described on the wiki is shown here:

http://www.webmin.com/rpm.html

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[JohnS]

On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 02:33 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
> JohnS wrote:
> 
> > Alrighty, you asked you shall receive! Number one a regular user can't
> > copy and paste the above code and execute it unless they become root.
> > 2. I looked at the above code and said there is a better way to do that
> > via using "wget http:\\ | rpm -Uvh webmin-release.rpm.
> > 3. There is "NO" "Webmin Release" rpm so that will not happen. At least
> > I did not find one at the webmin sight.
> > 4. Is it not standard to have a yum release package in a yum repo? I
> > thought it was.
> > 5.In theory if the URL for the repo changes but guess what??? No
> > webmin-release to reflect that change. 
> > 6. Now let me make this very clear. I am in no way saying it is a bad
> > article. At least you are contributing something to the more advanced
> > CentOS users.
> > 
> > Questions?
> Yes, where is #1? :)

Number one; no 1. :-)

> Also, as to not being able to run that code as a regular user...
> 
> John, you have to be root to run the rpm command to install any package 
> so this seems to be an invalid point anyway.

I know you have to be root to run it. How is it invalid? It is no way
invalid if there was a webmin-release rpm. It is to me a shorter way of
doing it if there was a release package for the repository. That's in my
opinion.

> Bullet point 6... here here I second that motion. Great job and thanks. 
> While this info may seem trivial to the seasoned, a user that is 
> learning may find these steps invaluable.

Very true indeed. I agree.

> Forget that we are talking webmin or even repo's vs wget|rpm (all 
> learning points), the new user will learn a lot from just the mechanics 
> of this process and by seeing the command line in action!

Well, we sure hope HE/SHE will learn something from it.

JohnStanley

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[David Dreggors]

JohnS wrote:

> Alrighty, you asked you shall receive! Number one a regular user can't
> copy and paste the above code and execute it unless they become root.
> 2. I looked at the above code and said there is a better way to do that
> via using "wget http:\\ | rpm -Uvh webmin-release.rpm.
> 3. There is "NO" "Webmin Release" rpm so that will not happen. At least
> I did not find one at the webmin sight.
> 4. Is it not standard to have a yum release package in a yum repo? I
> thought it was.
> 5.In theory if the URL for the repo changes but guess what??? No
> webmin-release to reflect that change. 
> 6. Now let me make this very clear. I am in no way saying it is a bad
> article. At least you are contributing something to the more advanced
> CentOS users.
> 
> Questions?
Yes, where is #1? :)

Also, as to not being able to run that code as a regular user...

John, you have to be root to run the rpm command to install any package 
so this seems to be an invalid point anyway.



Bullet point 6... here here I second that motion. Great job and thanks. 
While this info may seem trivial to the seasoned, a user that is 
learning may find these steps invaluable.

Forget that we are talking webmin or even repo's vs wget|rpm (all 
learning points), the new user will learn a lot from just the mechanics 
of this process and by seeing the command line in action!
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[JohnS]

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 21:43 +0100, luc...@lastdot.org wrote:
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:58 PM, JohnS  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 22:44 +0400, Vladislav Rastrusny wrote:
> >> What RPM? WebMin RPM? That will make you loose repository automatical
> >> updates advantage.
> >>
> >> 2009/5/29 JohnS :
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 15:31 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
> >> >> Phil Schaffner wrote:
> >> >> > Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well 
> >> >> :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it
> >> >> executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
> >> >>
> >> >> Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
> >> >>
> >> >> Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >> (echo "[Webmin]
> >> >> name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
> >> >> baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
> >> >> enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
> >> >> rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
> >> >> yum -y install webmin)
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter...
> >> >> done!
> >> > 
> >> > Taht's a lil silly... Why not use wget http://url/..rpm then execute
> >> > the rpm to install it? All the code is nice for advanced users but it
> >> > needs to be else where. 50% of linux users out here don't know what
> >> > php-cli is...
> >> >
> >> > JohnStanley
> >> >
> > You did not bother to read the next mail I sent regarding this?
> 
> Well, I did and to be frank I did not understood what your problem is.
> Care to put it in a more human readable "format"?
---
Alrighty, you asked you shall receive! Number one a regular user can't
copy and paste the above code and execute it unless they become root.
2. I looked at the above code and said there is a better way to do that
via using "wget http:\\ | rpm -Uvh webmin-release.rpm.
3. There is "NO" "Webmin Release" rpm so that will not happen. At least
I did not find one at the webmin sight.
4. Is it not standard to have a yum release package in a yum repo? I
thought it was.
5.In theory if the URL for the repo changes but guess what??? No
webmin-release to reflect that change. 
6. Now let me make this very clear. I am in no way saying it is a bad
article. At least you are contributing something to the more advanced
CentOS users.

Questions?

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[luc...@lastdot.org]

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:58 PM, JohnS  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 22:44 +0400, Vladislav Rastrusny wrote:
>> What RPM? WebMin RPM? That will make you loose repository automatical
>> updates advantage.
>>
>> 2009/5/29 JohnS :
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 15:31 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
>> >> Phil Schaffner wrote:
>> >> > Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
>> >> >
>> >> > Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
>> >> >
>> >> I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it
>> >> executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
>> >>
>> >> Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
>> >>
>> >> Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> (echo "[Webmin]
>> >> name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
>> >> baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
>> >> enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
>> >> rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
>> >> yum -y install webmin)
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter...
>> >> done!
>> > 
>> > Taht's a lil silly... Why not use wget http://url/..rpm then execute
>> > the rpm to install it? All the code is nice for advanced users but it
>> > needs to be else where. 50% of linux users out here don't know what
>> > php-cli is...
>> >
>> > JohnStanley
>> >
> You did not bother to read the next mail I sent regarding this?

Well, I did and to be frank I did not understood what your problem is.
Care to put it in a more human readable "format"?



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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[JohnS]

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 22:44 +0400, Vladislav Rastrusny wrote:
> What RPM? WebMin RPM? That will make you loose repository automatical
> updates advantage.
> 
> 2009/5/29 JohnS :
> >
> > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 15:31 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
> >> Phil Schaffner wrote:
> >> > Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
> >> >
> >> > Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
> >> >
> >> I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)
> >>
> >>
> >> You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it
> >> executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
> >>
> >> Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
> >>
> >> Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
> >>
> >> 
> >> (echo "[Webmin]
> >> name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
> >> baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
> >> enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
> >> rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
> >> yum -y install webmin)
> >> 
> >>
> >> Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter...
> >> done!
> > 
> > Taht's a lil silly... Why not use wget http://url/..rpm then execute
> > the rpm to install it? All the code is nice for advanced users but it
> > needs to be else where. 50% of linux users out here don't know what
> > php-cli is...
> >
> > JohnStanley
> >
You did not bother to read the next mail I sent regarding this?

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[Vladislav Rastrusny]

What RPM? WebMin RPM? That will make you loose repository automatical
updates advantage.

2009/5/29 JohnS :
>
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 15:31 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
>> Phil Schaffner wrote:
>> > Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
>> >
>> > Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
>> >
>> I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)
>>
>>
>> You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it
>> executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
>>
>> Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
>>
>> Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
>>
>> 
>> (echo "[Webmin]
>> name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
>> baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
>> enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
>> rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
>> yum -y install webmin)
>> 
>>
>> Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter...
>> done!
> 
> Taht's a lil silly... Why not use wget http://url/..rpm then execute
> the rpm to install it? All the code is nice for advanced users but it
> needs to be else where. 50% of linux users out here don't know what
> php-cli is...
>
> JohnStanley
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[JohnS]

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 12:03 -0400, JohnS wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 15:31 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
> > Phil Schaffner wrote:
> > > Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
> > > 
> > > Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
> > > 
> > I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)
> > 
> > 
> > You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it 
> > executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
> > 
> > Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
> > 
> > Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
> > 
> > 
> > (echo "[Webmin]
> > name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
> > baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
> > enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
> > rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
> > yum -y install webmin)
> > 
> > 
> > Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter... 
> > done!
> 
> Taht's a lil silly... Why not use wget http://url/..rpm then execute
> the rpm to install it? All the code is nice for advanced users but it
> needs to be else where. 50% of linux users out here don't know what
> php-cli is...
> 
> JohnStanley
--\
Hmm that want work to good as there even is not a yum configuration
package for the webmin repo! Imagine that, a yum repo and no yum config
package? I don't like that. I did not realize that.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[JohnS]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 15:31 -0400, David Dreggors wrote:
> Phil Schaffner wrote:
> > Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
> > 
> > Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
> > 
> I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)
> 
> 
> You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it 
> executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
> 
> Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
> 
> Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
> 
> 
> (echo "[Webmin]
> name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
> baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
> enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
> rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
> yum -y install webmin)
> 
> 
> Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter... 
> done!

Taht's a lil silly... Why not use wget http://url/..rpm then execute
the rpm to install it? All the code is nice for advanced users but it
needs to be else where. 50% of linux users out here don't know what
php-cli is...

JohnStanley

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Vladislav Rastrusny]

Wonderful! Corrected article!

2009/5/28 David Dreggors :
> Phil Schaffner wrote:
>> Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
>>
>> Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
>>
> I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)
>
>
> You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it
> executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.
>
> Try this, (I have tested and it works great):
>
> Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]
>
> 
> (echo "[Webmin]
> name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
> baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
> enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
> rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
> yum -y install webmin)
> 
>
> Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter...
> done!
>
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[David Dreggors]

Phil Schaffner wrote:
> Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
> 
> Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
> 
I had another suggestion, and this fits in the nit picky range as well :)


You have the user paste all those lines into a file and the make it 
executable and then run it... a lot of un-needed steps.

Try this, (I have tested and it works great):

Copy this code [without the  tags but do include the parenthesis ]


(echo "[Webmin]
name=Webmin Distribution Neutral
baseurl=http://download.webmin.com/download/yum
enabled=1" >/etc/yum.repos.d/webmin.repo
rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc
yum -y install webmin)


Now instruct them to paste this right in the console, and press enter... 
done!


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Ralph,

> Article is just fine, repo as well (been using your instructions on a
> > couple of machines - all ok, also asked Jamie to add usermin-webmail
> > to the repo, which he did). What's all the fuss about?
>
> I don't really know :-/
>
> Ah, what the heck, I just add it to the page and remove the draft.


Do whatever you want. I personally see no sense in such a page as you could
just add the repo definition to the Repositories page. The rest is nothing
special.

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[Ralph Angenendt]

luc...@lastdot.org wrote:
> Article is just fine, repo as well (been using your instructions on a
> couple of machines - all ok, also asked Jamie to add usermin-webmail
> to the repo, which he did). What's all the fuss about?

I don't really know :-/ 

Ah, what the heck, I just add it to the page and remove the draft.

Ralph


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[luc...@lastdot.org]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Ralph Angenendt
 wrote:
> Marcus Moeller wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> >> I put i there ;) Waiting for someone to approve that article. ;)
>> >
>> > To me it looks okay, but there were others who voiced opinions ...
>>
>> I would like to see a repository link on the repo page instead of this 
>> article.
>
> Any opinions on that (this is getting a bit stupid, if nobody wants to
> check the quality of the webmin repository first).
>
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Article is just fine, repo as well (been using your instructions on a
couple of machines - all ok, also asked Jamie to add usermin-webmail
to the repo, which he did). What's all the fuss about?
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[Ralph Angenendt]

Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> >> I put i there ;) Waiting for someone to approve that article. ;)
> >
> > To me it looks okay, but there were others who voiced opinions ...
> 
> I would like to see a repository link on the repo page instead of this 
> article.

Any opinions on that (this is getting a bit stupid, if nobody wants to
check the quality of the webmin repository first).

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[Marcus Moeller]

Hi all.

>> I put i there ;) Waiting for someone to approve that article. ;)
>
> To me it looks okay, but there were others who voiced opinions ...

I would like to see a repository link on the repo page instead of this article.

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Vladislav Rastrusny wrote:
> I put i there ;) Waiting for someone to approve that article. ;)

To me it looks okay, but there were others who voiced opinions ...

Cheers,

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[Dag Wieers]

On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Dag Wieers wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
 Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>
>> A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page,
>> perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one
>> option )
> 
>
> This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
> that.

 Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent
>>>
>>> Don't you love when Threads just die like this? So what: Any opinions?
>>
>> I think it's good. Although I have some remarks (as usual :-))
>>
>>   - I would not limit the amount of entries by number, but rather in time.
>> So that big contributors have more entries than small contributors.
>
> Ummm. Those are the last *created* pages. So people who create more
> pages do get more entries in there ... It's not about changed pages :)

Ok, I was a fool into thinking this were the contributed pages per 
person for the Homepages. To give credit.


>>   - I would by default add a header/title in that macro and maybe even add
>> it by default to all Homepages (given that we know they are homepages)
>> since I would prefer that a Homepage has a custom part, but also a
>> standardized part.
>
> Okay, I don't understand what that has to do with a list of the last 5
> to 10 newly created pages on the FrontPage.

Nothing at all. Brain lapsus.


>> Which brings me to another point, wouldn't it be better if the Homepages
>> all went into /Users or something ? Instead of the root of the wiki ? Then
>> at least we could have a complete listing of all Homepages as index.
>
> Yes. And could take them out of the "New Pages" macro which isn't
> possible at the moment. Only problem I see: putting "RalphAngenendt" on
> a page automagically creates a link to /RalphAngenendt - that would need
> to be changed, too.

Right, you're the wiki master ;-)

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Vladislav Rastrusny]

I put i there ;) Waiting for someone to approve that article. ;)

2009/5/22 Ralph Angenendt :
> Vladislav Rastrusny wrote:
>> What about InstallWebMinRepo page itself? :) Is it ready for final stage?
>
> I don't know, it still has a "Under Construction" at the top :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ralph
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[Ralph Angenendt]

Vladislav Rastrusny wrote:
> What about InstallWebMinRepo page itself? :) Is it ready for final stage?

I don't know, it still has a "Under Construction" at the top :)

Cheers,

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[Vladislav Rastrusny]

What about InstallWebMinRepo page itself? :) Is it ready for final stage?

2009/5/22 Karanbir Singh :
> On 05/22/2009 02:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> The route I was going to try and look at was parsing the RecentChanges
>>> page, and get what we need from there.
>>
>> Well, you get changes :)
>>
>> The "new" flag is only set for bookmarks, it does not automatically show
>> up in the RecentChanges overview.
>>
>
> Interestingly, I completely missed the point that the codeblock only
> shows newly Created pages. Something inside my head auto assumed it was
> the latest changed / updated / created pages...
>
> oops.
>
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Karanbir Singh]

On 05/22/2009 02:20 PM, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> The route I was going to try and look at was parsing the RecentChanges
>> page, and get what we need from there.
>
> Well, you get changes :)
>
> The "new" flag is only set for bookmarks, it does not automatically show
> up in the RecentChanges overview.
>

Interestingly, I completely missed the point that the codeblock only 
shows newly Created pages. Something inside my head auto assumed it was 
the latest changed / updated / created pages...

oops.


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[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> The route I was going to try and look at was parsing the RecentChanges 
> page, and get what we need from there.

Well, you get changes :)

The "new" flag is only set for bookmarks, it does not automatically show
up in the RecentChanges overview.

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 05/22/2009 02:10 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
> > +1 for the general idea of having a "what's new" block on the homepage,
> > but could translations possible be excluded. No disrespect intended to
> > the EXCELLENT work being done by all the translators, but being only an
> > English speaker/reader, I personally have little interest when all 10
> > slots of a what's new list are filled by translated pages.
> 
> how about homepages for those language translations ?

How about having the "10 latest articles in this language" on the
language FrontPages?

My python-foo is close to non-existent, but

does not look that complicated. Maybe if someone can find out how to
filter on namespaces for languages (a list of those could be generated
out of the i18n list in anaconda). 

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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Karanbir Singh]

On 05/22/2009 01:49 PM, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent
> Don't you love when Threads just die like this? So what: Any opinions?

as a part of the staring at Moin code session, I was going to look at 
how else we might do this. at the moment this looks fine, can we loose 
the datestamp though. I dont think its needed. Also, I am guessing this 
can move in as a code block above or below the CentOS screenshot on the 
FrontPage

The route I was going to try and look at was parsing the RecentChanges 
page, and get what we need from there.

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Dag Wieers wrote:
> On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> 
> > Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> >> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> >>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
> >>>
>  A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page,
>  perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one
>  option )
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
> >>> that.
> >>
> >> Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent
> >
> > Don't you love when Threads just die like this? So what: Any opinions?
> 
> I think it's good. Although I have some remarks (as usual :-))
> 
>   - I would not limit the amount of entries by number, but rather in time.
> So that big contributors have more entries than small contributors.

Ummm. Those are the last *created* pages. So people who create more
pages do get more entries in there ... It's not about changed pages :)

>   - I would by default add a header/title in that macro and maybe even add
> it by default to all Homepages (given that we know they are homepages)
> since I would prefer that a Homepage has a custom part, but also a
> standardized part.

Okay, I don't understand what that has to do with a list of the last 5
to 10 newly created pages on the FrontPage.

> Which brings me to another point, wouldn't it be better if the Homepages 
> all went into /Users or something ? Instead of the root of the wiki ? Then 
> at least we could have a complete listing of all Homepages as index.

Yes. And could take them out of the "New Pages" macro which isn't
possible at the moment. Only problem I see: putting "RalphAngenendt" on
a page automagically creates a link to /RalphAngenendt - that would need
to be changed, too.

Cheers,

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[Karanbir Singh]

On 05/22/2009 02:10 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
> +1 for the general idea of having a "what's new" block on the homepage,
> but could translations possible be excluded. No disrespect intended to
> the EXCELLENT work being done by all the translators, but being only an
> English speaker/reader, I personally have little interest when all 10
> slots of a what's new list are filled by translated pages.

how about homepages for those language translations ?

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[Ned Slider]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
 A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page, 
 perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one 
 option )
>>> 
>>>
>>> This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
>>> that.
>> Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent
> 
> Don't you love when Threads just die like this? So what: Any opinions?
> 
> Ralph
> 

+1 for the general idea of having a "what's new" block on the homepage, 
but could translations possible be excluded. No disrespect intended to 
the EXCELLENT work being done by all the translators, but being only an 
English speaker/reader, I personally have little interest when all 10 
slots of a what's new list are filled by translated pages.

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[Dag Wieers]

On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ralph Angenendt wrote:

> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
>>> Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>>
 A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page,
 perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one
 option )
>>> 
>>>
>>> This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
>>> that.
>>
>> Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent
>
> Don't you love when Threads just die like this? So what: Any opinions?

I think it's good. Although I have some remarks (as usual :-))

  - I would not limit the amount of entries by number, but rather in time.
So that big contributors have more entries than small contributors.

  - I would by default add a header/title in that macro and maybe even add
it by default to all Homepages (given that we know they are homepages)
since I would prefer that a Homepage has a custom part, but also a
standardized part.

Which brings me to another point, wouldn't it be better if the Homepages 
all went into /Users or something ? Instead of the root of the wiki ? Then 
at least we could have a complete listing of all Homepages as index.

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>> A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page, 
>>> perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one 
>>> option )
>> 
>> 
>> This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
>> that.
>
> Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent

Don't you love when Threads just die like this? So what: Any opinions?

Ralph


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[Vladislav Rastrusny]

Fixed CamelCasing WebMin :)

2009/5/13 Marcus Moeller :
> Dear Vladislav Rastrusny,
>
>> Applied your fixes, thanks a lot!
>
> Is there any good reason for CamelCasing WebMin (sometimes)? The
> official spelling seems to be Webmin.
>
> Also I wonder why you don't just offer a signed RPM package with the
> repo description or alternatively just a repo file for download. Maybe
> you could get in contact with Jamie Cameron to do so.
>
> Best Regards
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[Marcus Moeller]

...
> Dear Ralph.

Sorry, meant you Russ ;)

Just a bit too early to type.

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[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Ralph.

>> Also I wonder why you don't just offer a signed RPM package with the
>> repo description or alternatively just a repo file for download. Maybe
>> you could get in contact with Jamie Cameron to do so.
>
> Implicitly the CentOS project watched and approves the content
> in the wiki (compare contra the open access mailing lists and
> forums).
>
> Are we as a project willing to let links proliferate thru the
> wiki at large to random non-CentOS controlled respository
> content [not 'penned in and watched' as in the Repositories
> page], and to be so outlinked, with a seeming imprimatur of
> being a signed package?
>
> I am not.

That's true. I would just add a lik to the repositories page, instead.
Imho there is no need for a separate installation description like
that.

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[R P Herrold]

On Wed, 13 May 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote:

> Also I wonder why you don't just offer a signed RPM package with the
> repo description or alternatively just a repo file for download. Maybe
> you could get in contact with Jamie Cameron to do so.

Implicitly the CentOS project watched and approves the content 
in the wiki (compare contra the open access mailing lists and 
forums).

Are we as a project willing to let links proliferate thru the 
wiki at large to random non-CentOS controlled respository 
content [not 'penned in and watched' as in the Repositories 
page], and to be so outlinked, with a seeming imprimatur of 
being a signed package?

I am not.

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[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Vladislav Rastrusny,

> Applied your fixes, thanks a lot!

Is there any good reason for CamelCasing WebMin (sometimes)? The
official spelling seems to be Webmin.

Also I wonder why you don't just offer a signed RPM package with the
repo description or alternatively just a repo file for download. Maybe
you could get in contact with Jamie Cameron to do so.

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[Vladislav Rastrusny]

Applied your fixes, thanks a lot!

2009/5/13 Phil Schaffner :
> Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
>
> Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
>
> 
> Change:
>
> Webmin is a web-based interface ...
>
> to:
>
> [http://www.webmin.com/index.html WebMin] is a web-based interface ...
> 
> Change:
>
> When you install WebMin from repository yum keeps an eye on new WebMin
> versions (for example, security-related releases) and when you issue
> "yum upgrade" you will see if a new WebMin version available.
>
> to:
>
> When [http://www.webmin.com/ WebMin] is installed from a repository, bug
> fixes and security patches can be automated as are other system updates,
> and managed using yum.
> 
> Change:
>
> Login to your server as root (you may login as user and then su to root
> if your system is set up this way).
>
> to:
>
> [:TipsAndTricks/BecomingRoot:Become root.]
> 
> Change:
>
> Then issue the following command to allow execution of this file by the
> shell:
>
> to:
>
> Make the file executable:
> 
> Change:
>
> Ok. WebMin repo and WebMin itself is now installed.
>
> to:
>
> The WebMin repo and application are now installed.
> 
>
> Very nice page.  One of these days I'll get around to actually trying it.
>
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[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent
> 
> Looks good to me, I wonder if its possible to somehow only list pages 
> which have some criteria. So as to not list pages that are considered 
> 'under construction' 

The macro does not read the pages, so I don't think it really is
possible to do that. I think it is better to cleanly mark pages as
"under construction" or put those in a sandbox like
wiki.centos.org/UnderConstruction/FooBar. The latter could make it
possible to not show those pages.

> or temp pages that people might create in their 
> homepage/.

Hmmm. If those would live in their own namespace ...

But then you probably cannot reference them with FirstnameLastname
anymore anywhere on the wiki, which would break standard behaviour on
some functions like lastchanged.

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[Karanbir Singh]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent

Looks good to me, I wonder if its possible to somehow only list pages 
which have some criteria. So as to not list pages that are considered 
'under construction' or temp pages that people might create in their 
homepage/.

If we could, that would be cool.

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Karanbir Singh wrote:
> > Phil Schaffner wrote:
> >> [Aside: Should there be some kind of release announcement system/list 
> >> for Wiki articles and other documentation?]
> > 
> > A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page, 
> > perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one 
> > option )
>
> 
> 
> This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
> that.

Check http://wiki.centos.org/RalphAngenendt/recent

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[Ralph Angenendt]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Phil Schaffner wrote:
>> [Aside: Should there be some kind of release announcement system/list 
>> for Wiki articles and other documentation?]
> 
> A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page, 
> perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one 
> option )

Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm. 

 should be able to do that,
for the much better version 2 we need to upgrade moin, though.

Or even better:



This will also show created HomePages, but I think we can live with
that.

Cheers,

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[Karanbir Singh]

Phil Schaffner wrote:
> The best way to do that is probably to get the release version of the 
> page linked in and announce it on the forum.

Sounds good.

> [Aside: Should there be some kind of release announcement system/list 
> for Wiki articles and other documentation?]

A 'whats new' section in a block, on the right side of the home-page, 
perhaps push the screenshot up, and put this box in under that ( is one 
option )

>> 2) Have we considered building a webmin-release-*-.rpm and asking for 
>> inclusion in the webmin repo directly ?
> 
> Not a WebMin user so I won't jump on that one.  Good idea though, as it 
> seems quite popular.

it is the 'recommended' way to get a .repo file onto a machine, it also 
automagically creates an update patch for the repo configs themselves.

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[Phil Schaffner]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Phil Schaffner wrote:
>> Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
>>
>> Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
>>
>> 
> 
> Just  brief look at the page, can do with some grammar checks I think. Also,

There were still a few nits I declined to pick, and my grammar is also 
sometimes sub-par.

> 1) Have we asked for feedback on that article and perhaps solicit more 
> centos specific content from the webmin users.

The best way to do that is probably to get the release version of the 
page linked in and announce it on the forum.

[Aside: Should there be some kind of release announcement system/list 
for Wiki articles and other documentation?]

> 2) Have we considered building a webmin-release-*-.rpm and asking for 
> inclusion in the webmin repo directly ?

Not a WebMin user so I won't jump on that one.  Good idea though, as it 
seems quite popular.

Phil
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Karanbir Singh]

Phil Schaffner wrote:
> Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo
> 
> Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...
> 
> 

Just  brief look at the page, can do with some grammar checks I think. Also,

1) Have we asked for feedback on that article and perhaps solicit more 
centos specific content from the webmin users.

2) Have we considered building a webmin-release-*-.rpm and asking for 
inclusion in the webmin repo directly ?

- KB
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[CentOS-docs] Comments on draft TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo page

[Phil Schaffner]

Apropos http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallWebminRepo

Suggested changes (mostly nit-picky :-) ...


Change:

Webmin is a web-based interface ...

to:

[http://www.webmin.com/index.html WebMin] is a web-based interface ...

Change:

When you install WebMin from repository yum keeps an eye on new WebMin 
versions (for example, security-related releases) and when you issue 
"yum upgrade" you will see if a new WebMin version available.

to:

When [http://www.webmin.com/ WebMin] is installed from a repository, bug 
fixes and security patches can be automated as are other system updates, 
and managed using yum.

Change:

Login to your server as root (you may login as user and then su to root 
if your system is set up this way).

to:

[:TipsAndTricks/BecomingRoot:Become root.]

Change:

Then issue the following command to allow execution of this file by the 
shell:

to:

Make the file executable:

Change:

Ok. WebMin repo and WebMin itself is now installed.

to:

The WebMin repo and application are now installed.


Very nice page.  One of these days I'll get around to actually trying it.

Phil
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