Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-04 Thread Ned Slider
Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ned Slider wrote:
>> I hope you'll add your Philips webcam to the list when you get a chance ;)
> Added info about that.
> 

Thanks.

> However, I completely failed to find a click path from the home page to 
> the webcams page. Is the page hidden away from the world by design ?
> 

Link added to the HardwareList page :)

Incidentally, is that any different for anything listed on the 
HardwareList page - I don't see a click path from the home page for any 
of that. I'm guessing most users would find those pages by using the 
search feature. Do you think the HardwareList page needs adding 
somewhere else or maybe I just missed it?


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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-04 Thread Karanbir Singh
Ned Slider wrote:
> I hope you'll add your Philips webcam to the list when you get a chance ;)
Added info about that.

However, I completely failed to find a click path from the home page to 
the webcams page. Is the page hidden away from the world by design ?

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Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Ned Slider
Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Ned Slider wrote:
>> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList/Webcams
> 
> I dont see the point of 'high end', 'midrange' and 'entry level' 
> sections. If there is any reason for it to be there, some info on howto 
> decide what section each webcam should go into should also be included 
> on the page.
> 

Fine - removed. It was just an attempt to beak up the page and give it 
some structure. The important thing is the info that it works :)

> But honestly, I dont see the point to that segmentation at all. People 
> will buy and use the webcam that works for them best, mostly looking for 
> the wiki as a means to work out which of those have been tested before 
> etc. So rather than doing the segmentation based on 'range' perhaps more 
> info on the camera / sample video + still output etc would go down a lot 
> better.
> 

I didn't envisage turning it into a mini review of each cam - there's 
already plenty of those on youtube etc. What's missing is purely a list 
of cams that *will* work under CentOS, plus any relevant details for 
getting it working.

I hope you'll add your Philips webcam to the list when you get a chance ;)



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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Alan Bartlett
On 02/12/2008, Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ned Slider wrote:
> > http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList/Webcams
>
> I don't see the point of 'high end', 'midrange' and 'entry level' sections.




People will buy and use the webcam that works for them best, mostly looking
> to the wiki as a means of working out which of those have been tested
> before,
> etc. So rather than doing the segmentation based on 'range', perhaps more
> info on the camera / sample video + still output, etc.


Ned, I would tend to agree with what KB has written (edited by me, the
pedant of the English language, above. :-D )

Alan.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Karanbir Singh
Ned Slider wrote:
> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList/Webcams

I dont see the point of 'high end', 'midrange' and 'entry level' 
sections. If there is any reason for it to be there, some info on howto 
decide what section each webcam should go into should also be included 
on the page.

But honestly, I dont see the point to that segmentation at all. People 
will buy and use the webcam that works for them best, mostly looking for 
the wiki as a means to work out which of those have been tested before 
etc. So rather than doing the segmentation based on 'range' perhaps more 
info on the camera / sample video + still output etc would go down a lot 
better.

- KB
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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Ned Slider
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> Ned Slider wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to ask if we can make a small exception to that rule for 
>> webcams, and ask for permission to start a section for webcams known to 
>> work with CentOS. 
> 
> Sure, go ahead, what you wrote sounds reasonable :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ralph
> 

Thanks. Page created here:

http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList/Webcams

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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Akemi Yagi wrote:
> Ralph, is this also from you?  

No.

Ralph


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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ned Slider wrote:
>> The hardware list page on the Wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList
>>
>> says:
>>
>> "I'd like to see this page as an entry point for hardware that does not
>> work with CentOS out of the box or only with some effort. I do not see a
>> need for a list which states all working hardware."
>
> That's from me - we don't/didn't have the manpower (and the machines) to
> make a list like that (and I still feel that way).

Ralph, is this also from you?  

"Avoid the use of the first person singular ("I", "mine" etc.) in
pages, since it is of little use to the reader, and it looks a tad
unprofessional. If you have to refer to yourself or someone else,
refer to his/her Wiki page with contact information (or just the full
name if that person does not have a page on this Wiki)."
(seen in  http://wiki.centos.org/HowToContribute/EditingCentOSWiki )

Akemi
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Re: [CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-02 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Ned Slider wrote:
> The hardware list page on the Wiki:
> 
> http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList
> 
> says:
> 
> "I'd like to see this page as an entry point for hardware that does not 
> work with CentOS out of the box or only with some effort. I do not see a 
> need for a list which states all working hardware."

That's from me - we don't/didn't have the manpower (and the machines) to
make a list like that (and I still feel that way). 

> I'd like to ask if we can make a small exception to that rule for 
> webcams, and ask for permission to start a section for webcams known to 
> work with CentOS. 

Sure, go ahead, what you wrote sounds reasonable :)

Cheers,

Ralph


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[CentOS-docs] HardwareList - webcams

2008-12-01 Thread Ned Slider
Hi List,

The hardware list page on the Wiki:

http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/HardwareList

says:

"I'd like to see this page as an entry point for hardware that does not 
work with CentOS out of the box or only with some effort. I do not see a 
need for a list which states all working hardware."

I'd like to ask if we can make a small exception to that rule for 
webcams, and ask for permission to start a section for webcams known to 
work with CentOS. The reason being that when researching the purchase of 
a webcam for use on CentOS/Skype, I was unable to find any decent 
resources (specifically referencing CentOS) other than personal 
recommendations from other users. I still seems as though buying a 
webcam for use with CentOS is a lottery although things are definitely 
improving.

I'm thinking of a page that details:

Webcam make and model
CentOS version tested under
Driver used, minimal install details (source, RPM etc)
Applications tested with
Anything else relevant

and maybe split into 3 sections for high-end, mid-range and entry-level 
webcams.

For reference (and those searching on google who may find this), I could 
  get things started with the Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000 which works on 
CentOS5 with the uvc driver (compiled from the latest source tarball), 
tested with Skype. Karanbir also mentioned on IRC that he'd had success 
with a Philips SPC 900NC.

Thoughts/objections?


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