Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Marcus Moeller wrote: Please be patient. Karan is going to prepare the xoops_users tables, so we can continue testing. The migration script (at least placed on the TestVM) should not be accessible to the public. I've got this done at home over the weekend - its amazing how much work one can do when there is no internet access - as soon as the link comes back on [1] I'll do the poking on the VM to get you guys access. Essentially, its a complete forum dump from a few weeks back along with userid's. Email's replaced with random@centosproject.org and passwd's replaced by random generated ones from expect's mkpasswd. The other userdata including IM details etc are intact. Perhaps setup a http basic auth around the site and post a username/password to the list here, while that will be public - it should keep google etc from picking up on that and using that info. - KB [1] : http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/news/generalbriefings/gen02709.do ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
luc...@lastdot.org wrote: Phil Schaffner wrote: I'd like to weigh in on the side of a more open Wiki with fewer barriers to contributing and/or editing. That would be great! I'm sure many users wanted to contribute something (not viagra links) at some point, but found the whole process discouraging. I did. You would still have to send a mail that you are fine with the license the wiki is under - and so that someone can put you into a group which is allowed to edit pages. But that would be *one* mail, no subscription to a mailing list, no show your documents first. If MoinMoin can do some captcha and export as rss the new pages/edits I don't think it's going to be a problem to have them checked out. Captchas are basically broken. Been also checking the website unification progress... It's not going well. I guess starting from scratch is out of the question? And lose the stuff which is in the forums? No. All the rest can be discussed. :) pgpZJk0gDG1bN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Marcus Moeller wrote: On top of my personal list is LDAP integration, as we want to push website v2 a bit. LDAP integration is just a config change, so no big problem. The problem is that website accounts and wiki accounts don't have anything in common. Ralph pgp7YYXD00hcL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Dear Ralph, On top of my personal list is LDAP integration, as we want to push website v2 a bit. LDAP integration is just a config change, so no big problem. The problem is that website accounts and wiki accounts don't have anything in common. At the moment or in the future? As the aim should be to create one single backend for all parts of the website (News, Forum, Wiki, Planet...). You know, the forums have already been proved against LDAP and Alain has lined out some requirements that have to be met for the rest of the website: http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/langSubsites/C-Nus Afaik he has also started to write some code for that. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralph Angenendt wrote: Marcus Moeller wrote: Dear Ralph, On top of my personal list is LDAP integration, as we want to push website v2 a bit. LDAP integration is just a config change, so no big problem. The problem is that website accounts and wiki accounts don't have anything in common. At the moment or in the future? At the moment. And I don't see any easy way to resolve that if there are duplicate account names. As the aim should be to create one single backend for all parts of the website (News, Forum, Wiki, Planet...). Yes. Which one is the leading account? Trac? Wiki? Website? Well, I would chose the source where there are more accounts and user information. Based on that we could break those records into appropriate LDAP attributes. For example, and because is what I've seen by now, if the accounts source chosen would be Xoops.users we could use the the name field to build a wiki name that could be stored into another LDAP uid attribute. Then point somehow MoinMoin to match that. Of course, users that aren't in Xoops.users won't be in LDAP, so in order to make the migration we need to request users to register in a common place or create some kind of script that help us migrate things from different sources into a common source. I would like to request the creation of a wiki page to organize these things, so we can define solutions and a direction, based on real conditions/logistic/resources and any thing involved. b.t.w. Did any one have test: http://php-bb.dev.centos.org/private/newbb_to_phpbb/ ? I would like to make that script public if possible (getting it out of private directory ) for anyone to test. - -- Alain Reguera Delgado a...@ciget.cienfuegos.cu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with CentOS - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ12eayXxCQEoXDZARAo+zAJ4l1JQWcyE6ytreP8qWR5pG1t68jACfRjuU cuF0AVUoF8uEDETbqSPqkXo= =KTRz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Dear Alain, b.t.w. Did any one have test: http://php-bb.dev.centos.org/private/newbb_to_phpbb/ ? I would like to make that script public if possible (getting it out of private directory ) for anyone to test. Please be patient. Karan is going to prepare the xoops_users tables, so we can continue testing. The migration script (at least placed on the TestVM) should not be accessible to the public. Test procedure is: - account migration - verify account migration - test forum functionality (hope Ned and some of the forum mods will join us then) Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Marcus Moeller m...@marcus-moeller.de wrote: Test procedure is: - account migration - verify account migration - test forum functionality (hope Ned and some of the forum mods will join us then) When participation of the forum mods is needed, I'd be happy to join in. Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
2009/4/4 Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com: On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Marcus Moeller m...@marcus-moeller.de wrote: Test procedure is: - account migration - verify account migration - test forum functionality (hope Ned and some of the forum mods will join us then) When participation of the forum mods is needed, I'd be happy to join in. You are welcome ;) Thanks Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Alain Reguera Delgado wrote: Yes. Which one is the leading account? Trac? Wiki? Website? Well, I would chose the source where there are more accounts and user information. Based on that we could break those records into appropriate LDAP attributes. That would be xoops at the moment. But the bug database also has loads of accounts. I'm just wondering aloud how something like this can be solved. For example, and because is what I've seen by now, if the accounts source chosen would be Xoops.users we could use the the name field to build a wiki name that could be stored into another LDAP uid attribute. Then point somehow MoinMoin to match that. And lose all information about who wrote and changed which article when - or even worse give edit rights to someone else. This has to be thought through, and we're not talking about a few users in case of xoops and bugs. Ralph pgpdEbF9VDOwP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Akemi Yagi wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Marcus Moeller m...@marcus-moeller.de wrote: Test procedure is: snip - test forum functionality (hope Ned and some of the forum mods will join us then) When participation of the forum mods is needed, I'd be happy to join in. Akemi Absolutely Marcus. I've been rather busy of late so haven't been following the full details of this discussion (just briefly reading), but the moment you're ready for us to jump in with some testing, please give us a loud shout and we'll be there :) ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ralph Angenendt wrote: Alain Reguera Delgado wrote: Yes. Which one is the leading account? Trac? Wiki? Website? Well, I would chose the source where there are more accounts and user information. Based on that we could break those records into appropriate LDAP attributes. That would be xoops at the moment. But the bug database also has loads of accounts. I'm just wondering aloud how something like this can be solved. Seems like there is no easy way to get this done. Lets keep wondering aloud :D What applications we have and what of them currently support authentication through LDAP ? Then is time to unify accounts. Here some scripts may be necessary but in cases they don't fit, It would be necessary to ask all CentOS users to fill a form and get registered in the new LDAP space. That would let us work on needed adjustments to be sure all uid match. Note: I haven't read yet how applications like MoinMoin, Trac, Mantis, ... handle the users authentication through LDAP and the user relation with the content. That need to be clear enough so to save time, information and define a working road. A wiki page for those things would be useful. With all these things in place, we could set a test server to install all this applications, reflect the real environment, and test how it works. When things work as expected the system could be put in production. This is not one's man work. We'll need collaboration from everybody, from dev-team to users. For example, and because is what I've seen by now, if the accounts source chosen would be Xoops.users we could use the the name field to build a wiki name that could be stored into another LDAP uid attribute. Then point somehow MoinMoin to match that. And lose all information about who wrote and changed which article when - or even worse give edit rights to someone else. This has to be thought through, and we're not talking about a few users in case of xoops and bugs. Agree. The process need to be defined somewhere with everybody's knowledge in each area like availabilities, needs, difficulties and so on, this way we could build a way to go. Something like we did with forums (http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/forums). Just thinking aloud to spread ideas over the table and so get other's one. Best Regards, - -- Alain Reguera Delgado a...@ciget.cienfuegos.cu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with CentOS - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ18iuyXxCQEoXDZARAubnAJ9JzMzffScbAwnYgTW/ofhZE9hNBgCg5bFP GirjBAJ0EaQGrwzd49XKHPE= =DeSU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 21:31 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: ... I've been rather busy of late so haven't been following the full details of this discussion (just briefly reading), but the moment you're ready for us to jump in with some testing, please give us a loud shout and we'll be there :) Same here. Also sounds like there is likely to be a need to recruit Wiki moderators. That might be done through the forums as well as this list. I'd like to weigh in on the side of a more open Wiki with fewer barriers to contributing and/or editing. That is admittedly opening up the doors to more spammers or other malicious content-providers; however a robust moderator staff should help to mitigate that nastiness. Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Phil Schaffner wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 21:31 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: ... I've been rather busy of late so haven't been following the full details of this discussion (just briefly reading), but the moment you're ready for us to jump in with some testing, please give us a loud shout and we'll be there :) Same here. Also sounds like there is likely to be a need to recruit Wiki moderators. That might be done through the forums as well as this list. I'd like to weigh in on the side of a more open Wiki with fewer barriers to contributing and/or editing. That would be great! I'm sure many users wanted to contribute something (not viagra links) at some point, but found the whole process discouraging. I did. If MoinMoin can do some captcha and export as rss the new pages/edits I don't think it's going to be a problem to have them checked out. Been also checking the website unification progress... It's not going well. I guess starting from scratch is out of the question? Regards, Lucian That is admittedly opening up the doors to more spammers or other malicious content-providers; however a robust moderator staff should help to mitigate that nastiness. Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Karanbir Singh wrote: Could we have something like this for people who dont have edit rights : - people can make an 'edit' - but the edit is handled either as a patch emailed to the page maintainer / edit group / editorial group / this list ? but not displayed till its 'accepted / approved ' I still would like to open up the wiki even more - especially as what we all already have talked about would not require writing macros for Moin, but would require editors to at least say yes to the license. I want to have a new version of the software on the wiki beforehand, though. And some place to test changes to the login process. Ralph pgpRGRRuy3am1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Ralph Angenendt wrote: I still would like to open up the wiki even more - especially as what we all already have talked about would not require writing macros for Moin, but would require editors to at least say yes to the license. Sounds good - I guess the original plan is still worth sticking with, and lowers the bar all around. And if we can get comments going as well - that would be fantastic! I want to have a new version of the software on the wiki beforehand, though. And some place to test changes to the login process. We should have both of these things as doable right now, or as soon as time permits! - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Ralph Angenendt wrote: I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some time ago - you can only have one comment box per page. Second problem is that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. Considering most of the content here is from static files, I wonder how much work it would be to plugin some other comment system and have the content included in the page itself. I'm happy to hack together something like this with you if you fancy it? - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Good Evening, Ralph Angenendt wrote: I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some time ago - you can only have one comment box per page. Second problem is that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. Considering most of the content here is from static files, I wonder how much work it would be to plugin some other comment system and have the content included in the page itself. I'm happy to hack together something like this with you if you fancy it? Comments may be an opportunity, but I think not the best. At least in wikipedia, comments are sometimes used to post suggestions (or spam), but often ignored by the original author. I would prefer to have a direct link on each page to the original author and the last editor (besides the page history) to get in contact with him/her. Also the revision number would make sense for translations, as mentioned some time ago. On top of my personal list is LDAP integration, as we want to push website v2 a bit. But I guess the groundwork has already been done by Ralph for Moin ;) Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote: Good Evening, Ralph Angenendt wrote: I still have a small problem with the comment plugin I have found quite some time ago - you can only have one comment box per page. Second problem is that it is open to everyone (well, you need a login, but no Edit Access), so we need many people having an eye on comments to weed out spammers. Considering most of the content here is from static files, I wonder how much work it would be to plugin some other comment system and have the content included in the page itself. I'm happy to hack together something like this with you if you fancy it? Comments may be an opportunity, but I think not the best. At least in wikipedia, comments are sometimes used to post suggestions (or spam), but often ignored by the original author. I would prefer to have a direct link on each page to the original author and the last editor (besides the page history) to get in contact with him/her. Also the revision number would make sense for translations, as mentioned some time ago. I think having comments is better than a link to the original and last author mostly because sometimes people want to report some small improvement, but if the overhead of doing the report is too big (opening an email application, copying the address, entering a subject, write the comment) than we may loose out on the feedback. Also a comment system can be moderated by a group of people, while private email/messages may get lost. For those reasons I like a comment system more (eg. I always loved the comments in the PHP annotated manual which was the first such comment system I had seen for documentation). We just have to make sure that comments are in some way moderated. Or only visible to people that are logged on, or something like that. We should avoid at all cost that a spam message becomes available to non-authenticated users even for a short period (because it would be a motivation to spam). -- -- dag wieers, d...@centos.org, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
Dag Wieers wrote: We just have to make sure that comments are in some way moderated. Or only visible to people that are logged on, or something like that. The Editorial Group setup becomes crucial for this. But if it can be done - would be really nice. Specially for things like the Release Notes for 5.3 - there is so much potential to harvest in massive amounts of knowledge from the users, it would be so nice if they could directly post feedback. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] proposed changes option
hi, Could we have something like this for people who dont have edit rights : - people can make an 'edit' - but the edit is handled either as a patch emailed to the page maintainer / edit group / editorial group / this list ? but not displayed till its 'accepted / approved ' -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
