Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[David Galloway]

On 12/28/18 4:13 AM, Ilya Dryomov wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 7:18 PM Brian :  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to drag this one up again.
>>
>> Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing.
>>
>> 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
>> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
>> 21-Dec-2018.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
>> you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like
>> this before your membership in the list is deleted.'
>>
>> can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is?
> 
> Me too.  Happens regularly and only on ceph-users, not on sepia or
> ceph-maintainers, etc.  David, Dan, could you or someone you know look
> into this?
> 

As far as I know, we don't have shell access to the mail servers for
those lists so I can't see what's going on behind the scenes.  I will
increase the bounce_score_threshold for now and change the list owner to
an active e-mail address (oops) who will get the bounce notifications.

The Bounce Processing settings are the same for ceph-users and
ceph-maintainers so I'm guessing the high volume of ceph-users@ is why
it's only happening on that list.

I think the plan is to move to a self-hosted mailman instance soon so
this shouldn't be an issue for much longer.
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Ilya Dryomov]

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 7:18 PM Brian :  wrote:
>
> Sorry to drag this one up again.
>
> Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing.
>
> 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 21-Dec-2018.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.'
>
> can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is?

Me too.  Happens regularly and only on ceph-users, not on sepia or
ceph-maintainers, etc.  David, Dan, could you or someone you know look
into this?

Thanks,

Ilya
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Janne Johansson]

Den lör 22 dec. 2018 kl 19:18 skrev Brian : :
> Sorry to drag this one up again.

Not as sorry to drag it up as you

> Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing.

And me.

> 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
[..]
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.'
> can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is?

^^^
this

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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Brian :]

Sorry to drag this one up again.

Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing.

'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
21-Dec-2018.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like
this before your membership in the list is deleted.'

can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is?


On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM Janne Johansson  wrote:
>
> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
> :
> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get 
> > disabled twice a month.
> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see 
> > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe 
> > Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps 
> > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets 
> > bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
> > recently.
>
> Guess it's time for it again.
>
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Janne Johansson]

Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
:
> I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get 
> disabled twice a month.
> Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see 
> this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe 
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it 
> wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets 
> bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently.

Guess it's time for it again.

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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[shubjero]

Happens to me too, on gmail. I'm on half a dozen other mailman lists with
no issues at all. I've escalate this problem to the ceph mailing list
maintainer and they said its an issue with their provider, but this was
probably a year ago.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:04 AM Elias Abacioglu <
elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote:

> Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit?
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en
>
> /Elias
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
>> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>> >
>> > /E
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
>> Suite.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul
>> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> >> > :
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
>> re-enable).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers
>> >> > > Joshua
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <
>> svante.karls...@csi.se> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
>> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <
>> j...@unbiasedgeek.com>:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> >> > >>>  wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Hi,
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My
>> membership get disabled twice a month.
>> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing
>> lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only
>> affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
>> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this
>> one out?
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what
>> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725,
>> 20180718 most recently.
>> >> > >>> > Please help!
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Thanks,
>> >> > >>> > Elias
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <
>> ch...@gol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
>> SpamAssassin, however
>> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high
>> scores.
>> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is
>> up to date and
>> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
>> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >> > >>> >>
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >> > >>> >>
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
>> autolearn=no
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on
>> your way out.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to
>> trigger
>> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Christian
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like
>> to figure out
>> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
>> subscribed
>> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing
>> them in the
>> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements
>> are less
>> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't
>> already use
>> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but
>> see below.
>> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be
>> hell, doubly so
>> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned
>> off digest
>> >> 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Erik McCormick]

Without an example of the bounce response itself it's virtually impossible
to troubleshoot. Can someone with mailman access please provide an example
of a bounce response?

All the attachments on those rejected messages are just HTML copies of the
message (which are not on the list of filtered attachments), and they seem
to be on every message anyway. It also looks like mailman is stripping them.

-Erik

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 7:04 AM Elias Abacioglu <
elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote:

> Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit?
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en
>
> /Elias
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
>> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>> >
>> > /E
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
>> Suite.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul
>> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> >> > :
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
>> re-enable).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers
>> >> > > Joshua
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <
>> svante.karls...@csi.se> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
>> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <
>> j...@unbiasedgeek.com>:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> >> > >>>  wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Hi,
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My
>> membership get disabled twice a month.
>> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing
>> lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only
>> affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
>> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this
>> one out?
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what
>> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725,
>> 20180718 most recently.
>> >> > >>> > Please help!
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Thanks,
>> >> > >>> > Elias
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <
>> ch...@gol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
>> SpamAssassin, however
>> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high
>> scores.
>> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is
>> up to date and
>> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
>> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >> > >>> >>
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >> > >>> >>
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
>> autolearn=no
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on
>> your way out.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to
>> trigger
>> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Christian
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like
>> to figure out
>> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
>> subscribed
>> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing
>> them in the
>> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements
>> are less
>> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't
>> already use
>> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but
>> see below.
>> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Elias Abacioglu]

Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit?
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en

/Elias

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev 
wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>  wrote:
> >
> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
> >
> > /E
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:
> >>
> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
> Suite.
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
> >> > :
> >> > >
> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
> re-enable).
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Joshua
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson <
> svante.karls...@csi.se> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith <
> j...@unbiasedgeek.com>:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
> >> > >>>  wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Hi,
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My
> membership get disabled twice a month.
> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists
> and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected?
> Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this
> one out?
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what
> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718
> most recently.
> >> > >>> > Please help!
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Thanks,
> >> > >>> > Elias
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer 
> wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
> SpamAssassin, however
> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high
> scores.
> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is
> up to date and
> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
> >> > >>> >> ---
> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> >> > >>> >>
> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> >> > >>> >>
> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
> autolearn=no
> >> > >>> >> ---
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on
> your way out.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to
> trigger
> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Christian
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to
> figure out
> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
> subscribed
> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing
> them in the
> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements
> are less
> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't
> already use
> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but
> see below.
> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be
> hell, doubly so
> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned
> off digest
> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try
> setting
> >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what
> do I know.
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about
> attachments:
> >> > >>> >> > ---
> >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily
> “digests” of list
> >> > >>> >> 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Alex Gorbachev]

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
 wrote:
>
> If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to 
> use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>
> /E
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:
>>
>> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> > :
>> > >
>> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Joshua
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson  
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe 
>> > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> > >>
>> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> > >>>  wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Hi,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My 
>> > >>> > membership get disabled twice a month.
>> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and 
>> > >>> > I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? 
>> > >>> > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, 
>> > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one 
>> > >>> > out?
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually 
>> > >>> > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
>> > >>> > recently.
>> > >>> > Please help!
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Thanks,
>> > >>> > Elias
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  
>> > >>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, 
>> > >>> >> however
>> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high 
>> > >>> >> scores.
>> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to 
>> > >>> >> date and
>> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> > >>> >> ---
>> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> > >>> >>  
>> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> > >>> >>  
>> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no 
>> > >>> >> autolearn=no
>> > >>> >> ---
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your 
>> > >>> >> way out.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Christian
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to 
>> > >>> >> > > figure out
>> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person 
>> > >>> >> > > subscribed
>> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them 
>> > >>> >> > > in the
>> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are 
>> > >>> >> > > less
>> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't 
>> > >>> >> > > already use
>> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see 
>> > >>> >> > below.
>> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, 
>> > >>> >> > doubly so
>> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off 
>> > >>> >> > > digest
>> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I 
>> > >>> >> > know.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > >>> >> > ---
>> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” 
>> > >>> >> > of list
>> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of 
>> > >>> >> > attachments).
>> > >>> >> > 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Gerhard W. Recher]

@all and Listadmin


These Problems with Gmail Email Addresse or Domains operated under Google 
Control

Are caused by Google refusing high Volume Senders !!!

I operated a Security list and hast Been faced with exactly Same Problems


Google is totally ignorant, no real answers to Out complains !


Just my 2 Cents

Am 8. Oktober 2018 23:52:20 MESZ schrieb Paul Emmerich :
>You don't get removed for sending to the mailing list, you get removed
>because the mailing list servers fails to deliver mail to you.
>Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 23:22 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith
>:
>>
>> I just got dumped again.  I have not sent any attechments/images.
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force
>people to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>> >
>> > /E
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma 
>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich
> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G
>Suite.
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul
>> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> >> > :
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to
>re-enable).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers
>> >> > > Joshua
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson
> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
>d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith
>:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> >> > >>>  wrote:
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Hi,
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying.
>My membership get disabled twice a month.
>> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing
>lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only
>affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail
>accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure
>this one out?
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate
>what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725,
>20180718 most recently.
>> >> > >>> > Please help!
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Thanks,
>> >> > >>> > Elias
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer
> wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with
>SpamAssassin, however
>> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively
>high scores.
>> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA
>is up to date and
>> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
>tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >> > >>> >> 
>FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >> > >>> >> 
>HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID
>shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> >> > >>> >> ---
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're
>well on your way out.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces
>to trigger
>> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the
>counter.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> Christian
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer
>wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite
>wrote:
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really
>like to figure out
>> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only
>person subscribed
>> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be
>allowing them in the
>> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment
>requirements are less
>> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that
>don't already use
>> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >>> >> > >
>> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK,
>but see below.
>> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can
>be hell, doubly so
>> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >> > >>> >> >
>> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I
>turned off digest
>> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll
>try 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Paul Emmerich]

You don't get removed for sending to the mailing list, you get removed
because the mailing list servers fails to deliver mail to you.
Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 23:22 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith :
>
> I just got dumped again.  I have not sent any attechments/images.
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
>  wrote:
> >
> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people 
> > to use pastebin / imgur type of services?
> >
> > /E
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:
> >>
> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich  
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
> >> > :
> >> > >
> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Joshua
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson 
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe 
> >> > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I have been removed twice.
> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
> >> > >>>  wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Hi,
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My 
> >> > >>> > membership get disabled twice a month.
> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists 
> >> > >>> > and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only 
> >> > >>> > affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, 
> >> > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this 
> >> > >>> > one out?
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what 
> >> > >>> > actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 
> >> > >>> > most recently.
> >> > >>> > Please help!
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Thanks,
> >> > >>> > Elias
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  
> >> > >>> > wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, 
> >> > >>> >> however
> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high 
> >> > >>> >> scores.
> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up 
> >> > >>> >> to date and
> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
> >> > >>> >> ---
> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 
> >> > >>> >> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> >> > >>> >>  
> >> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> >> > >>> >>  
> >> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> >> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no 
> >> > >>> >> autolearn=no
> >> > >>> >> ---
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on 
> >> > >>> >> your way out.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to 
> >> > >>> >> trigger
> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> Christian
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> >> > >>> >>
> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to 
> >> > >>> >> > > figure out
> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person 
> >> > >>> >> > > subscribed
> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them 
> >> > >>> >> > > in the
> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are 
> >> > >>> >> > > less
> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't 
> >> > >>> >> > > already use
> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
> >> > >>> >> > >
> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see 
> >> > >>> >> > below.
> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be 
> >> > >>> >> > hell, doubly so
> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> >> > >>> >> >
> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off 
> >> > >>> >> > > digest
> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Jeff Smith]

I just got dumped again.  I have not sent any attechments/images.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu
 wrote:
>
> If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to 
> use pastebin / imgur type of services?
>
> /E
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:
>>
>> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich  wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
>> > :
>> > >
>> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Joshua
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson  
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe 
>> > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>> > >>
>> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have been removed twice.
>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>> > >>>  wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Hi,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My 
>> > >>> > membership get disabled twice a month.
>> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and 
>> > >>> > I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? 
>> > >>> > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, 
>> > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one 
>> > >>> > out?
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually 
>> > >>> > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
>> > >>> > recently.
>> > >>> > Please help!
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Thanks,
>> > >>> > Elias
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  
>> > >>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, 
>> > >>> >> however
>> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high 
>> > >>> >> scores.
>> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to 
>> > >>> >> date and
>> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> > >>> >> ---
>> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> > >>> >>  
>> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> > >>> >>  
>> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no 
>> > >>> >> autolearn=no
>> > >>> >> ---
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your 
>> > >>> >> way out.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Christian
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to 
>> > >>> >> > > figure out
>> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person 
>> > >>> >> > > subscribed
>> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them 
>> > >>> >> > > in the
>> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are 
>> > >>> >> > > less
>> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't 
>> > >>> >> > > already use
>> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see 
>> > >>> >> > below.
>> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, 
>> > >>> >> > doubly so
>> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off 
>> > >>> >> > > digest
>> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I 
>> > >>> >> > know.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > >>> >> > ---
>> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” 
>> > >>> >> > of list
>> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Elias Abacioglu]

If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people
to use pastebin / imgur type of services?

/E

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma  wrote:

> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
> >
> > Paul
> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
> > :
> > >
> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Joshua
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
> > >>
> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith  >:
> > >>>
> > >>> I have been removed twice.
> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Hi,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My
> membership get disabled twice a month.
> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists
> and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected?
> Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what
> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718
> most recently.
> > >>> > Please help!
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Thanks,
> > >>> > Elias
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer 
> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin,
> however
> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high
> scores.
> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up
> to date and
> > >>> >> google will have similar checks:
> > >>> >> ---
> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0
> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> > >>> >>
> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> > >>> >>
> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> > >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
> autolearn=no
> > >>> >> ---
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on
> your way out.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to
> trigger
> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Christian
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to
> figure out
> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
> subscribed
> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them
> in the
> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are
> less
> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't
> already use
> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see
> below.
> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be
> hell, doubly so
> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off
> digest
> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I
> know.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> > >>> >> > ---
> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests”
> of list
> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
> attachments).
> > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original
> attachments that the
> > >>> >> > recipient can click on.
> > >>> >> > ---
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Christian
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > > Cheers,
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer 
> wrote:
> > >>> >> > > >
> > >>> >> > > > Hello,
> > >>> >> > > >
> > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
> > >>> >> > > >
> > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards
> to spam my 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Martin Palma]

Same here also on Gmail with G Suite.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich  wrote:
>
> I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.
>
> Paul
> Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
> :
> >
> > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
> >
> > Cheers
> > Joshua
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe 
> >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
> >>
> >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :
> >>>
> >>> I have been removed twice.
> >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership 
> >>> > get disabled twice a month.
> >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I 
> >>> > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? 
> >>> > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, 
> >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> >>> >
> >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually 
> >>> > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
> >>> > recently.
> >>> > Please help!
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> > Elias
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, 
> >>> >> however
> >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
> >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to 
> >>> >> date and
> >>> >> google will have similar checks:
> >>> >> ---
> >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> >>> >>  
> >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> >>> >>  
> >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> >>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no 
> >>> >> autolearn=no
> >>> >> ---
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way 
> >>> >> out.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
> >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Christian
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure 
> >>> >> > > out
> >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person 
> >>> >> > > subscribed
> >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in 
> >>> >> > > the
> >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already 
> >>> >> > > use
> >>> >> > > a cloud provider).
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see 
> >>> >> > below.
> >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, 
> >>> >> > doubly so
> >>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off 
> >>> >> > > digest
> >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> >>> >> > ---
> >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of 
> >>> >> > list
> >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of 
> >>> >> > attachments).
> >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments 
> >>> >> > that the
> >>> >> > recipient can click on.
> >>> >> > ---
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Christian
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > Cheers,
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  
> >>> >> > > wrote:
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > > Hello,
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to 
> >>> >> > > > spam my bet
> >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of 
> >>> >> > > > these
> >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Paul Emmerich]

I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite.

Paul
Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen
:
>
> I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).
>
> Cheers
> Joshua
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson  wrote:
>>
>> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe 
>> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>>
>> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :
>>>
>>> I have been removed twice.
>>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership 
>>> > get disabled twice a month.
>>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see 
>>> > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe 
>>> > Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps 
>>> > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>>> >
>>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets 
>>> > bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
>>> > recently.
>>> > Please help!
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Elias
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
>>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date 
>>> >> and
>>> >> google will have similar checks:
>>> >> ---
>>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>>> >>  
>>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>>> >>  
>>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>>> >> ---
>>> >>
>>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way 
>>> >> out.
>>> >>
>>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>>> >>
>>> >> Christian
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
>>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
>>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
>>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
>>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
>>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, 
>>> >> > doubly so
>>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
>>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>>> >> > ---
>>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
>>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of 
>>> >> > attachments).
>>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that 
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > recipient can click on.
>>> >> > ---
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Christian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Cheers,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Hello,
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam 
>>> >> > > > my bet
>>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Christian
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >> Hi all,
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed 
>>> >> > > >> from
>>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled 
>>> >> > > >> due
>>> >> > > 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Joshua Chen]

I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable).

Cheers
Joshua


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson 
wrote:

> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.
>
> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :
>
>> I have been removed twice.
>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
>> get disabled twice a month.
>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
>> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
>> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
>> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>> >
>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
>> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
>> recently.
>> > Please help!
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Elias
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin,
>> however
>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to
>> date and
>> >> google will have similar checks:
>> >> ---
>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>> >>
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>> >>
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no
>> autolearn=no
>> >> ---
>> >>
>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
>> out.
>> >>
>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>> >>
>> >> Christian
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Thanks Christian,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure
>> out
>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person
>> subscribed
>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in
>> the
>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already
>> use
>> >> > > a cloud provider).
>> >> > >
>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see
>> below.
>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell,
>> doubly so
>> >> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >> >
>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off
>> digest
>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> >> > >
>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> >> > ---
>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of
>> list
>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
>> attachments).
>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments
>> that the
>> >> > recipient can click on.
>> >> > ---
>> >> >
>> >> > Christian
>> >> >
>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer 
>> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hello,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > You're on gmail.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to
>> spam my bet
>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of
>> these
>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Christian
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Hi all,
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed
>> from
>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been
>> disabled due
>> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is
>> coming from.
>> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the
>> contact
>> >> > > >> listed in Mailman 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Shawn Iverson]

I thought it was just me, guess not...

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 1:28 PM Janne Johansson  wrote:

> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
> :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
> get disabled twice a month.
> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> >
> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> > Please help!
>
> Same here.
>
>
> --
> May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
> ___
> ceph-users mailing list
> ceph-users@lists.ceph.com
> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
>


-- 
Shawn Iverson, CETL
Director of Technology
Rush County Schools
765-932-3901 x1171
ivers...@rushville.k12.in.us
___
ceph-users mailing list
ceph-users@lists.ceph.com
http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Svante Karlsson]

I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe
d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there.

Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith :

> I have been removed twice.
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
> get disabled twice a month.
> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> >
> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> > Please help!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elias
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date
> and
> >> google will have similar checks:
> >> ---
> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
> >>
> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
> >>
> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
> >>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
> out.
> >>
> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
> >>
> >> Christian
> >>
> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks Christian,
> >> > >
> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure
> out
> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >> > >
> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already
> use
> >> > > a cloud provider).
> >> > >
> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell,
> doubly so
> >> > if on M$ cloud.
> >> >
> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >> > >
> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
> >> >
> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> >> > ---
> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of
> list
> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of
> attachments).
> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that
> the
> >> > recipient can click on.
> >> > ---
> >> >
> >> > Christian
> >> >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer 
> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You're on gmail.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam
> my bet
> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of
> these
> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Christian
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Hi all,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed
> from
> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been
> disabled due
> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming
> from.
> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the
> contact
> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
> >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Help!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
> >> > > > ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
> >> 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Jeff Smith]

I have been removed twice.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get 
> disabled twice a month.
> Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see 
> this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe 
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it 
> wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>
> So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets 
> bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently.
> Please help!
>
> Thanks,
> Elias
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
>> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and
>> google will have similar checks:
>> ---
>> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>>  
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>>  
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> ---
>>
>> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out.
>>
>> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >
>> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
>> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
>> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >
>> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
>> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
>> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >
>> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
>> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so
>> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >
>> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
>> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >
>> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> >
>> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > ---
>> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
>> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
>> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
>> > recipient can click on.
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Christian
>> >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > You're on gmail.
>> > > >
>> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my 
>> > > > bet
>> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> > > >
>> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> > > >
>> > > > Christian
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi all,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
>> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
>> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
>> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact
>> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
>> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Help!
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
>> > > > ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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>> ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Sergey Malinin]

Same here. Gmail + own domain.
On Oct 6, 2018, 20:52 +0300, Tren Blackburn , wrote:
> And same here. I'm glad I'm not the only one this is happening to.
>
> t.
>
> On October 6, 2018 at 10:50:10 AM, David C (dcsysengin...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > Same issue here, Gmail user, member of different lists but only get 
> > disabled on ceph-users. Happens about once a month but had three in Sept.
> >
> > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 18:28 Janne Johansson,  wrote:
> > > > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
> > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My 
> > > > > membership get disabled twice a month.
> > > > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I 
> > > > > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? 
> > > > > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > > > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, 
> > > > > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one 
> > > > > out?
> > > > >
> > > > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually 
> > > > > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > > > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
> > > > > recently.
> > > > > Please help!
> > > >
> > > > Same here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
> > > > ___
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> > > > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com
> > > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Tren Blackburn]

And same here. I'm glad I'm not the only one this is happening to.

t.

On October 6, 2018 at 10:50:10 AM, David C (dcsysengin...@gmail.com) wrote:

Same issue here, Gmail user, member of different lists but only get
disabled on ceph-users. Happens about once a month but had three in Sept.

On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 18:28 Janne Johansson,  wrote:

> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
> :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
> get disabled twice a month.
> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> >
> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> > Please help!
>
> Same here.
>
>
> --
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[David C]

Same issue here, Gmail user, member of different lists but only get
disabled on ceph-users. Happens about once a month but had three in Sept.

On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 18:28 Janne Johansson,  wrote:

> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
> :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership
> get disabled twice a month.
> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I
> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts,
> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
> >
> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually
> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> > Please help!
>
> Same here.
>
>
> --
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Janne Johansson]

Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu
:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get 
> disabled twice a month.
> Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see 
> this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe 
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it 
> wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>
> So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets 
> bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently.
> Please help!

Same here.


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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Vasiliy Tolstov]

Thanks! Do you have bounce message from google in such case (for
example for my account v.tols...@selfip.ru )
сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 17:43, Marc Roos :
>
> Of course it is possible, should be easy to track in log files, looks
> like all messages originate from the same host. Let me know what gmail
> says.
>
>
> Received: from spam1.roosit.eu (spam1.roosit.eu [212.26.193.45])
> by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676)
> via ESMTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 15:16:24 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com
> (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202])
>
> Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230])
> by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676)
> via ESMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:08:13 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com
> (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202])
>
> Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230])
> by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676)
> via ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:23:27 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com
> (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202])
> by spam2.roosit.eu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86ENNK5048828
> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=
>
> Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230])
> by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676)
> via ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:00:11 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com
> (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202])
> by spam2.roosit.eu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86C07il043315
> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vasiliy Tolstov [mailto:v.tols...@selfip.ru]
> Sent: zaterdag 6 oktober 2018 16:34
> To: Marc Roos
> Cc: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com; elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com
> Subject: *SPAM* Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
>
> сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 16:48, Marc Roos :
> >
>
> I have such problems too. And also i have address on gmail (my own
> domain). I'm asked from list admins to provide bounce message to contact
> google team. But after three days nobody answered.
> I don't think that is possible to ask google without message from mailer
> about bounce.
>
> --
> Vasiliy Tolstov,
> e-mail: v.tols...@selfip.ru
>
>


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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Marc Roos]

Of course it is possible, should be easy to track in log files, looks 
like all messages originate from the same host. Let me know what gmail 
says.


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(pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202])

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(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=

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(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 

-Original Message-
From: Vasiliy Tolstov [mailto:v.tols...@selfip.ru] 
Sent: zaterdag 6 oktober 2018 16:34
To: Marc Roos
Cc: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com; elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com
Subject: *SPAM* Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 16:48, Marc Roos :
>

I have such problems too. And also i have address on gmail (my own 
domain). I'm asked from list admins to provide bounce message to contact 
google team. But after three days nobody answered.
I don't think that is possible to ask google without message from mailer 
about bounce.

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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Vasiliy Tolstov]

сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 16:48, Marc Roos :
>

I have such problems too. And also i have address on gmail (my own
domain). I'm asked from list admins to provide bounce message to
contact google team. But after three days nobody answered.
I don't think that is possible to ask google without message from
mailer about bounce.

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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Erik McCormick]

This has happened to me several times as well. This address is hosted on
gmail.

-Erik

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 9:06 AM Elias Abacioglu <
elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get
> disabled twice a month.
> Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see
> this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps
> it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>
> So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets
> bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> Please help!
>
> Thanks,
> Elias
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
>
>>
>> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
>> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date
>> and
>> google will have similar checks:
>> ---
>> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>>
>>  
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>>
>>  
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> ---
>>
>> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
>> out.
>>
>> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >
>> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
>> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
>> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >
>> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
>> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
>> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >
>> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
>> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly
>> so
>> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >
>> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
>> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >
>> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> >
>> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > ---
>> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
>> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
>> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that
>> the
>> > recipient can click on.
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Christian
>> >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer 
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > You're on gmail.
>> > > >
>> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam
>> my bet
>> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> > > >
>> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> > > >
>> > > > Christian
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi all,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
>> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled
>> due
>> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming
>> from.
>> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the
>> contact
>> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
>> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Help!
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
>> > > > ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Marc Roos]

 
Maybe ask first gmail? 




-Original Message-
From: Elias Abacioglu [mailto:elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com] 
Sent: zaterdag 6 oktober 2018 15:07
To: ceph-users
Subject: Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

Hi,

I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership 
get disabled twice a month.
Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I 
see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe 
Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, 
perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?


So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually 
gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.
I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most 
recently.
Please help!

Thanks,
Elias


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:



Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, 
however
once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high 
scores.
Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to 
date and
google will have similar checks:
---
X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 
tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
 
FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL
_FROM,
 
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPI
KE_H4,
 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no 
autolearn=no
---

Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your 
way out.

The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. 

Christian

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Christian,
> > 
> > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to 
figure out
> > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person 
subscribed
> > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> > 
> > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them 
in the
> > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are 
less
> > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't 
already use
> > a cloud provider).
> >   
> Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see 
below.
> Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, 
doubly so
> if on M$ cloud.
> 
> > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off 
digest
> > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >   
> Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I 
know.
> 
> Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> ---
> When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” 
of list
> messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of 
attachments).
> However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments 
that the
> recipient can click on.
> ---
> 
> Christian
> 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  
wrote:  
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > You're on gmail.
> > >
> > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to 
spam my bet
> > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of 
these
> > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> > >
> > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being 
unsubscribed from
> > >> ceph-users with the message:
> > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been 
disabled due
> > >> to excessive bounces..."
> >

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Elias Abacioglu]

Hi again,

Did some more investigating:
These are the mails I haven't received from yesterday and now:
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030358.html
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030359.html
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030360.html

So it could be
http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html
that bounced, and it has an attachment.

Does that particular mail have higher spam score?

/E

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:06 PM Elias Abacioglu <
elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get
> disabled twice a month.
> Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see
> this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
> Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
> Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps
> it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?
>
> So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets
> bounced? Look at my address if you want.
> I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
> recently.
> Please help!
>
> Thanks,
> Elias
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:
>
>>
>> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
>> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
>> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date
>> and
>> google will have similar checks:
>> ---
>> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>>
>>  
>> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>>
>>  
>> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
>> ---
>>
>> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way
>> out.
>>
>> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
>> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks Christian,
>> > >
>> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
>> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
>> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>> > >
>> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
>> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
>> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
>> > > a cloud provider).
>> > >
>> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
>> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly
>> so
>> > if on M$ cloud.
>> >
>> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
>> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
>> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>> > >
>> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>> >
>> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
>> > ---
>> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
>> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
>> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
>> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that
>> the
>> > recipient can click on.
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Christian
>> >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer 
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > You're on gmail.
>> > > >
>> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam
>> my bet
>> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>> > > >
>> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
>> > > >
>> > > > Christian
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi all,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
>> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
>> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled
>> due
>> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
>> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming
>> from.
>> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the
>> contact
>> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
>> > > >> received any 

Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Elias Abacioglu]

Hi,

I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get
disabled twice a month.
Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see
this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe
Christian was on to something, is this intentional?
Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps
it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?

So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets
bounced? Look at my address if you want.
I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most
recently.
Please help!

Thanks,
Elias

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer  wrote:

>
> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and
> google will have similar checks:
> ---
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
>
>  
> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
>
>  
> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
>  RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
> ---
>
> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out.
>
> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
>
> Christian
>
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Christian,
> > >
> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> > >
> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
> > > a cloud provider).
> > >
> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly
> so
> > if on M$ cloud.
> >
> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> > >
> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
> >
> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> > ---
> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
> > recipient can click on.
> > ---
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > You're on gmail.
> > > >
> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my
> bet
> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> > > >
> > > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> > > >
> > > > Christian
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
> > > >> ceph-users with the message:
> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled
> due
> > > >> to excessive bounces..."
> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming
> from.
> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact
> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
> > > >> received any response despite several attempts.
> > > >>
> > > >> Help!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
> > > > ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Christian Balzer]

Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and
google will have similar checks:
---
X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
 FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
---

Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out.

The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. 

Christian

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Christian,
> > 
> > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
> > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> > 
> > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
> > a cloud provider).
> >   
> Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
> Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so
> if on M$ cloud.
> 
> > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >   
> Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
> 
> Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> ---
> When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
> messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
> However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
> recipient can click on.
> ---
> 
> Christian
> 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  wrote:  
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > You're on gmail.
> > >
> > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
> > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
> > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> > >
> > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
> > >> ceph-users with the message:
> > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
> > >> to excessive bounces..."
> > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> > >>
> > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
> > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact
> > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
> > >> received any response despite several attempts.
> > >>
> > >> Help!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
> > > ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
> > 
> > 
> >   
> 
> 


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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Christian Wuerdig]

You're not the only one, happens to me too. I found some old ML thread
from a couple years back where someone mentioned the same thing.
I do notice from time to time spam coming through (not much though and
it seems to come in waves) although I'm not sure how much gmail is
bouncing but nobody else seems to complain about spam.

Gmail has a 25MB attachment limit and I'd be surprised if someone
sends 25MB+ attachments. So it's most likely an attachment with a
blocked extension or a "dangerous" link as written here:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6590

Who knows, there might be someone on the list deliberately including a
"signature" or attaching a file with a blocked extension to
deliberately annoy gmail users in order to "educate" them (I remember
similarly annoying behaviour from the Usenet days)

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Blair Bethwaite
 wrote:
> Thanks Christian,
>
> You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
> what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> to ceph-users via a gmail account.
>
> Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
> a cloud provider).
>
> This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
>
> Cheers,
>
> On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> You're on gmail.
>>
>> Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
>> is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
>> bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
>>
>> Because Google knows best[tm].
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
>>> ceph-users with the message:
>>> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
>>> to excessive bounces..."
>>> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
>>>
>>> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
>>> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact
>>> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
>>> received any response despite several attempts.
>>>
>>> Help!
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
>> ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> ~Blairo
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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Christian Balzer]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:

> Thanks Christian,
> 
> You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
> what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> 
> Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
> a cloud provider).
> 
Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so
if on M$ cloud.

> This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> 
Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.

Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
---
When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
recipient can click on.
---

Christian

> Cheers,
> 
> On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > You're on gmail.
> >
> > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
> > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
> > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> >
> > Because Google knows best[tm].
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> >  
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
> >> ceph-users with the message:
> >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
> >> to excessive bounces..."
> >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> >>
> >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
> >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact
> >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
> >> received any response despite several attempts.
> >>
> >> Help!
> >>  
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer
> > ch...@gol.com   Rakuten Communications  
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues

[Christian Balzer]

Hello,

You're on gmail.

Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
bounces and that setting is beyond your control.

Because Google knows best[tm].

Christian

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
> ceph-users with the message:
> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
> to excessive bounces..."
> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> 
> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact
> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't
> received any response despite several attempts.
> 
> Help!
> 


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