Re: [ceph-users] Doesn't Support Qcow2 Disk images

2015-03-12 Thread Andrija Panic
ceph is RAW format - should be all fine...so VM will be using that RAW
format

On 12 March 2015 at 09:03, Azad Aliyar azad.ali...@sparksupport.com wrote:

 Community please explain the 2nd warning on this page:

 http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-openstack/

 Important Ceph doesn’t support QCOW2 for hosting a virtual machine disk.
 Thus if you want to boot virtual machines in Ceph (ephemeral backend or
 boot from volume), the Glance image format must be RAW.


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Re: [ceph-users] Doesn't Support Qcow2 Disk images

2015-03-12 Thread Wido den Hollander


On 12-03-15 13:00, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:49:51 PM Vieresjoki, Juha wrote:
 But there's really no point, block storage is the only viable option for
 virtual machines performance-wise. With images you're dealing with multiple
 filesystem layers on top of the actual block devices, plus Ceph as block
 storage supports pretty much everything that qcow2 as a format does.
 
 
 Not much difference that I've noticed on the small system I run, in fact 
 cepfs 
 seems to do some caching which speeds up things considerably in benchmarks. 
 Not a huge difference in actual app performance that I've noticed.
 
 Delete/Restore of snapshots is a lot quicker with qcow2 and for somereasons 
 saving memory state is orders of magnitude quicker with qcow2.

Don't, simply don't run your VMs with QCOW2 over CephFS. You bring in so
much more complexity by adding a Posix Filesystem and the Ceph MDS.

Although CephFS might look faster due to the kernel caching, it's not safer!

Use RBD with Qemu, it keeps it all in userspace, a lot better then going
through all the kernelspace things.

Wido

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Re: [ceph-users] Doesn't Support Qcow2 Disk images

2015-03-12 Thread Vieresjoki, Juha
But there's really no point, block storage is the only viable option for
virtual machines performance-wise. With images you're dealing with multiple
filesystem layers on top of the actual block devices, plus Ceph as block
storage supports pretty much everything that qcow2 as a format does.

On 12 March 2015 at 12:18, Lindsay Mathieson lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:27:43 AM Andrija Panic wrote:
  ceph is RAW format - should be all fine...so VM will be using that RAW
  format


 If you use cephfs you can use qcow2.
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Re: [ceph-users] Doesn't Support Qcow2 Disk images

2015-03-12 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:49:51 PM Vieresjoki, Juha wrote:
 But there's really no point, block storage is the only viable option for
 virtual machines performance-wise. With images you're dealing with multiple
 filesystem layers on top of the actual block devices, plus Ceph as block
 storage supports pretty much everything that qcow2 as a format does.


Not much difference that I've noticed on the small system I run, in fact cepfs 
seems to do some caching which speeds up things considerably in benchmarks. 
Not a huge difference in actual app performance that I've noticed.

Delete/Restore of snapshots is a lot quicker with qcow2 and for somereasons 
saving memory state is orders of magnitude quicker with qcow2.
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Re: [ceph-users] Doesn't Support Qcow2 Disk images

2015-03-12 Thread Thomas Foster
http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_converting.html
On Mar 12, 2015 6:50 AM, Vieresjoki, Juha j...@void.fi wrote:

 But there's really no point, block storage is the only viable option for
 virtual machines performance-wise. With images you're dealing with multiple
 filesystem layers on top of the actual block devices, plus Ceph as block
 storage supports pretty much everything that qcow2 as a format does.

 On 12 March 2015 at 12:18, Lindsay Mathieson lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:27:43 AM Andrija Panic wrote:
  ceph is RAW format - should be all fine...so VM will be using that RAW
  format


 If you use cephfs you can use qcow2.
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Re: [ceph-users] Doesn't Support Qcow2 Disk images

2015-03-12 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:27:43 AM Andrija Panic wrote:
 ceph is RAW format - should be all fine...so VM will be using that RAW
 format


If you use cephfs you can use qcow2.
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