Re: which one of these things is not like the other...
I just noticed that John Ashenfelter is speaking at CFUnited - perhaps you could give him your opinion of the test at the conference. larry On Apr 7, 2005 11:37 PM, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just took an online test for ColdFusion 5 (I didn't realize when I talked to the recruiter that it would be CF5 and not MX or later). I have to say, the Modis test for CF5 is one of the worst tests I've seen. I got several duplicated questions (same question, but with the name of a variable modified slightly, i.e. someVariable instead of myVariable, a number of questions about ColdFusion Studio (one in particular about using debugging output to step through a template -- which I've never seen anybody use), and several questions which were simply incorrect. The test actually blamed someone as being the author of each question. :) And named John Ashenfelter for all of the questions I saw... Were these written during a beta or something? (Still wouldn't explain this replace question which is simply wrong -- no way around it.) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2393 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: which one of these things is not like the other...
Yeah! Yeah! In a big public forum, where I could dress him up in a tinkerbell outfit and... oh wait... wrong thread... :) I won't be at cfunited unfortunately. I did think it was odd that John interposed the arguments for the replace() function ... Maybe he was sleep deprived or something. I just noticed that John Ashenfelter is speaking at CFUnited - perhaps you could give him your opinion of the test at the conference. larry On Apr 7, 2005 11:37 PM, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just took an online test for ColdFusion 5 (I didn't realize when I talked to the recruiter that it would be CF5 and not MX or later). I have to say, the Modis test for CF5 is one of the worst tests I've seen. I got several duplicated questions (same question, but with the name of a variable modified slightly, i.e. someVariable instead of myVariable, a number of questions about ColdFusion Studio (one in particular about using debugging output to step through a template -- which I've never seen anybody use), and several questions which were simply incorrect. The test actually blamed someone as being the author of each question. :) And named John Ashenfelter for all of the questions I saw... Were these written during a beta or something? (Still wouldn't explain this replace question which is simply wrong -- no way around it.) s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2395 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: which one of these things is not like the other...
How did you know it was RHT? ;-) I ended up getting the job though, they were happy enough with my background and test results, and I got on well with the hiring manager. Still here knocks on wood -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h -Original Message- From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:53 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: which one of these things is not like the other... Sounds like Robert Half technologies exame...It was littered with CFgrid questions as well as questions like whats the default value for XXX in cf administrator...The one I took for my current position was actually very good I can't remember where it was though :( I do know I placed in the top 5% though I don't remeber any mistakes...I do remeber a mistake or 2 in the one from RHT. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2399 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: which one of these things is not like the other...
The best answer to most of these questions is livedocs. A good developer knows how to solve problems and find answers, not how to memorize every useless little attribute of every tag in the book. I'll hire someone how participates in the community and knows how to find the answer before someone who's memorised a book any day of the week. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 8, 2005 3:10 PM, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One question from one of these exams that I took sticks out in my mind How many valid values are there for the action attribute of cfdirectory. a) one b) two c) three d) four e) five (that was the gist of the question, although I may have the wrong tag). How this tests my real-world skills I have no idea. At 05:53 PM 4/8/2005, you wrote: Sounds like Robert Half technologies exame...It was littered with CFgrid questions as well as questions like whats the default value for XXX in cf administrator...The one I took for my current position was actually very good I can't remember where it was though :( I do know I placed in the top 5% though I don't remeber any mistakes...I do remeber a mistake or 2 in the one from RHT. Adam H On Apr 8, 2005 3:24 PM, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a test in February of 2004 in PHP and CFML. I scored a mid-80's on the PHP and a low 70's in the CFML. The reason for this was that the CFML test used CFGRID a good deal, and I'd never used this tag as it wasn't in the book I used to learn CFML X-) Go figure. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2401 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: which one of these things is not like the other...
I am so glad to hear you say that! I feel it is more valuable to know where to find the answer and how to apply that knowledge. Anyone can memorize but can you apply that knowledge? -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:30 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: which one of these things is not like the other... The best answer to most of these questions is livedocs. A good developer knows how to solve problems and find answers, not how to memorize every useless little attribute of every tag in the book. I'll hire someone how participates in the community and knows how to find the answer before someone who's memorised a book any day of the week. -Cameron ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2403 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: which one of these things is not like the other...
And never hire a developer who does not know about valuable resources such as this list and the family of Macromedia users! -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:10 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: which one of these things is not like the other... Indeed. During an interview I try to ask questions like What's the difference between the client and session scope?. An expereinced developer will know, and a less expereinced one will not. Open ended questions are a far better measure of someone's abilities. I also tend to ask alot of questions about where you go for answers, what was the last really hard problem they solved, and how did they solve it... Of course, recruiters rarely are knowledgable enough to evaluate answers to those questions... Which is why I never use recruiters to hire developers. -Cameron ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2405 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
