Re: recruiters with english as a second language
Same here, was amazed the first few times it happened that recruiting had been outsourced like that. I tried to nicely tell the first couple I was not interested but after rewording that statement a few times without them understanding what I was saying I finally just gave up. Probably does not help that I generally have a low opinion of recruiters to begin with. On 3/30/06, Pete Ruckelshaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten a number of calls from recruiters that were pretty obviously outsourced Indian callcenter employees who were dialling for dollars. As a rule, I hang up on them as quickly as possible. I have also gotten emails that used less than native English, which I delete just as quickly. Sorry, but if they don't care enough to communicate properly and effectively, I don't care enough to respond. Pete On 3/30/06, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So... I hope I'm not offending anyone, but at what point do you simply not respond to a recruiter if there's an obvious language barrier? I'm just curious if anyone else has a rule of thumb they use, because I just got an email from a recruiter asking me to revert back positively ... with the resume and the rate, indicating that he's confused the definition of reply or possibly respond and revert. It seems like now more than any other time that I've looked for a job, the majority of the recruiters I talk to are some variety of (middle)eastern (I'm guessing mostly Indian, although of course I don't ask) with varying degrees of either accent or language barrier. I really don't want to come across as being insensitive, but some of these people (a good number of them actually) speak english over the phone so poorly that it takes several iterations of a word or phrase before I understand what they're trying to say, and it really makes me wonder how they've even been hired in a recruiting capacity by companies seeking english-speaking workers. My current job search seems to be nearing its end, so I'm not liable to need to worry about it for hopefully several years now, I'm just curious what other people's thoughts are on the subject. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2987 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: recruiters with english as a second language
While I would agree about the communication barrier - Just wanted to point out FYI - India is not in the middle east... On 3/31/06, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite various websites' preference settings (Career Builder and DICE come to mind), I STILL get emails from recruiters, usually with middle-eastern names, shopping for candidates for jobs I'm simply not qualified for. I hate that. I used to get that pretty frequently with recruiters seeing that my resume had some minimal ASP experience on it (a year of ASP 2.0 that I never liked and haven't touched more than twice in the last 6 years) and would call me up saying they're looking for an experienced ASP _expert_. That was from predominantly American recruiters surprisingly enough. Over time java expert gradually crept in as well, and now I'm getting frequent contacts for C++ expert... I spent 3 days fixing a C++ COM object for scanning images from the web directly to a server about a year ago or so, and that's the sum total of official C++ experience I have (I taught myself from books about 9 yrs ago just before I started working with CF and hadn't been asked to work with C++ in all that time). If it gets much worse I'll have to stop posting my resume on the job sites and just rely on searching and submitting it myself. Although mercifully I shouldn't have to deal with this for much longer and then will get a nice long several year break from it. Maybe in 2010 or so when I'm ready for another change people will have figured out how wasteful and unproductive the current recruiting trends are. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2988 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: recruiters with english as a second language
By the way, I saw the () in your Middle East reference, but others weren't including it, so I think that was it was pointed out that India isn't in the Middle East. Yep, that's why I clarified. :) Thanks Levi, s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2991 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: recruiters with english as a second language
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Not trying to be mean or anything but when he sounds like Apu from the Simpsons I really don't listen to what they are saying. So... I hope I'm not offending anyone, but at what point do you simply not respond to a recruiter if there's an obvious language barrier? I'm just curious if anyone else has a rule of thumb they use, because I just got an email from a recruiter asking me to revert back positively ... with the resume and the rate, indicating that he's confused the definition of reply or possibly respond and revert. It seems like now more than any other time that I've looked for a job, the majority of the recruiters I talk to are some variety of (middle)eastern (I'm guessing mostly Indian, although of course I don't ask) with varying degrees of either accent or language barrier. I really don't want to come across as being insensitive, but some of these people (a good number of them actually) speak english over the phone so poorly that it takes several iterations of a word or phrase before I understand what they're trying to say, and it really makes me wonder how they've even been hired in a recruiting capacity by companies seeking english-speaking workers. My current job search seems to be nearing its end, so I'm not liable to need to worry about it for hopefully several years now, I'm just curious what other people's thoughts are on the subject. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2992 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: recruiters with english as a second language
Glad to hear it happens to others. Not trying to be mean or anything but when they sound like Apu from the Simpsons I really don't listen to what they have to say and just say no thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2993 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: recruiters with English as a second language
Hi Guys, English is not my mother tongue. But I can't stop my self putting my two cents in to this since languages are one of my favorite subjects. If you guys (Native English speakers) thinks that is a problem you guys facing - that is wrong. This is an advantage for you. I'm not been a native English speaker but traveling all over the world bring me two types of problems when it come to English. 1. Some do not speak English at all - that is pure communication barrier. Hate that. 2. Some Native English speakers do not be comfortable enough with me even I imitate everything else belong to that tribe (dress code, dining habits, etc..) - That is pure cultural barrier. I experience this more with Americans - and less with Black Americans and middle class British. But I understand that and have no complains. Where I come from, people call English as 'the Sward'. Because the primary purpose of the sward is to eliminate others who do not have a shaper one. May be that is why some people choose not to involved in this sward fighting at all. (Koreans, Japanese, Russians, French, etc.) Anyway when you study about humans and languages you may notice primary purpose of language is not communication - but separate your tribe from others. We are trying to use one language as the global language first time in the human history. It is not a happy story how English become the global language. But having a global language is a wonderful thing. But still when ever we feel Apu is not belong to our tribe, our body feel uncomfortable unintentionally and make us hang up the phone faster. That is our primitive human instinct of keep away from other tribes. That is not wrong. I truly hope one day English will use just for communication purposes only. Even that bad English will exist giving native speakers clear advantage. Apu may never understand why we drive in the parkway and park in the driveway. That means More Business for You in the global economy - and less business for Apu. Cheer Up! (But keep the borders secure). Since Apu have 8 kids who most probably will be native speakers (because they have to survive in the school with Nelson) what native English you would like them to speak? Snoop Dog's Native English or Jeff Foxworthy's Native English? Take care Guy, Sam -Original Message- From: Scott Fairley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:44 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: recruiters with english as a second language I'm glad I'm not the only one. Not trying to be mean or anything but when he sounds like Apu from the Simpsons I really don't listen to what they are saying. So... I hope I'm not offending anyone, but at what point do you simply not respond to a recruiter if there's an obvious language barrier? I'm just curious if anyone else has a rule of thumb they use, because I just got an email from a recruiter asking me to revert back positively ... with the resume and the rate, indicating that he's confused the definition of reply or possibly respond and revert. It seems like now more than any other time that I've looked for a job, the majority of the recruiters I talk to are some variety of (middle)eastern (I'm guessing mostly Indian, although of course I don't ask) with varying degrees of either accent or language barrier. I really don't want to come across as being insensitive, but some of these people (a good number of them actually) speak english over the phone so poorly that it takes several iterations of a word or phrase before I understand what they're trying to say, and it really makes me wonder how they've even been hired in a recruiting capacity by companies seeking english-speaking workers. My current job search seems to be nearing its end, so I'm not liable to need to worry about it for hopefully several years now, I'm just curious what other people's thoughts are on the subject. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2994 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
