Re: CF job/restarting a career
If you are going to learn CFMX of some flavour, I'd try to pick up as much Java as possible at the same time. People may disagree, but adding Java to your CF skills makes you much more flexible and gives you a second direction to take if the opportunity presents itself. It can also save you a heap of work, when you can dig into an open source Java app and pull out the important bits for direct integration with CF (I just did this for producing barcodes, for example). At a basic level, Java isn't that difficult to grasp. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2751 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF job/restarting a career
Have you spoken with your boss about it? As a boss myself that'd be the first thing I'd want my employees to do if they were ever dissatisfied on the job. I'd want to find a way to fix it for them. Employees are the most important asset to any company - and a boss is just not a good boss if they don't do whatever they can to get and keep good employees. My $0.02. -Jordan K H wrote: Hi! I had a question about finding a CF job/restarting a career â if Iâm posting in the wrong place, please redirect me. Thanks in advance. First, my situation. I have about 3 years of CF 5 experience with an Oracle database plus Crystal Reports. I relocated ârecentlyâ (over a year ago) to another office with my firm, at my request. Unfortunately, while significantly closer to my family, this office has no work on IT lines for me to do â and Iâve pretty much reached the end of my rope. While the companyâs great, its main focus isnât in the information arena, and the work Iâm doing currently isâ¦mind numbingly awful. And the likelihood of this changing in the future is pretty small. I also feel incredibly guilty for leaving the company that I started out with. So, my (slightly panicky) question is, do you have any suggestions on what I should be doing next? Iâm at a bit of loss since I a) donât have a great deal of experience with other programming things and b) donât have a CS degree (mine are in engineering). I have been watching the jobs list on this site as well as the local paper, etc. Most seem to require either a CS degree, Java, or significantly more experience than I feel I have. All of my apps are on Intranets and behind confidentiality agreements, so demonstrating them is not really an option. Thanks again. Iâm going to sit over here and try to remember to breathe. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2745 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF job/restarting a career
I think every person is different in their ability to learn things. I state this because when I got around to learning CFCs I picked them up in no time at all, probably a matter of days. I did not even use any online tutorials or really even look much in the documents. What I did was looked at some examples of working CFCs and I just kind of jumped in them with my own set goals. Having any college degree is definately a perk. I lack one, well one other than an Associate of Arts. I know for a fact that my lack of a college degree has been an issue with some places to the point of not even looking beyond that. Then when I look back at all the groups I have worked in when doing CFM, I can not really think of one person who had a degree even remotely related to IT. Knowing a framework can definately be a foot in at some places. I think the most commonly found one would be Fusebox so that is where I would start learning. I actually know very little about Fusebox but have managed to stay constantly employed with CFM work for going on a decade. So I could be an example of where not knowing one does not matter. However I have been in some interviews where it turned out the place was a Fusebox shop and it was frowned upon that I had not worked with it. On 7/27/05, Johnny Le [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFMX 6 and 7 are quite different from CF 5. My advice is to find a local community school near you and learn about CFC and cfmx 6 stuff. Event gateway and other CFMX 7 stuff are not really needed right now, but you should know CFC stuff to make good money. I would advise you to find tutorials on the web, but that would take much longer to learn. The next step is to learn either Model-glue or fusebox framework. Since Model-glue just came out, you would actually be ahead of the game. No one would know you haven't developed for a while. Don't worry about CS degree. I have a degree in Economics. No one ever questions my ability to understand programming concepts. The important thing is that you have a degree. I do find that people without a high school diplomat tend to have difficulties understand programming concepts. Most of our projects are password protected. So we can't really show our work. You need to describe the sites a little bit in more details. I actually describe individual modules within the site. Calendar, registration, schedule, user management system, payment system, shopping carts are some of the modules that you should definitely describe in details if you have done those. It depends on how you look at the world. This could be exciting and not panicking. Johnny ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2750 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF job/restarting a career
That anecdote may not be entirely accurate. A guy posted to the BACFUG list about a year ago looking for a developer for a code review job. The guy who was hiring was fed up with certified developers who had no experience and couldn't think, and was attempting to state that he didn't care if you were certified-- he was not impressed by that because anyone can memorize some stuff and take a gazillion practice tests. That doesn't make the person a good developer. It wasn't actually, If you're certified don't apply but If all you have is certification, don't apply. Of course, people read it wrong and flamed him for refusing to hire people with certification, which wasn't the deal. Personally, I didn't want a code review job. All day long looking at Other People's Code(tm)? I'd end up killing someone. On 7/26/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi K, Sorry for the delayed reply... I was actually hoping some other folks would reply, but I don't recall seeing any replies on the list... I don't really have a lot of advice to offer, but I did want to make sure you got some kind of response. My experience has been that having much of my work behind someone else's firewall hasn't been an issue when I've looked for work, and that's including before I became a Team Macromedia volunteer and/or CF certified. In all honesty I'm not sure if the CF certification has done anything for me -- I've heard an anecdote about someone being passed up for a job because they were certified, so for all I know having the cert may have actually hindered me. I'm hoping it's the other way around. :) My own answer to being disatisfied with my job has been to try and work toward changing my job long-term, rather than focusing on the quick-fix of finding another job. That is, in my spare time I work on the software I want to work with in the hopes that it will eventually produce a secondary income source I can grow until it replaces my 9-5 job. In my experience it's not a quick solution. Asside from the fact that I can only work on it during what would otherwise be my leisure time, I've been at it off and on, mostly on (and with varying amounts of intent) for about 7 yrs now (more or less since I started working with CF). I think the fact that much of the early part of those 7 yrs was inexperienced and un-directed and much of hte middle part of those 7 years had been spent focusing on a large-scale enterprise CMS I was never able to sell probably hurt my overall goals. In the last 2 years in particular I've focused almost solely on the onTap framework, with the intent now of creating a larger number of smaller applications. I think this strategy of many small, affordable apps (a forum, a small CRM app, etc) will produce better results in the short-term than the previous strategy of one colossal enterprise application. Good luck. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2743 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF job/restarting a career
That anecdote may not be entirely accurate. Hey Jennifer... That's actually not the anecdote I was remembering... I was remembering a post to ... I think cf-community in which someone mentioned hearing from their boss after having been hired that the boss had passed up on hiring someone with the certification for his job. Though I don't remember if he said the manager had interviewed the person -- it seems like I remembered it being intimated that the guy wasn't interviewed, but that may be either a misremembrance on my part or simply bad information. But I distinctly remember the guy who posted the message saying praise the gods of certification because he seemed to believe that not having the cert. had been a crucial point in his being hired. Other than that I remember the rational being similar to what you mentioned from the BACFUG list. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2744 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
