RE: Does this seem really low?
At 12:00 AM 7/6/2005, you wrote: I don't know... Back when I was just learning things I was thinking I would rather get paid nothing and learn a new computer skill then do some mindless job like working at Dunkin Donuts. Back then, yes. Today, no. I've been doing web stuff for 9 years. That experience is worth more than $10 an hour. If I were in college or unskilled, the deal might appeal to me. -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2726 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Does this seem really low?
I like how it specifies that you will not be able to support yourself on this income, so if you are a homemaker looking for income to supplement the income made by your spouse (and you just happen to have three years of AS) or you have an existing part-time job that does support you (and you think you get paid way too much for that job), we want you! I really like how the URL at the end refuses connections. On 7/4/05, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By reading that job posting, ANY benifit would be considered decent. I know what walmart offers is a lot better than the nothing I get right now. On 7/4/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Decent benifits and Walmart don't go together... Adam H On 7/3/05, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer some decent benifits and take very little brain thought. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2713 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Does this seem really low?
Well I guess if I was a homemaker just looking for something to do and just happened to have the AS experience then I'd do it. Now if my wife would just get that high paying stable job so I can retire then I'd be applying :) On 7/5/05, Jennifer Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like how it specifies that you will not be able to support yourself on this income, so if you are a homemaker looking for income to supplement the income made by your spouse (and you just happen to have three years of AS) or you have an existing part-time job that does support you (and you think you get paid way too much for that job), we want you! I really like how the URL at the end refuses connections. On 7/4/05, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By reading that job posting, ANY benifit would be considered decent. I know what walmart offers is a lot better than the nothing I get right now. On 7/4/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Decent benifits and Walmart don't go together... Adam H On 7/3/05, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer some decent benifits and take very little brain thought. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2714 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Does this seem really low?
Or a student who happened to start learning at a very early age and just needs something to pad their resume. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2718 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Does this seem really low?
True, although from what I recall they wanted the person to be available for a lot of hours per week. Almost too many for a student if I am remembering the number right. On 7/5/05, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a student who happened to start learning at a very early age and just needs something to pad their resume. They demanded 20-60 hrs... so in other words we can't guarantee that we'll have enough work for you to live on -- but we expect you to guarantee that you'll be available (sitting around doing nothing important or certainly nothing else paid) for well more than the amount of time you would spend at a full-time job. These people have apparently smoked so much crack that you might be able to get a high just from breathing in the smell of their perspiration. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2721 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Does this seem really low?
Well from reading the original post, they say that they require 20 hours per week, while you can work up to 60 if you wish. So they don't demand 60 hours, just 20. I have a feeling that whoever works on this kind of arrangement either doesn't know what they're doing very well and therefore probably deserves $10 an hour, or are pretty adept at it, and can complete the task fairly quickly and just end up charging the company 60 hours a week when they probably work only half that or less. It seems a little dishonest, but paying $10 an hour for us based flash work is ridiculous. Russ -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:26 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Does this seem really low? True, although from what I recall they wanted the person to be available for a lot of hours per week. Almost too many for a student if I am remembering the number right. On 7/5/05, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or a student who happened to start learning at a very early age and just needs something to pad their resume. They demanded 20-60 hrs... so in other words we can't guarantee that we'll have enough work for you to live on -- but we expect you to guarantee that you'll be available (sitting around doing nothing important or certainly nothing else paid) for well more than the amount of time you would spend at a full-time job. These people have apparently smoked so much crack that you might be able to get a high just from breathing in the smell of their perspiration. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2722 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Does this seem really low?
Ahh... my mistake... still... I was approached recently by an overseas company advertising CF work (and similar) for $15/hr ... German I think... I don't remember for certain... but if I'm paying someone in an overseas country with a depressed economy and significantly lower cost of living $15, I can't see paying someone locally $10 with what it looked like they were expecting in terms of skills. An intern maybe, but that's a whole other ball-game, and I'd expect them to use the word intern in their add if that's what they want... Well from reading the original post, they say that they require 20 hours per week, while you can work up to 60 if you wish. So they don't demand 60 hours, just 20. I have a feeling that whoever works on this kind of arrangement either doesn't know what they're doing very well and therefore probably deserves $10 an hour, or are pretty adept at it, and can complete the task fairly quickly and just end up charging the company 60 hours a week when they probably work only half that or less. It seems a little dishonest, but paying $10 an hour for us based flash work is ridiculous. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2723 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Does this seem really low?
I don't know... Back when I was just learning things I was thinking I would rather get paid nothing and learn a new computer skill then do some mindless job like working at Dunkin Donuts. I don't know if someone with 3 years of experience should be getting paid $10 an hour, but like you said, it could be a good experience for an intern... -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:12 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: Does this seem really low? 3 years experience using Flash ActionScript. They must be looking for an intern. I was doing some work of this type in College. I was getting paid $20 per program and I was ecstatic. The programs were simple file parsing programs and I could write one in a couple hours, so I probably made about $10 an hour. At the time it was better than alternatives. Today, I'd rather work as a cashier at the local Dunkin' Donuts for $12 an hour. At 06:11 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: Ahh... my mistake... still... I was approached recently by an overseas company advertising CF work (and similar) for $15/hr ... German I think... I don't remember for certain... but if I'm paying someone in an overseas country with a depressed economy and significantly lower cost of living $15, I can't see paying someone locally $10 with what it looked like they were expecting in terms of skills. An intern maybe, but that's a whole other ball-game, and I'd expect them to use the word intern in their add if that's what they want... Well from reading the original post, they say that they require 20 hours per week, while you can work up to 60 if you wish. So they don't demand 60 hours, just 20. I have a feeling that whoever works on this kind of arrangement either doesn't know what they're doing very well and therefore probably deserves $10 an hour, or are pretty adept at it, and can complete the task fairly quickly and just end up charging the company 60 hours a week when they probably work only half that or less. It seems a little dishonest, but paying $10 an hour for us based flash work is ridiculous. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2725 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Does this seem really low?
Decent benifits and Walmart don't go together... Adam H On 7/3/05, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer some decent benifits and take very little brain thought. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2711 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Does this seem really low?
By reading that job posting, ANY benifit would be considered decent. I know what walmart offers is a lot better than the nothing I get right now. On 7/4/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Decent benifits and Walmart don't go together... Adam H On 7/3/05, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer some decent benifits and take very little brain thought. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2712 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Does this seem really low?
There are some jobs with Walmart that pay more than $10/hr and offer some decent benifits and take very little brain thought. On 7/3/05, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes I know people that work in our stores' deli deptartments cutting slices of Meat that make more than that w/ 20 hours a week. Course after union dues its probably less than $10/hour but still slicing deli meat vs creating OO flash apps...which one would you figure pays higher? Adam H On 7/3/05, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?rel_code=1102op=101dockey=xml/2/5/[EMAIL PROTECTED]source=2 $10 an hour for part time / consultant flash work. Must be flexible enough to provide between 20-60 hours a week. Must know Object Oriented Programming in Flash. You also have to provide all your own software. I read through this job post twice. Am I missing something obvious? -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2708 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Does this seem really low?
Details were in the link. It was marked as a telecommuting position, however I believe that a specified requirement was Located in the US or Canada, so technically there would be no competition from off-shore programmers. In Canada is this more reasonable? At 02:44 PM 7/3/2005, you wrote: $10 an hour for part time / consultant flash work. Must be flexible enough to provide between 20-60 hours a week. Must know Object Oriented Programming in Flash. You also have to provide all your own software. I read through this job post twice. Am I missing something obvious? Not to bring up the obvious, but is the job on-site? If not, you're competing with (and they're hoping to attract) off-shore programmers, whose wages may be in line with a much lower cost of living. Dave Merrill -- Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
