Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Mike D, that's terrible news about your cousin.. I hope you and her parents find some peace and comfort.. and you so didn't need certain people's drama right now.. you know your online peeps are here if you need us On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Michael Dinowitz mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote: Guys, I was busy with a funeral for my young cousin and didn't come down on this thread like I should have. One word here: STOP Stop with the fighting, the threats, the personal attacks, the various actions that have caused some people to leave this list. Stop now or I'll start banning people left and right. I'm trying to provide a resource for the community but if all it does is lead to flames and all then I'll just drop this list. I don't want to but all of this is harming much more than you, it's harming me, your fellow community members, and the ColdFusion itself. If people do a search for ColdFusion jobs and sees the stuff that's coming up on this list, they'll run for their lives. I'm going to ask this one more time. Lets keep this professional. Thank you Michael Dinowitz ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4460 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Really? Now you're REALLY going to quit the list? Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm sorry, Michael, for your predicament, really I am, but why do you insist on posting about it here. Do you think that is going to engender some legal advise? Ok, here's some legal advice - get a lawyer and stop posting here. Every time you post you open yourself to further legal attacks. Do yourself a favor if you are capable of listening to reason please stop posting here for your own good. So many here have ernestly suggested this course and yet you keep posting. Why? Is it an obsessive addiction to post, or is it because you feel like by doing so you will get someone to offer help? As I indicated before, I never post here because I rarely see much going on, but this particular thread seems to be immortal, and it's not just your fault, but all of ours. On the other hand it is also entertaining, albeit in a sick highway-accident kind of way. I hope it ends up just to a fender bender in the end and no one gets seriously hurt. Lawyer up, Michael, try the Legal Aid Society if you can't afford one on your own, they will do stuff pro-bono... On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Michael Firth mftr...@att.net wrote: Today, I was given the response, that the parties still plan to pursue legal action and to ensure that I am paying for the rest of my life regardless of how many apologies I try to make things right. I have since sent two letters begging for mercy. I guess now there really is no other option but to totally remove myself from this earth. Peace. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4453 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: other companies and developers to watch out for
Yea! Whew. I was getting worried there for a second. That being said, I think working titles for my script might be something like: The Poster Boy; Relentlessly Pursued; or A Fly in Your Ointment. Peace. -Original Message- From: Adam Cohen [mailto:a...@colony1.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:21 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: other companies and developers to watch out for This is untrue and ridiculous. Here is a copy of my off list response. Michael if you are serious please get help as it starting to seem like we should report this to authorities for your own protection. Call me if you are unclear re my position. Michael, I have no interest in further discussion with you. I hope your retraction is sufficient to eliminate any harm to me or my company that your libelous posts may have created. I have no desire to cause you harm - and never attempted to. I doubt you will hear from me further in any capacity, legal or otherwise. If an issue arises in the future whereby this comes into question by someone, I expect you will take prompt action to assist remedying it in the future as well. In the meantime as a fellow person I wish you well and hope you can get your life together. Watching this unfold has been a bit troubling and depressing. I have no interest in pursuing you and am not taking any action at this time. Adam On 2/4/2011 12:38 PM, Michael Firth wrote: Elliot and Adam, I am emailing the both of you once again in an attempt to find out if my retraction satisfies you or does more need to be done to avoid the joint petition. If you have not seen the retraction, it is at the bottom of the thread in question on houseoffusion. I will also devise something if you need it to for your website. I can only assume that continued non-response means yes that you are still planning to pursue legal action. As such, please have your lawyer call me at 770-432-7753 and i will give him a list of my assets, which you are free to pick and choose from. Not sure what your looking to get, but if it helps settle things please. If we are to go to court please note I will be defending myself and throw myself on the mercy of the court. Is it begging? Yes, because I cannot and will not put my family through this. Also, as a military veteran of 8 years I believe if you made your bed lie in it. I don't know what else to say that I have Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On Feb 4, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Michael Firth mftr...@att.net wrote: Today, I was given the response, that the parties still plan to pursue legal action and to ensure that I am paying for the rest of my life regardless of how many apologies I try to make things right. I have since sent two letters begging for mercy. I guess now there really is no other option but to totally remove myself from this earth. Peace. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4455 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Guys, I was busy with a funeral for my young cousin and didn't come down on this thread like I should have. One word here: STOP Stop with the fighting, the threats, the personal attacks, the various actions that have caused some people to leave this list. Stop now or I'll start banning people left and right. I'm trying to provide a resource for the community but if all it does is lead to flames and all then I'll just drop this list. I don't want to but all of this is harming much more than you, it's harming me, your fellow community members, and the ColdFusion itself. If people do a search for ColdFusion jobs and sees the stuff that's coming up on this list, they'll run for their lives. I'm going to ask this one more time. Lets keep this professional. Thank you Michael Dinowitz ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4457 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Goodbye and peace out. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4458 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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This is better than a Mexican soap opera... Something that apparently few people on this forum know is that it is practically impossible in the United States to successfully pursue legal action for Libel. I haven't even read what Michael purportedly wrote, which is being considered libel, but I would advise that any legal fees spent on pursuing a case of libel are wasted funds. On another note, I just confirmed today that our company is now looking to recruit a mid to senior level CF developer to work on our CF9 dev team. Importantly, this person would need to relocate to or be in Troy, Michigan...where you can live like Carlos Slim (going on the Mexican soap opera theme) on the salary of a Carl Smith. -Blake -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mftr...@att.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 3:04 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: other companies and developers to watch out for Today, I was given the response, that the parties still plan to pursue legal action and to ensure that I am paying for the rest of my life regardless of how many apologies I try to make things right. I have since sent two letters begging for mercy. I guess now there really is no other option but to totally remove myself from this earth. Peace. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4459 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Mr. Michael Firth -I was about to offer you an assignment ⦠until I saw this post ⦠http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:820 This is considered libel ⦠and I can ( and WILL ) sue you for Defamation. I have taken screen shots of this post and documented it, and you will be hearing from my lawyer. I am contacting the others you have also libeled and will be filing a joint petition. I suggest that you CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY from your posts and write a retraction. Elliott J Kayne CEO Online Corporation of America ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4440 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Okay this post is going against my better judgment, but here it goes: Mr. Kane, If I understand your email correctly, you are going to sue someone who has been without work for at least a month that I know of for libel. What kind of damages are you trying to recoup? Even if your awarded how will you collect? The individual has already screwed themselves out ever getting gainful employment via cf-jobs and your suit would just further marginalize them into desperation. With that said I have had several very good interactions with cf-jobbers both personal and business. At heart I think we a good group of people slow to anger and eager to help out. I hope we can remain the civil goodhearted folks I've known since joining. Mr. Firth, back away from the keyboard and cf-jobs. Think about what you want accomplish with your words. consider an apology and then volunteering your time on an open source project , blog about what your doing with them and focus on your studies. IMHO you need to rebuild your reputation and respect with this group of folks ad the coldfusion community at large. On 2/3/11 9:42 AM, Elliott Kayne wrote: Mr. Michael Firth -I was about to offer you an assignment ⦠until I saw this post ⦠http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:820 This is considered libel ⦠and I can ( and WILL ) sue you for Defamation. I have taken screen shots of this post and documented it, and you will be hearing from my lawyer. I am contacting the others you have also libeled and will be filing a joint petition. I suggest that you CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY from your posts and write a retraction. Elliott J Kayne CEO Online Corporation of America ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4441 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: other companies and developers to watch out for
It would be really terrific if all of this type of stuff could be shifted to cf-jobs-problems-annoyances. This kind of material needs to exit this thread. I'm not saying people might not have legitimate issues, but please take it somewhere else! Geoff Epstein RGB Software Inc -Original Message- From: Elliott Kayne [mailto:e...@onlinecorp.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:42 AM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: other companies and developers to watch out for Mr. Michael Firth -I was about to offer you an assignment ââ¬Â¦ until I saw this post ââ¬Â¦ http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:820 This is considered libel ââ¬Â¦ and I can ( and WILL ) sue you for Defamation. I have taken screen shots of this post and documented it, and you will be hearing from my lawyer. I am contacting the others you have also libeled and will be filing a joint petition. I suggest that you CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY from your posts and write a retraction. Elliott J Kayne CEO Online Corporation of America ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4442 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Please consider this a retraction of my previous statement and an apology to those who feel they have been harmed. Under the threat of legal action I cannot bear to put my family through that, so I must ask those who feel such steps are necessary to call it off and consider this my full apology. Also, let be noted that I have filled out a contact form request to remove me fully from this list because I wish no longer to be a member. This was done yesterday prior to the thread in questioned,but yet I am still waiting. There will be no more and that is a guarantee. Michael Firth Sworn on this date of Feb 3 2010 I ve accepted the fact that I will not probably get another job from this list so you know what who cares. So i might as well empty the closet on all those who I think have done a lot of damage to our career field. companies and developers to watch out for mediaspa - for whatever reason if you get on their bad side watch out colony1 - i ve added mr. adams company because he made an attempt at trying to crucify me in a public arena. i tried apologizing to no avail. i have also worked for adam in the past. i always thought we parted ways on a good note. guess i was wrong. talk about grudges. topofmind - this is an atlanta company that asked to interview twice then said we change our minds even though they told me they were going to hire me. heck i tried apologizing too even though they wronged me. oh well. elliot kayne - another gentleman that said he would hire me then backed out. wish you guys would make up your mind. by the way he runs onlinecorp.com and quickcart.com. watch out he will string you along too. superwarehouse.com - rand will talk to you but wont return your emails once hes made up his mind. ken fergurson - wow . an oldie but goodie. even had a few people asked about him. hope you didnt ruin your career either. maureen with a gmail address - another attempt at crucifying me. seems like a double standard here. you tell me i am disturbing you but you call me out in public too. I do want to thank the gentleman at Adobe who will remain nameless for the free copy of cfbuilder. Alas it wasn't meant to be. I do think there are more good people than bad, but the bad do leave an odor. So anyone who may have a question regarding the above I will give my perspective. I know i also hear from some of you but I dont really care because lets face i wont get a job from here and to be honest i dont think i want one. Mike Firth ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4443 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Please consider this a retraction of my previous statement and an apology to those who feel they have been harmed. Under the threat of legal action I cannot bear to put my family through that, so I must ask those who feel such steps are necessary to call it off and consider this my full apology. Also, let be noted that I have filled out a contact form request to remove me fully from this list because I wish no longer to be a member. This was done yesterday prior to the thread in questioned,but yet I am still waiting. There will be no more and that is a guarantee. Michael Firth Sworn on this date of Feb 3 2010 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid: Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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That's freakin' hilarious! Please don't go! This I better than anything on TV! On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Michael Firth mftr...@att.net wrote: Please consider this a retraction of my previous statement and an apology to those who feel they have been harmed. Under the threat of legal action I cannot bear to put my family through that, so I must ask those who feel such steps are necessary to call it off and consider this my full apology. Also, let be noted that I have filled out a contact form request to remove me fully from this list because I wish no longer to be a member. This was done yesterday prior to the thread in questioned,but yet I am still waiting. There will be no more and that is a guarantee. Michael Firth Sworn on this date of Feb 3 2010 I ve accepted the fact that I will not probably get another job from this list so you know what who cares. So i might as well empty the closet on all those who I think have done a lot of damage to our career field. companies and developers to watch out for mediaspa - for whatever reason if you get on their bad side watch out colony1 - i ve added mr. adams company because he made an attempt at trying to crucify me in a public arena. i tried apologizing to no avail. i have also worked for adam in the past. i always thought we parted ways on a good note. guess i was wrong. talk about grudges. topofmind - this is an atlanta company that asked to interview twice then said we change our minds even though they told me they were going to hire me. heck i tried apologizing too even though they wronged me. oh well. elliot kayne - another gentleman that said he would hire me then backed out. wish you guys would make up your mind. by the way he runs onlinecorp.com and quickcart.com. watch out he will string you along too. superwarehouse.com - rand will talk to you but wont return your emails once hes made up his mind. ken fergurson - wow . an oldie but goodie. even had a few people asked about him. hope you didnt ruin your career either. maureen with a gmail address - another attempt at crucifying me. seems like a double standard here. you tell me i am disturbing you but you call me out in public too. I do want to thank the gentleman at Adobe who will remain nameless for the free copy of cfbuilder. Alas it wasn't meant to be. I do think there are more good people than bad, but the bad do leave an odor. So anyone who may have a question regarding the above I will give my perspective. I know i also hear from some of you but I dont really care because lets face i wont get a job from here and to be honest i dont think i want one. Mike Firth ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4445 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: other companies and developers to watch out for
I think you can rest assured that if M.F. tells us NOT to trust someone... that we are most likely going to do the opposite. That said, his drama and all of the replies to it are getting seriously old. I filtered him and that works great... until people reply to him. I guess I just need to add a message body filter for his name. -Original Message- From: Elliott Kayne [mailto:e...@onlinecorp.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:42 AM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: other companies and developers to watch out for Mr. Michael Firth -I was about to offer you an assignment ââ¬Â¦ until I saw this post ââ¬Â¦ http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:820 This is considered libel ââ¬Â¦ and I can ( and WILL ) sue you for Defamation. I have taken screen shots of this post and documented it, and you will be hearing from my lawyer. I am contacting the others you have also libeled and will be filing a joint petition. I suggest that you CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY from your posts and write a retraction. Elliott J Kayne CEO Online Corporation of America ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4446 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Final post to those involved in possible legal action against me (in case you haven't received my emails): If your lawyers require my contact info, you may contact Mr. Kayne. He has my phone number. I have already gone ahead and deleted my email, mfsqlser...@gmail.com because I have yet to get any response from those involved. In addition, THIS IS MY FINAL POST, and will no longer visit here and can only hope my account is truly deleted. There is no need for a full legal suit because I am already to settle and all my assets are for your pickings. Kick the tire now, because most likely I won't be in my current address for very long given my situation. I will provide a full list and you can even have my car payment. I get the cat though. I don't what else to say, besides sorry again. two of you claim to wanting give me employment, but you gave me different impressions, be it good or bad. I have said what I needed to say. If you want everything go ahead take it because I am done. I am really done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4447 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I feel bad for the cat. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Michael Firth mftr...@att.net wrote: Final post to those involved in possible legal action against me (in case you haven't received my emails): If your lawyers require my contact info, you may contact Mr. Kayne. He has my phone number. I have already gone ahead and deleted my email, mfsqlser...@gmail.com because I have yet to get any response from those involved. In addition, THIS IS MY FINAL POST, and will no longer visit here and can only hope my account is truly deleted. There is no need for a full legal suit because I am already to settle and all my assets are for your pickings. Kick the tire now, because most likely I won't be in my current address for very long given my situation. I will provide a full list and you can even have my car payment. I get the cat though. I don't what else to say, besides sorry again. two of you claim to wanting give me employment, but you gave me different impressions, be it good or bad. I have said what I needed to say. If you want everything go ahead take it because I am done. I am really done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4450 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Hello, Bull_hit. I have been working with Adam (Colony One) for more than 5 years. He is tough on negotiations, but once agreement is in place and as long as one follows his part of the agreement, Adam will follow his part. I don't know anything about other guys you list here, as I didn't work with them, but I suspect that (as in Adam's case) God made them to crucify you. Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 2:07:44 AM, you wrote: man I ve accepted the fact that I will not probably get another job man from this list so you know what who cares. man So i might as well empty the closet on all those who I think man have done a lot of damage to our career field. man companies and developers to watch out for man mediaspa - for whatever reason if you get on their bad side watch out man colony1 - i ve added mr. adams company because he made an man attempt at trying to crucify me in apublic arena. i man tried apologizing to no avail. i have also worked for adam in man the past. i always thought we parted ways on a good note. guess man i was wrong. talk about grudges. man topofmind - this is an atlanta company that asked to interview man twice then said we change our minds even though they told me they man were going to hire me. heck i tried apologizing too even though they wronged me. oh well. man elliot kayne - another gentleman that said he would hire me then man backed out. wish you guys would make up your mind. by the way man he runs onlinecorp.com and quickcart.com. watch out he will string you along too. man superwarehouse.com - rand will talk to you but wont return your man emails once hes made up his mind. man ken fergurson - wow . an oldie but goodie. even had a few man people asked about him. hope you didnt ruin your career either. man maureen with a gmail address - another attempt at crucifying me. man seems like a double standard here. you tell me i am disturbing man you but you call me out in public too. man I do want to thank the gentleman at Adobe who will remain man nameless for the free copy of cfbuilder. Alas it wasn't meant to man be. I do think there are more good people than bad, but the bad do leave an odor. man So anyone who may have a question regarding the above I will man give my perspective. I know i also hear from some of you but I man dont really care because lets face i wont get a job from here and man to be honest i dont think i want one. man Mike Firth man ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4432 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Silence is the universal refuge, the sequel to all dull discourses and all foolish acts, a balm to our every chagrin, as welcome after satiety as after disappointment. ~ Henry David Thoreau On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:47 PM, sherri sonnier slsonn...@gmail.com wrote: but some of the reaction seemed to be just as unprofessional ABSOLUTELY. I have formed some not so positive impressions about several posters based on their responses. I never seem to see the email that starts the exchanges, but I sure do see the rest. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Levi Wallach l...@dvdmon.com wrote: I find it fascinating watching these exchanges take place. I used to code with Cold Fusion way back (99-'02) but haven't touched it since, but somehow remained a member of jobs-talk, but not of the general CF-Talk, probably because this list gets generally little traffic. So I guess I am getting only half of the conversation. It's obvious to me that Michael has annoyed a lot of people and doesn't seem to care, but at the same time other members are so affected by messages that otherwise seem benign, that it seems the whole situation has devolved into one that isn't on a professional level but a personal one. I wonder, whatever your opinion of Michael is, what good does it do to vent about it in a public forum, other than to blow of some steam (while at the same time presenting an unprofessional/negative aspect of your own demeanor)? Being on the Internet for abour 20 years now (and BBS's before that) has taught me a few things, some of them certainly useless, but a couple of them hopefully more useful. One is that it's hard to guage the tone of someone and easy to misunderstand meaning online due to lack of body language, etc. Because of this I always try to assume the best of intentions. Even if it's hard to see those positive intentions, I often try to keep from responding immediately myself if my reaction is strong and negative. Waiting until that initial emotional reaction has subsided, I can often think much more clearly and respond in a way that is more constructive than reactive. This is not to say that Michael didn't act unprofessionally, but some of the reaction seemed to be just as unprofessional. I did not see most of his messages on this list (cf-jobs-talk) that I can remember, but if I was seeing them on another list and got annoyed, I'd have either - 1) written the moderator to express my concerns, or 2) sent Michael a private note to express my concerns. Many of you may have done these things to no avail, but my final approach would have had 100% success: 3) create an email rule/filter to remove his messages. It's amazing to me that despite filtering technology like this being around for 20+ years, that ppl would still rather get into long arguments than simply opt out of a certain person's messages or discussion topics. This on a forum of highly tech-savvy folks. Since none of you probably recognize my name, it should be evident that I never post on these lists, and probably won't again for a while if ever, but something moved me to post about this (and perhaps I'll regret it later), so that perhaps some perspective from a semi-objective party might be useful in some way to a few of you. I know there's some irony in the fact I'm suggesting people not speak out here about these things and then doing just that, but just know there have been incidents in the past that I've considered commenting on but haven't, so pershaps this is just my one 'gaff' that proves my general practices are better than this exception ;-) This is really the first time if not ever, than in many years (and memory) that I recall posting about an issue like this. I certainly understand annoyance at unprofessional behavior and just idiotic behavior, but I also have experienced a lot of real-life passive aggressive stuff so I sometimes wonder whether some of the vitriol I see online is due to people who feel powerless (or make themselves powerless) to do something about situations in real life that they are annoyed at/offended by/etc. and so this gets transferred to a place they feel a bit more empowered to speak out? Or maybe that's just pop psyche BS, who knows. Anyway, I'll shut up now and hope no one takes this personally (although I'm a bit pessimistic :-( ). On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: Larry, Thanks for the tip. :) I didn't know about this site. :) On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Use justcoldfusionjobs.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4436 Subscription:
Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Add me to your list. I just think you are a big dickhead. Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:07 PM, mftr...@att.net mftr...@att.net wrote: I ve accepted the fact that I will not probably get another job from this list so you know what who cares. So i might as well empty the closet on all those who I think have done a lot of damage to our career field. companies and developers to watch out for mediaspa - for whatever reason if you get on their bad side watch out colony1 - i ve added mr. adams company because he made an attempt at trying to crucify me in a public arena. i tried apologizing to no avail. i have also worked for adam in the past. i always thought we parted ways on a good note. guess i was wrong. talk about grudges. topofmind - this is an atlanta company that asked to interview twice then said we change our minds even though they told me they were going to hire me. heck i tried apologizing too even though they wronged me. oh well. elliot kayne - another gentleman that said he would hire me then backed out. wish you guys would make up your mind. by the way he runs onlinecorp.com and quickcart.com. watch out he will string you along too. superwarehouse.com - rand will talk to you but wont return your emails once hes made up his mind. ken fergurson - wow . an oldie but goodie. even had a few people asked about him. hope you didnt ruin your career either. maureen with a gmail address - another attempt at crucifying me. seems like a double standard here. you tell me i am disturbing you but you call me out in public too. I do want to thank the gentleman at Adobe who will remain nameless for the free copy of cfbuilder. Alas it wasn't meant to be. I do think there are more good people than bad, but the bad do leave an odor. So anyone who may have a question regarding the above I will give my perspective. I know i also hear from some of you but I dont really care because lets face i wont get a job from here and to be honest i dont think i want one. Mike Firth ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4427 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: other companies and developers to watch out for
Does this mean you'll unsubscribe from the list? I'm sure a number of people have asked you to do so (respectfully). I sincerely wish you the best of luck in your next career choice. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:07 PM, mftr...@att.net mftr...@att.net wrote: I ve accepted the fact that I will not probably get another job from this list so you know what who cares. So i might as well empty the closet on all those who I think have done a lot of damage to our career field. companies and developers to watch out for mediaspa - for whatever reason if you get on their bad side watch out colony1 - i ve added mr. adams company because he made an attempt at trying to crucify me in a public arena. i tried apologizing to no avail. i have also worked for adam in the past. i always thought we parted ways on a good note. guess i was wrong. talk about grudges. topofmind - this is an atlanta company that asked to interview twice then said we change our minds even though they told me they were going to hire me. heck i tried apologizing too even though they wronged me. oh well. elliot kayne - another gentleman that said he would hire me then backed out. wish you guys would make up your mind. by the way he runs onlinecorp.com and quickcart.com. watch out he will string you along too. superwarehouse.com - rand will talk to you but wont return your emails once hes made up his mind. ken fergurson - wow . an oldie but goodie. even had a few people asked about him. hope you didnt ruin your career either. maureen with a gmail address - another attempt at crucifying me. seems like a double standard here. you tell me i am disturbing you but you call me out in public too. I do want to thank the gentleman at Adobe who will remain nameless for the free copy of cfbuilder. Alas it wasn't meant to be. I do think there are more good people than bad, but the bad do leave an odor. So anyone who may have a question regarding the above I will give my perspective. I know i also hear from some of you but I dont really care because lets face i wont get a job from here and to be honest i dont think i want one. Mike Firth ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4428 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Well said. Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Ray Champagne r...@raychampagne.com wrote: Add me to your list. I just think you are a big dickhead. Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:07 PM, mftr...@att.net mftr...@att.net wrote: I ve accepted the fact that I will not probably get another job from this list so you know what who cares. So i might as well empty the closet on all those who I think have done a lot of damage to our career field. companies and developers to watch out for mediaspa - for whatever reason if you get on their bad side watch out colony1 - i ve added mr. adams company because he made an attempt at trying to crucify me in a public arena. i tried apologizing to no avail. i have also worked for adam in the past. i always thought we parted ways on a good note. guess i was wrong. talk about grudges. topofmind - this is an atlanta company that asked to interview twice then said we change our minds even though they told me they were going to hire me. heck i tried apologizing too even though they wronged me. oh well. elliot kayne - another gentleman that said he would hire me then backed out. wish you guys would make up your mind. by the way he runs onlinecorp.com and quickcart.com. watch out he will string you along too. superwarehouse.com - rand will talk to you but wont return your emails once hes made up his mind. ken fergurson - wow . an oldie but goodie. even had a few people asked about him. hope you didnt ruin your career either. maureen with a gmail address - another attempt at crucifying me. seems like a double standard here. you tell me i am disturbing you but you call me out in public too. I do want to thank the gentleman at Adobe who will remain nameless for the free copy of cfbuilder. Alas it wasn't meant to be. I do think there are more good people than bad, but the bad do leave an odor. So anyone who may have a question regarding the above I will give my perspective. I know i also hear from some of you but I dont really care because lets face i wont get a job from here and to be honest i dont think i want one. Mike Firth ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4429 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
