Re: The next level...
I have seen some people talking about getting MBAs and then getting I think it is called PMI certified. Might be something worth looking into. I know at the place I do the bulk of my work that they are big into Six Sigma and recall a recent job posting I was looking at asking about the PMI deal. I am in a similar boat as you in that I have a ton of IT experience and I really think that the MBA plus the experience would amount for a lot. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Dave Phillips < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks all...I appreciate this discussion. > > You are right in that I had very little math classes (0 believe it or not). > So getting a BS in CS might actually take longer than an MBA would. I > would > hope that a prospective employer would recognize my 20 years of IT > experience along with my MBA and that it would be sufficient. I will look > into some other Masters programs though. I do think that the BSCS is > probably not a good idea. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:39 AM > To: CF-Jobs-Talk > Subject: Re: The next level... > > The school I am going to for this CIS degree had some tracts similar to > those and one for databases. Unfortunately by the time I got to the point > where I could take those classes they did away with the tracts and actually > are talking about changing it from a CIS to an MIS degree. Actually would > prefer the latter since it is simple more recognizable. The masters in > project management that I looked into was not a whole lot of credit hours. > It is designed to be taking after work and I think takes just one year to > finish up. I have heard of some MBA programs with a computer science focus > but never looked into them since not seen an local offering of those. What > I have seen though is anything that has a computer science focus has a lot > of math pre-requisites and typically just not classes people take in > business or in this case religion degrees. I'd think to go that route > would > take up a lot of time just to get the pre-requisites out of the way. > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > I am extremely fortunate. I am back in school full time for a new degree > > program called Information Design. It's a subset of the school's CS > > degree. > > There are 4 focuses one can choose from, including Web Application > > Development and Interactive Media (design, layout, graphics, etc.). From > > there, I plan on getting an MBA with a Project Management focus. It's > only > > 9 credit hours for the poject management thing at my school, so I believe > > it > > is a good investment of my time. Check with your college to see if they > > have something similar. Like Aaron said, you might be able to get by > with > > just that instead of redoing the entire CS degree, though that has its > > benifits as well. > > > > I never got my degree to begin with and am now making up for past > mistakes. > > Were I in your position, I would have serious reservations about spending > > the time to complete a second Bachelor's degree. Most colleges have a > > career advisor or two that will know what degrees are in demand and what > is > > useful for you and what is not. I suggest you talk to one of them. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dave Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:11 AM > > Subject: The next level... > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now. I've > > > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through > > design, > > > development, and implementation. I am now interested in making the > shift > > > into management. I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present > > > myself. Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, > but > > > it > > > was for my own company. I have since sold that company and have worked > > > for > > > other companies since 2005. > > > > > > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a > > BA > > > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway. I've considered going > > > back > > > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then > going > > > on > > > to get an MBA. I want to position myself to not only be a manager n
RE: The next level...
Thanks all...I appreciate this discussion. You are right in that I had very little math classes (0 believe it or not). So getting a BS in CS might actually take longer than an MBA would. I would hope that a prospective employer would recognize my 20 years of IT experience along with my MBA and that it would be sufficient. I will look into some other Masters programs though. I do think that the BSCS is probably not a good idea. Dave -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:39 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: The next level... The school I am going to for this CIS degree had some tracts similar to those and one for databases. Unfortunately by the time I got to the point where I could take those classes they did away with the tracts and actually are talking about changing it from a CIS to an MIS degree. Actually would prefer the latter since it is simple more recognizable. The masters in project management that I looked into was not a whole lot of credit hours. It is designed to be taking after work and I think takes just one year to finish up. I have heard of some MBA programs with a computer science focus but never looked into them since not seen an local offering of those. What I have seen though is anything that has a computer science focus has a lot of math pre-requisites and typically just not classes people take in business or in this case religion degrees. I'd think to go that route would take up a lot of time just to get the pre-requisites out of the way. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I am extremely fortunate. I am back in school full time for a new degree > program called Information Design. It's a subset of the school's CS > degree. > There are 4 focuses one can choose from, including Web Application > Development and Interactive Media (design, layout, graphics, etc.). From > there, I plan on getting an MBA with a Project Management focus. It's only > 9 credit hours for the poject management thing at my school, so I believe > it > is a good investment of my time. Check with your college to see if they > have something similar. Like Aaron said, you might be able to get by with > just that instead of redoing the entire CS degree, though that has its > benifits as well. > > I never got my degree to begin with and am now making up for past mistakes. > Were I in your position, I would have serious reservations about spending > the time to complete a second Bachelor's degree. Most colleges have a > career advisor or two that will know what degrees are in demand and what is > useful for you and what is not. I suggest you talk to one of them. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:11 AM > Subject: The next level... > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now. I've > > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through > design, > > development, and implementation. I am now interested in making the shift > > into management. I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present > > myself. Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but > > it > > was for my own company. I have since sold that company and have worked > > for > > other companies since 2005. > > > > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a > BA > > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway. I've considered going > > back > > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going > > on > > to get an MBA. I want to position myself to not only be a manager now, > > but > > also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the > > years to come. > > > > My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an > > impending acquisition of our company. As a result, moving up within my > > existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me. > > > > Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dave > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3974 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: The next level...
The school I am going to for this CIS degree had some tracts similar to those and one for databases. Unfortunately by the time I got to the point where I could take those classes they did away with the tracts and actually are talking about changing it from a CIS to an MIS degree. Actually would prefer the latter since it is simple more recognizable. The masters in project management that I looked into was not a whole lot of credit hours. It is designed to be taking after work and I think takes just one year to finish up. I have heard of some MBA programs with a computer science focus but never looked into them since not seen an local offering of those. What I have seen though is anything that has a computer science focus has a lot of math pre-requisites and typically just not classes people take in business or in this case religion degrees. I'd think to go that route would take up a lot of time just to get the pre-requisites out of the way. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I am extremely fortunate. I am back in school full time for a new degree > program called Information Design. It's a subset of the school's CS > degree. > There are 4 focuses one can choose from, including Web Application > Development and Interactive Media (design, layout, graphics, etc.). From > there, I plan on getting an MBA with a Project Management focus. It's only > 9 credit hours for the poject management thing at my school, so I believe > it > is a good investment of my time. Check with your college to see if they > have something similar. Like Aaron said, you might be able to get by with > just that instead of redoing the entire CS degree, though that has its > benifits as well. > > I never got my degree to begin with and am now making up for past mistakes. > Were I in your position, I would have serious reservations about spending > the time to complete a second Bachelor's degree. Most colleges have a > career advisor or two that will know what degrees are in demand and what is > useful for you and what is not. I suggest you talk to one of them. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:11 AM > Subject: The next level... > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now. I've > > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through > design, > > development, and implementation. I am now interested in making the shift > > into management. I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present > > myself. Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but > > it > > was for my own company. I have since sold that company and have worked > > for > > other companies since 2005. > > > > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a > BA > > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway. I've considered going > > back > > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going > > on > > to get an MBA. I want to position myself to not only be a manager now, > > but > > also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the > > years to come. > > > > My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an > > impending acquisition of our company. As a result, moving up within my > > existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me. > > > > Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dave > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3973 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: The next level...
I am extremely fortunate. I am back in school full time for a new degree program called Information Design. It's a subset of the school's CS degree. There are 4 focuses one can choose from, including Web Application Development and Interactive Media (design, layout, graphics, etc.). From there, I plan on getting an MBA with a Project Management focus. It's only 9 credit hours for the poject management thing at my school, so I believe it is a good investment of my time. Check with your college to see if they have something similar. Like Aaron said, you might be able to get by with just that instead of redoing the entire CS degree, though that has its benifits as well. I never got my degree to begin with and am now making up for past mistakes. Were I in your position, I would have serious reservations about spending the time to complete a second Bachelor's degree. Most colleges have a career advisor or two that will know what degrees are in demand and what is useful for you and what is not. I suggest you talk to one of them. - Original Message - From: "Dave Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: The next level... > Hi all, > > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now. I've > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through design, > development, and implementation. I am now interested in making the shift > into management. I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present > myself. Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but > it > was for my own company. I have since sold that company and have worked > for > other companies since 2005. > > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a BA > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway. I've considered going > back > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going > on > to get an MBA. I want to position myself to not only be a manager now, > but > also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the > years to come. > > My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an > impending acquisition of our company. As a result, moving up within my > existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me. > > Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed? > > Thanks! > > Dave ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3972 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: The next level...
I am not sold that getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering would be a huge stepping stone to management when you already have a 4 year degree and regardless of what it is in. Reason I am not sold is in all my years of doing IT work not one of my managers or their managers had an IT related degree. I'd go straight for the MBA. I have been looking into masters in project management since the local college offers that but so far everything I am finding leans more towards just doing the MBA. I too am in the position of wanting to get back into IT management, finishing up my first step of getting a CIS degree since I had no 4-year degree due to being a product of dot-coms(dropped out of school to do IT work that paid stupid amounts of money at the time). After I finish this up I have looked into a few possible routes the MBA, masters in project management, masters in computer science, or even a masters in CIS. Looking at job postings the masters in project management or CIS surprisingly are things companies want for management positions but still not 100% sold on those routes. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Dave Phillips < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now. I've > architected applications as well, taking them from concept through design, > development, and implementation. I am now interested in making the shift > into management. I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present > myself. Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but it > was for my own company. I have since sold that company and have worked for > other companies since 2005. > > > > Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a BA > in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway. I've considered going back > and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going > on > to get an MBA. I want to position myself to not only be a manager now, but > also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the > years to come. > > > > My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an > impending acquisition of our company. As a result, moving up within my > existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me. > > > > Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3971 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
The next level...
Hi all, I've been developing CF applications for over 10 years now. I've architected applications as well, taking them from concept through design, development, and implementation. I am now interested in making the shift into management. I'm not quite sure how to proceed and how to present myself. Several years ago, I did manager my own team of developers, but it was for my own company. I have since sold that company and have worked for other companies since 2005. Although I have 20 years of experience in IT, my Bachelor's degree is a BA in Religion and it is recent, from 2003 anyway. I've considered going back and getting a BS in Computer Science/Software Engineering, and then going on to get an MBA. I want to position myself to not only be a manager now, but also to be able to move into the director level position and above in the years to come. My current position is great, however, it may go away next year due to an impending acquisition of our company. As a result, moving up within my existing organization is probably not going to be an option for me. Any suggestions anyone has on how I should proceed? Thanks! Dave ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3969 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
