RE: A Contractor or Two
Plus the ones you give good deals to or give them slack are the ones who you are constantly chasing for payments or whatever. I have a client right now that i gave 75% off price and a year and a half to pay and then they came back and tried to not pay and have been bad mouthing me to everyone because I got my attorney after them for payment, needless to say we are settling tomorrow and they are getting checkbook out but still a PITA. And then the clients who want to pay full price are the ones that are on time with payment and little or no hassle. The problem is for the small guy to get those good clients because when you need business you will do about anything to get it, which leads to trouble and you end up with clients who are the buy here - pay here (aka bad credit car buyers) types of customers. And if you notice the busy shops or developers are the ones with a solid and firm price who don't discount everything which commands respect from the customers and they have far fewer hassles. ~Dave the disruptor~ google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:30 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: A Contractor or Two A few years ago I ran a small IT dealership. I learnt that problem customers stay problem customers, things never get better. And the longer you keep them on your books the worse it gets. While I was dealing with the idiots (and that's being kind) my competition was getting the good stuff. Had I had more sense and experience I would of dumped these idiots very early on and they would of been knocking on the door of my competitors and giving them the grief. Bad customers aren't just bad news because they pay late and their feedback to you is never good. The longer you keep them on your books the longer they are bad mouthing you behind your back to other potential customers. So get rid. I currently charge 50% up front and 50% on completion for development based on total project cost, not an hourly rate. The idea of the 10% on hold I think is really good, but I think 90 days is a bit long and I'd probably go for 30. I'm seeing some extremely wide variances in project costs in the market. From the stupidly cheap (how can they live on that level) to the incredibly expensive (the customer won't come back when he finds out he has been ripped off). So I am wondering what realistic rates are in the UK and would appreciate feedback. Thanks, Jenny ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227970 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
AMEN! I gave up on my computer hardware side-business after dealing with just one of these. I should have simply refused to sell them the system rather than deal with all the problems that this person kept causing. On 12/30/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few years ago I ran a small IT dealership. I learnt that problem customers stay problem customers, things never get better. And the longer you keep them on your books the worse it gets. While I was dealing with the idiots (and that's being kind) my competition was getting the good stuff. Had I had more sense and experience I would of dumped these idiots very early on and they would of been knocking on the door of my competitors and giving them the grief. Bad customers aren't just bad news because they pay late and their feedback to you is never good. The longer you keep them on your books the longer they are bad mouthing you behind your back to other potential customers. So get rid. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227971 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting logged off
Hi Tim. Do the terminals allow cookies to be set? If not you will need to pass the CFID and CFTOKEN on the URLs. Andrew. On 12/30/05, Tim Do [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, We have a training room that has 14 dummy terminals using different terminal services accounts to access the intranet. What I'm finding out is that users are getting logged off intermittenly. This issue only happens in that room. I'm not too sure on how these terminal service accounts work and how it may affect sessions. Could this be a possibility? Thoughts? Thanks, Tim ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227972 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
So I work out the number of hours I think it's going to take, add a big margin for error, then add another margin for error. Though I typically bid per project, I spend a lot of time figuring out exactly how many hours it's going to take me to complete something, and I've gotten to the point where I'm usually very close if the client gets me the stuff I need by their deadline and then leaves me alone to get their job done. I've also built up a decent library of widgets (press release apps, email newsletters, event calendars - along with their admin page - that sort of thing) that I can just pop into a site, add the proper CSS and it's done - and I've got a standard charge for those particular widgets. An event calendar is always going to be $xx.xx, as long as the functionality stays pretty much the same as my pre-built widget. I do add in a certain amount of slop to allow for a margin of error, and there's also certain clients that have a per hour a**hole fee that gets factored in as well, because I know it's going to take twice as long to get their job done because they won't leave me alone long enough to make any real progress. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227973 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
The problem is for the small guy to get those good clients because when you need business you will do about anything to get it, which leads to trouble and you end up with clients who are the buy here - pay here (aka bad credit car buyers) types of customers. AMEN BROTHER! Right on! :) WIll ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227974 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFSCRIPT Question
I have a large block of cfscript that I now have to add a stored procedure call into the middle of. I normally use cfstoredproc elsewhere but how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227975 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFSCRIPT Question
how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript? Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function. Paul ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227976 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFSCRIPT Question
I was sure I read that tags were allowed inside cfscript blocks somewhere, but it doesn't appear to work. -Original Message- From: Andy Mcshane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 10:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: CFSCRIPT Question I have a large block of cfscript that I now have to add a stored procedure call into the middle of. I normally use cfstoredproc elsewhere but how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227977 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFSCRIPT Question
how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript? Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function. Paul Now I feel stupid, knew it would be something simple! Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227978 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
OT: How long? SQL Server Full Text Index Population process
Hi, I'm creating a full text index on two fields in a 800,000 row table. The population has been in progress for 18 hours now, or so it says in SQL Server 2000's Catalog Status. Any indication on when this will conclude? Would I have better luck with Verity? Thanks in advance for any advice. Sincerely, Andrew ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227979 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: free mail server preferences
I just got an email from a client wondering how much longer it was going to take to get their site done...clients... always pushing speed ahead of quality...sacrificing long-term benefit for short term gain... ain't that the truth... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227980 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Contractor or Two
This process is of great interest to me. We work at it from month to month as our business grows and we do project estimates based on hourly ranges. I wrote a blog about it recently and it has some excellent comments attached about some other similar methods. I often refer potential customers to this blog so they can see (in the spirit of openess) how our numbers are derived. http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=aliasalias=project%20estimates The larger companies don't like the range so I use my methodology and simply offer the maximum as a flat amount - which they use as a basis for a P.O. Since we are usually doing projects under 100,000 this is fine with them. Needless to say I like the larger companies (ha). That being said, I have several long standing customers who have been with me for a very long time. Yes, they can be frustrating to deal with, but I remember when they were our bread and butter. I try to work with them and help to feel like things have not changed too much. -Mark -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: A Contractor or Two So I work out the number of hours I think it's going to take, add a big margin for error, then add another margin for error. Though I typically bid per project, I spend a lot of time figuring out exactly how many hours it's going to take me to complete something, and I've gotten to the point where I'm usually very close if the client gets me the stuff I need by their deadline and then leaves me alone to get their job done. I've also built up a decent library of widgets (press release apps, email newsletters, event calendars - along with their admin page - that sort of thing) that I can just pop into a site, add the proper CSS and it's done - and I've got a standard charge for those particular widgets. An event calendar is always going to be $xx.xx, as long as the functionality stays pretty much the same as my pre-built widget. I do add in a certain amount of slop to allow for a margin of error, and there's also certain clients that have a per hour a**hole fee that gets factored in as well, because I know it's going to take twice as long to get their job done because they won't leave me alone long enough to make any real progress. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227981 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFSCRIPT Question
Sounds like you are using cfscript unnecessarily. -Adam On 12/30/05, Andy Mcshane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript? Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function. Paul Now I feel stupid, knew it would be something simple! Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227982 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Contractor or Two
This has been a really interesting thread, in part because I've seen several messages from list members whose names I did not recognize. Are you all new members or just lurking most of the time? And do you use CF in your day-to-day business? George ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227983 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: free mail server preferences
-Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: free mail server preferences Hi Jim, That's interesting, when did that happen? I've only sys admined Exchange up to V5.5 which did have SMTP built in. Well... then I guess it must have been Exchange 2000 since that's where I started. ;^) Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227984 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
Only one of the clients I've spoken to in the last couple of years was ok with hourly rates. Maybe it's the mix of clients I see, but the rest all see charging by the hour as something of an open cheque. hehe...an open cheque for the always open project scope seems fair ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227985 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFSCRIPT Question
Is it ever actually necessary? :-) --Ben Adrocknaphobia wrote: Sounds like you are using cfscript unnecessarily. -Adam On 12/30/05, Andy Mcshane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript? Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function. Paul Now I feel stupid, knew it would be something simple! Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227986 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
This has been a really interesting thread, in part because I've seen several messages from list members whose names I did not recognize. Are you all new members or just lurking most of the time? And do you use CF in your day-to-day business? George Well I'm not a lurkerbut I have used CF full-time since 1998 version 3.1so yeah...I use it in my day-to-day business ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227987 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
I am so very late on this thread Very interesting Mark, great post on the blog I plan to re-read it. Thx, Yves On 12/30/05, Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This process is of great interest to me. We work at it from month to month as our business grows and we do project estimates based on hourly ranges. I wrote a blog about it recently and it has some excellent comments attached about some other similar methods. I often refer potential customers to this blog so they can see (in the spirit of openess) how our numbers are derived. http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=aliasalias=project%20estimates The larger companies don't like the range so I use my methodology and simply offer the maximum as a flat amount - which they use as a basis for a P.O. Since we are usually doing projects under 100,000 this is fine with them. Needless to say I like the larger companies (ha). That being said, I have several long standing customers who have been with me for a very long time. Yes, they can be frustrating to deal with, but I remember when they were our bread and butter. I try to work with them and help to feel like things have not changed too much. -Mark ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227988 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Contractor or Two
tanks! -Original Message- From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: A Contractor or Two I am so very late on this thread Very interesting Mark, great post on the blog I plan to re-read it. Thx, Yves On 12/30/05, Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This process is of great interest to me. We work at it from month to month as our business grows and we do project estimates based on hourly ranges. I wrote a blog about it recently and it has some excellent comments attached about some other similar methods. I often refer potential customers to this blog so they can see (in the spirit of openess) how our numbers are derived. http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=aliasalias=project%20estimates The larger companies don't like the range so I use my methodology and simply offer the maximum as a flat amount - which they use as a basis for a P.O. Since we are usually doing projects under 100,000 this is fine with them. Needless to say I like the larger companies (ha). That being said, I have several long standing customers who have been with me for a very long time. Yes, they can be frustrating to deal with, but I remember when they were our bread and butter. I try to work with them and help to feel like things have not changed too much. -Mark ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227989 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
SVN/CFEclipse question
I use the Subclipse plugin with CFEclipse to work with my code repository. Without warning me, my IT manager reassigned the IP address of the SVN server while I had several files checked out. I was stupid enough to configure my repository address by IP rather than machine name, so now I need to know how I can modify the SVN repository URL within my CFEclipse project file. I've checked the project properties and can't find any easy way. Is there a way, or do I have to create a new project from scratch? If so, how should I best manage the files I have checked out so I don't lose my changes? Thanks,, Paul ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227990 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
HTML In Application.cfm
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the Application.cfm file. I am wondering what the logic is behind that thinking. I make use of the Application.cfm file to display the navigation bar at the top of my pages (image maps, etc.) I have been doing this for years without a problem that I can detect. What is the consensus? Should I merely use a CFINCLUDE in the application.cfm for my navigation bar? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227991 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Contractor or Two
On 12/29/05, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only one of the clients I've spoken to in the last couple of years was ok with hourly rates. Maybe it's the mix of clients I see, but the rest all see charging by the hour as something of an open cheque. ... They want to have a cap on what they are going to pay. Absolutely. If you go hourly your clients have to either know your work from past experience, and already trust you, or know you from a referrral, or be impressed by their meeting with you. If I was just starting out I don't think I could get away with hourly billing. So I work out the number of hours I think it's going to take, add a big margin for error, then add another margin for error. That was my 'old' way of doing it and I tell clients right up front that if they want a fixed cost this is how I will derive it, emphasizing that while an hourly rate on a project is scary, if they want a fixed cost this is how its figured up in the business. They can avoid the overage guesstimates by having faith, paying only for what they incur and very likely saving money. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227992 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
If it works, stick with it. Ade -Original Message- From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: HTML In Application.cfm I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the Application.cfm file. I am wondering what the logic is behind that thinking. I make use of the Application.cfm file to display the navigation bar at the top of my pages (image maps, etc.) I have been doing this for years without a problem that I can detect. What is the consensus? Should I merely use a CFINCLUDE in the application.cfm for my navigation bar? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227993 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the display tier. I would say that while doing this is certainly possible its the wrong tool for the job. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227994 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the display tier. I would say that while doing this is certainly possible its the wrong tool for the job. I'll 2nd Matt's reply. CF does allow developers to do some things that work, but really shouldn't be done. ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227995 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
That isn't really an answer however. You are saying not to do it, but why not? Is it personal preference or is there a specific reason why this is to be avoided. I use it myself as well when I need something at the top of every page (and to check security to make sure you can view that page as well). Is there any real problem with doing this except that it doesn't fit in with the idea of what you say it should be like? Original Message: - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:45:28 -0800 To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the display tier. I would say that while doing this is certainly possible its the wrong tool for the job. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227996 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
But what is your rationale for the opinion that it should not be done? It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the top of each and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more bass-ackwards than merely placing the code in question in the Application.cfm. I am all for learning a better way to do things, but I need something more substantial than I don't do it because I don't think it should be done. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227997 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Wireframing Recommendations?
We are really feeling the need to get some wireframing going on our projects. I did some preliminary searches and found different CF based ones. Any recommendations out there? And any specific reading/training recommendations to help get some less-experienced team members on how to properly wireframe? Thanks! Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner 2081 Industrial Blvd StillwaterMN55082 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.ejhassociates.com tel: 651.207.1526 fax: 651.207.1536 mob: 952.210.9060 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227998 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Contractor or Two
This thread has been invaluable as we have been struggling with estimating, etc. We've been using CF since 3.1. So we use it day to day, no doubt. Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner 2081 Industrial Blvd StillwaterMN55082 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.ejhassociates.com tel: 651.207.1526 fax: 651.207.1536 mob: 952.210.9060 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. -Original Message- From: Earl, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: A Contractor or Two This has been a really interesting thread, in part because I've seen several messages from list members whose names I did not recognize. Are you all new members or just lurking most of the time? And do you use CF in your day-to-day business? George ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227999 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Application.cfm is a file that runs on every cfm page. Anything you do that should be done on every page can be moved to the application file. If you want to keep the display code separate from the logic, use an include or a tag to display it, but feel free to put it in there. I see no reason to clutter every page of a site with something that can be done once in a single file. Once the something becomes conditional (not on every page), then you need to decide how much conditional code you want to run in the application file. But site-wide headers and footers, and even logging, make good sense in the Application/OnRequestEnd. IMHO. On 12/30/05, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the display tier. I would say that while doing this is certainly possible its the wrong tool for the job. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228000 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
There is nothing technically wrong with placing html or any other display layer code in the Application.cfm. SOME developer believe that you should never mix action / object code with display code. This is simply personal coding practice rules that many people live by. They are in no way right or wrong, it again comes down to what works for you and your applications. I say, why not use the Application.cfm as a place to put valid code that needs to be on every page of your application, I mean, it is already included in every page of your application. Just my 2 cents. -- Alan Rother Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228001 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SVN/CFEclipse question
3 guesses... 1). Did you try to change the server address from the Subclipse servers view? That's probably your best bet. Change it and restart (just in case), and see if you can check in/out. 2). find the config file that has the ip address of your old SVN server. These things are usually XML files, but I don't have subclipse installed here, so I can't help you with it. I would search your eclipse folder as well as your workspace (you'll probably find it in the latter). 3). Add the new server, check out the files from your new repository, copy and paste your old files (the modified ones) over your new ones. Check in. One of those is bound to work :) -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 12/30/05, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the Subclipse plugin with CFEclipse to work with my code repository. Without warning me, my IT manager reassigned the IP address of the SVN server while I had several files checked out. I was stupid enough to configure my repository address by IP rather than machine name, so now I need to know how I can modify the SVN repository URL within my CFEclipse project file. I've checked the project properties and can't find any easy way. Is there a way, or do I have to create a new project from scratch? If so, how should I best manage the files I have checked out so I don't lose my changes? Thanks,, Paul ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228002 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
That isn't really an answer however. You are saying not to do it, but why not? Is it personal preference or is there a specific reason why this is to be avoided. I use it myself as well when I need something at the top of every page (and to check security to make sure you can view that page as well). Is there any real problem with doing this except that it doesn't fit in with the idea of what you say it should be like? Sure he gave you a reason...seperate processing/business logic from the display tier. Application.cfm is really meant (but not enforced) for security, session management, and application settings like global vars etc. You can also have CFCs output display codebut it's also a bad practice. Think of this scenariowhat if you have a page you don't want to show the header on (pop-up window containing a file upload interfaceyou don't want a header and menu in that window). You have to Add some mechanism to hide the display code in certain circumstances to stop the header/menu from displaying when using application.cfm to disaply them: If you use a display template (which includes your header/menu file(s)) for all main window pages, all you need to do is make the pop-up a seperate file from your main site template and no hooks are required. So if you have display code in Application.cfm you have to perform conditional checks on EVERY page request to show or hide that display (if that flexibility is required). If you properly seperate out the display code you do NOT have to perform that additional conditional check on every page request. This is a rather simplistic examplebut I think you'll see that you can end up adding complexity and overhead because of doing things that are possible but not a good practice ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228003 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Wireframing Recommendations?
Fusebuilder.net It's a great product and there are some Flash-based tutorials showing how to do some of the basics. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228004 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
But what is your rationale for the opinion that it should not be done? It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the top of each and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more bass-ackwards than merely placing the code in question in the Application.cfm. I am all for learning a better way to do things, but I need something more substantial than I don't do it because I don't think it should be done. Well Tim having 2400 pages that are not run based on a site template or that don't include a standard header/footer is the bass-ackwards way of doing things ;-) How I structure an app: index.cfm is the site layout template...it includes header/footer/menu etc. I pass around a URL var called pg which is the file name I want included for content (I always perform a FileExists() check and if not kick user to a page not found page). If I want to change the look over EVERY page I just edit index.cfm (or one of the included header/footer/menu files). Hope this sheds some light ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228005 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Thanks for the example Bryan. In my experience, the situation you describe has, in fact, come up from time to time. It has happened so infrequently however that I have gotten away with creating a directory (usually a subdirectory of the directory containing the calling page) on my site called NoHeader. This directory has a blank Application.cfm and a blank OnRequestEnd.cfm. Any pages that meet the criteria you describe are placed in that directory. I am by no means convinced that my method is sound or logical or acceptible. It has turned into one of those things that has worked so well for so many years that I cannot justify changing it without a little convincing. When I sit back and become more objective about it, though, I can see where an application with logic far removed from mine would probably suffer from the arrangement I have applied here. Thus, I am not about to suggest that you are wrong. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228006 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
I've just had a thought... if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't want a sub application, cfcontent reset=true, no more header :OD Ade -Original Message- From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 17:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm Thanks for the example Bryan. In my experience, the situation you describe has, in fact, come up from time to time. It has happened so infrequently however that I have gotten away with creating a directory (usually a subdirectory of the directory containing the calling page) on my site called NoHeader. This directory has a blank Application.cfm and a blank OnRequestEnd.cfm. Any pages that meet the criteria you describe are placed in that directory. I am by no means convinced that my method is sound or logical or acceptible. It has turned into one of those things that has worked so well for so many years that I cannot justify changing it without a little convincing. When I sit back and become more objective about it, though, I can see where an application with logic far removed from mine would probably suffer from the arrangement I have applied here. Thus, I am not about to suggest that you are wrong. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228007 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
No argument there either. When I started this intranet application close to ten years ago there were few enough pages to where a site template would have been akin to putting an elevator in an outhouse. No chance of going back now Well Tim having 2400 pages that are not run based on a site template or that don't include a standard header/footer is the bass-ackwards way of doing things ;-) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228008 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SVN/CFEclipse question
I haven't used Subclipse, but in TortoiseSVN you would do the relocate command. I'm guessing subclipse should have something similar. -Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SVN/CFEclipse question I use the Subclipse plugin with CFEclipse to work with my code repository. Without warning me, my IT manager reassigned the IP address of the SVN server while I had several files checked out. I was stupid enough to configure my repository address by IP rather than machine name, so now I need to know how I can modify the SVN repository URL within my CFEclipse project file. I've checked the project properties and can't find any easy way. Is there a way, or do I have to create a new project from scratch? If so, how should I best manage the files I have checked out so I don't lose my changes? Thanks,, Paul ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228009 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Hey Tim, Yep...alot does depend on the size/complexity of the app. I've built a lot of very large and complex apps with wildy different display needs depending on where the user is at. You hit a point at which the boy this works great turns into wow was that a bad way to structure things. That said I got lots of advice from better programmers than I early on in my careerso I've always done my best to seperate things the right way from scratch...then if requirements change you don't have to do an app tear down and re-factor..just start using the built-in scalability and away I go ;-) This debate is very similar to which language is bestdepends on the requirementsbest tool for the job. ;-) and of course there there is a lot of value in the old saying...If it ain't broke...don't fix it ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228010 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I've just had a thought... if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't want a sub application, cfcontent reset=true, no more header :OD Ade still a workaround...extra processing when it's not needed ;-) and that was just a simple example...there are many far more complex reasons that I just don't have time to convey today. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228011 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
a...one of those sites...been there...have the scars to prove it ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228012 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFSCRIPT Question
Probably not, could be debated that it was on older versions of CF. I personally am a cfscript nazi, use it a lot more than I really should. On 12/30/05, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it ever actually necessary? :-) --Ben ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228013 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Ah but only when you request the pop-up! :OD -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 19:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm I've just had a thought... if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't want a sub application, cfcontent reset=true, no more header :OD Ade still a workaround...extra processing when it's not needed ;-) and that was just a simple example...there are many far more complex reasons that I just don't have time to convey today. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228014 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Wireframing Recommendations?
I'd second that. I've been working with Fusebuilder for the past few months and it's a great product. Every time I think of something that could be helpful, I let Mike (FB author) know and it turns out that he's already implemented. It's a very thought-out product and has helped us greatly with its wireframing features. Plus, now he's implemented AJAX which speeds things up. Mike Damien McKenna wrote: Fusebuilder.net It's a great product and there are some Flash-based tutorials showing how to do some of the basics. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228015 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Ah but only when you request the pop-up! :OD LOL...still extra at time of call ;-) save those milliseconds!! Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228016 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
N, milliseconds are people too you know! They need to work! They have mini-milliseconds (or should that be nanoseconds) to feed!! -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 19:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm Ah but only when you request the pop-up! :OD LOL...still extra at time of call ;-) save those milliseconds!! Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228017 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I've only been using CF for a little over a year at work and at home. Just a disclaimer. :) My response would be that if you have a fairly large application where it is important to keep your action and content code separate, then it is well worth the time to learn and deploy Fusebox. With a healthy application of Fusebox and CSS, it's possible to keep 99% of your action, query, content, and display(styles) code separate. You'd be able to apply all the headers, footers, siders, upers and downers you wanted without messing with Application.cfm. Clearly though, with already-active 2400 page intranet, that's not a feasable suggestion. Sorry. :( I usually cringe when I hear about people coding a certain way because it works. That is what makes the W3C cry itself to sleep every night. But in this case, you're not breaking any official standards, per se, only a vague standard that other coders have imposed on themselves. And Adobe isn't likely to change the functionality of Application.cfm any time soon. So I say go for it. :) On 12/30/05, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah but only when you request the pop-up! :OD -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 19:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm I've just had a thought... if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't want a sub application, cfcontent reset=true, no more header :OD Ade still a workaround...extra processing when it's not needed ;-) and that was just a simple example...there are many far more complex reasons that I just don't have time to convey today. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228018 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the Application.cfm file. I am wondering what the logic is behind that thinking. I make use of the Application.cfm file to display the navigation bar at the top of my pages (image maps, etc.) I have been doing this for years without a problem that I can detect. What is the consensus? Should I merely use a CFINCLUDE in the application.cfm for my navigation bar? There are several reasons why you might not want to place display code within Application.cfm. One is to avoid mixing display and application logic. Another is that, as your application grows, the likelihood that you'll want the exact same display added to every page decreases; for example, when you're downloading a file via CFCONTENT, or displaying a popup window. Now, as problems go, these are pretty minor, and can be worked around pretty easily. However, most people try to structure their applications so that they have as few workarounds as they can, and this becomes more important as your application grows in size and complexity. I wouldn't worry too much about this one way or the other, though. That is, I wouldn't go back to existing applications and rewrite them to avoid this. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228019 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: bas64Decode
OK, I feel like a moron now! Thanks for pointing me the right way George On 12/29/05, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cfset str = tobase64(This is the string) cfset str = tostring(tobinary(str)) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: bas64Decode All, I have a base64-encoded string which I need to decode. I can't seem to find a CF function that actually does this. Any ideas? Thanks, George ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228020 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the Application.cfm file. Like many Never do or Always do, this is purely a matter of religon ;-) The only reason for not putting HTML in Application.cfm, is if the code is not intended to be used in every page. I would even say that keeping the display code separated from the logic by principle, is againt the basic philosopy behind CF and its nature. CF is a *dynamic HTML language*, the logic is in the dynamic part, so trying to separate the dynamic from the HTML is nothing but that some sort of academic and idle exercice. Furthermore, CF is THE language in which the HTML and the logic are THE MOST integrated, and this is one of the main reasons we all like it so much, so why going against it? This is my opinion,... and I share it ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228021 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Sure he gave you a reason...seperate processing/business logic from the display tier. Ok, fine, then why seperate processing/business logic from the display? This is not a reason, this is just another way to rephrase the question... Just like Who created the world?... The Creator... ah OK, fine ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228022 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SVN/CFEclipse question
Hey, perfect! I have TortoiseSVN as well and was able to use relocate to commit my latest revisions, then just deleted the CFEclipse project and created a new one pointing to the proper SVN repository URL. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SVN/CFEclipse question I haven't used Subclipse, but in TortoiseSVN you would do the relocate command. I'm guessing subclipse should have something similar. -Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SVN/CFEclipse question I use the Subclipse plugin with CFEclipse to work with my code repository. Without warning me, my IT manager reassigned the IP address of the SVN server while I had several files checked out. I was stupid enough to configure my repository address by IP rather than machine name, so now I need to know how I can modify the SVN repository URL within my CFEclipse project file. I've checked the project properties and can't find any easy way. Is there a way, or do I have to create a new project from scratch? If so, how should I best manage the files I have checked out so I don't lose my changes? Thanks,, Paul ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228023 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
if you have a fairly large application where. But WHY it is important to keep your action and content code separate in a large application? Does it make it less large? ;-) The main reason to keep anything away from the rest is because you are using it at many places, so you put it somewhere in a function, a custom tag, an include or anything else, including Application.cfm, but this stands for CF code and HTML as well. Still no reason to separate the code from the HTML. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228024 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Ok, fine, then why seperate processing/business logic from the display? This is not a reason, this is just another way to rephrase the question... Because it makes your code easier to maintain? Because it lets you change one without affecting the other? To follow your argument to its logical conclusion, why write APIs and interfaces at all? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228025 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Because it makes your code easier to maintain? This is also the reason one would put HTML in the application.cfm, at only one place: easier to maintain. Since the purpose of CF is to produce HTML, I do not see how it can be easier to maintain if CF code is separated from HTML ;-/ -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228026 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
But WHY it is important to keep your action and content code separate in a large application? Does it make it less large? ;-) If you were building a house made from brick, you could use lots of regular-sized bricks, or you could use one gigantic brick. Most people would find the former a more workable option. The main reason to keep anything away from the rest is because you are using it at many places, so you put it somewhere in a function, a custom tag, an include or anything else, including Application.cfm, but this stands for CF code and HTML as well. Still no reason to separate the code from the HTML. There are other reasons why you might write separate modules, other than reuse. One common reason is simplification - it's just easier to work with a module that does one thing. You immediately know where to go to change how that one thing works, for example. If you find that you need to do that one thing elsewhere, it's easy to do if you've followed this approach. And, it's common in web applications for views to change independent of business logic and vice-versa. So why would you want to stick them together in one big undifferentiated mass of code? For example, a coworker had to add support for RSS and mobile devices to a huge site last week. He was able to do it very quickly, because all he had to do was write a separate set of display code. He didn't have to worry about how it would affect the existing display code or the business logic of the application. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228027 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
This is also the reason one would put HTML in the application.cfm, at only one place: easier to maintain. Since the purpose of CF is to produce HTML, I do not see how it can be easier to maintain if CF code is separated from HTML ;-/ I disagree with your contention that the purpose of CF is to produce HTML. I would instead say that the purpose of CF is to build web applications. Web applications don't just produce HTML, they interact with databases and do all sorts of other things. HTML generation is just one small part of what web applications do. I've had to work on existing applications which combine presentation and business logic, and it hasn't been a pleasant experience. If it's been pleasant for you, by all means, feel free to continue. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228028 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I've been creating a layout cfc lately, then calling showHeader(), showLeftMenu(), etc.. Seems to work great. Then for content, I built a productdisplay cfc for instance. listCategories(), listProducts(), etc... Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228029 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Amen Dave!! Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228030 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Because it makes your code easier to maintain? This is also the reason one would put HTML in the application.cfm, at only one place: easier to maintain. Since the purpose of CF is to produce HTML, I do not see how it can be easier to maintain if CF code is separated from HTML ;-/ So Clause...how are these different then: -header included via Application.cfm -header included via site teamplte file BOTH will include the header and only in one placeso why not use the best practice and include it via the template and not Application.cfm?? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228031 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Why do we have rooms in our houses dedicated to different things? Why do we have neat little plastic things to keep our knives, forks, and spoons separate? It's all organization. No, it doesn't make it less large, but it does make it feel less large. If I get an error, I will know exactly where to go to fix it, rather than scrolling through 10,000 lines of code to find the culprit. On 12/30/05, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you have a fairly large application where. But WHY it is important to keep your action and content code separate in a large application? Does it make it less large? ;-) The main reason to keep anything away from the rest is because you are using it at many places, so you put it somewhere in a function, a custom tag, an include or anything else, including Application.cfm, but this stands for CF code and HTML as well. Still no reason to separate the code from the HTML. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228032 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Amen Dave part deux!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228033 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Dave, I made your brick quote my last blog of the year (probably). very succinct :) -mark -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm But WHY it is important to keep your action and content code separate in a large application? Does it make it less large? ;-) If you were building a house made from brick, you could use lots of regular-sized bricks, or you could use one gigantic brick. Most people would find the former a more workable option. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228034 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
I would think that there would be location issues with HTML in Application.cfm. Meaning: you would need to fully qualify all of the image urls in the HTML. You might be better off setting a header at the server. Scott A. Stewart ColdFusion Developer GNSI 11820 Parklawn Dr Rockville, MD 20852 (301) 770-9610 -Original Message- From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm But what is your rationale for the opinion that it should not be done? It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the top of each and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more bass-ackwards than merely placing the code in question in the Application.cfm. I am all for learning a better way to do things, but I need something more substantial than I don't do it because I don't think it should be done. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
for example if you do that then say when u add a text editor the header and footer will try to squeeze into the textarea and then u gotta go back and reorganize the whole thing. for someone like will its no big deal cause you'd only have like 4 pages in the whole app to change lol ~Dave the disruptor~ google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228036 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Fax/PDF Form/CF and more
Hey All, I'm looking into building a process with the following bits: PDF FORM -filled in by user -each form generates a unique barcode or ID and displays on the form -some of the fields are calculated (based on input in other fields) -form has send button to package up the form data and send to an e-mail account OR send via HTTP FAX -user must print the completed PDF form and get multiple signatures on it -fax in the form via a fax service (I'd expect the TIFF to arrive in a mailbox which CF could check) CF and MORE -grab the fax TIFF from the mailbox -CFEXECUTE (or another process) to read the bar code or OCR the unigue ID off the faxed form -convert TIFF to PDF (I can do this already with iText) -store file reference against the data sent by the PDF form So this whole process allows a signed copy of the form to be stored digitally along with the data sent in by the form creating an automatic paperless process. PARTS I'M LOOKING FOR SOME INSIGHT ON -creation of PDF forms that meet my requirements (via an IDE or programmatically) -bar code or OCR process that CF can kick off (what app to use to perform these tasks) Any and all insight welcome (especially from someone that's built a process like what I've outlined). I'm off to do my own research...but I always ask here first ;-) TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228037 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bas64Decode
No problem... we all had to learn it somewhere down the line ;-) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bas64Decode OK, I feel like a moron now! Thanks for pointing me the right way George On 12/29/05, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cfset str = tobase64(This is the string) cfset str = tostring(tobinary(str)) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: bas64Decode All, I have a base64-encoded string which I need to decode. I can't seem to find a CF function that actually does this. Any ideas? Thanks, George ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228038 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
On 12/30/05, Tim Claremont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the top of each and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more bass-ackwards than merely placing the code in question in the Application.cfm. Yes, that would be crazy, but needing to do so in the first place would be an indicator of a bad system design. Do it right, and you only have one main display template for each major section of your site (or one for the whole thing). Thats the page where the header include goes. If you have other variants which require display (say, for example, a login screen or a 'you-forgot-to-fill-in-the-form-field' page) then you would re-use the header (and footer) templates there as well (but not the menu). What you wind up with is a structured approach to building a page display that doesn't rely on workarounds, is light on resources blah blah. Someone mentioned dumping pages into a subfolder where that subfolder has a blank /Application.cfm and OnRequestEnd.cfm as blocks. Thats great so long as you aren't doing anything that needs any session-specific information, or application-var-based settings like paths, or root urls, or user login info, or time-zone settings or... For me that would be a mighty short list. If the application is a simple one then OK, you have a workaround, but one that is going to have to be reinvented if you decide to do anything that isn't, dare I say it, rudimentary. I guess it boils down to always choosing an architecture where you don't have any obvious ceilings to bump into. (BTW I am not a proponent of Fusebox as an answer to the problem). Now, if I were walking into a job that someone else had built over 10 years and was stuck with the architecture, I wouldn't rebuild it for the sake of doing it, but I sure wouldn't build anything else like that if I could help it. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228039 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
I would disagree with that...depending on your design model, it is a good way to include headers instead of having to write an include statement on every page. Eric -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 11:52 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the display tier. I would say that while doing this is certainly possible its the wrong tool for the job. I'll 2nd Matt's reply. CF does allow developers to do some things that work, but really shouldn't be done. ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228040 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
BOTH will include the header and only in one placeso why not use the best practice and include it via the template and not Application.cfm?? Who said it is the best practice? If you consider Application.cfm as tool which can (among many other things) generate a header, why is it so evil to let it generate the header ? Of course, if you need different headers depending on parts of the application, then CFINCLUDE them... OR store the different parts of your application in differnet directories, and... use a specific Application.cfm to generate the particular headers ;-) This is MY best practice. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228041 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I would disagree with that...depending on your design model, it is a good way to include headers instead of having to write an include statement on every page. Eric and Eric if you use a site template for layout you only incluude the header oncein the template ;-) So NOT on every page. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228042 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
MVC Design says it's best practice... and I'm pretty sure this has been well accepted as the better approach On 12/30/05, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOTH will include the header and only in one placeso why not use the best practice and include it via the template and not Application.cfm?? Who said it is the best practice? If you consider Application.cfm as tool which can (among many other things) generate a header, why is it so evil to let it generate the header ? Of course, if you need different headers depending on parts of the application, then CFINCLUDE them... OR store the different parts of your application in differnet directories, and... use a specific Application.cfm to generate the particular headers ;-) This is MY best practice. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228043 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
One common reason is simplification - it's just easier to work with a module that does one thing. You immediately know where to go to change how that one thing works, for example. Right, and this applies particularily well to putting any header HTML code in Application.cfm ;-) For example, a coworker had to add support for RSS and mobile devices to a huge site last week. He was able to do it very quickly, because all he had to do was write a separate set of display code. He didn't have to worry about how it would affect the existing display code or the business logic of the application. May be, but on the other hand, when someone will have to modify something common to the whole application, he will have to look for all the places some different header can be used. I don't mean that everything should be put everytime in Application.cfm. I'm just against this kind of rule that states this is THE best practice, period!. A best practice is just like the best tool: it depends what you have to do with it. I do use index.cfm?action= type of coding, I also use CFINCLUDE TEMPLATE=header.cfm, I also put some HTML sometimes in Application.cfm, it depends what I think is the best depending on the situation, I do not work one hand on the keyboard, and a bible in the other hand :-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228044 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Amen Dave part deux! Just as I said, when programing becomes a religion, better start doing something else ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228045 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
the purpose of CF is to build web applications. Web applications don't just produce HTML Of course, I was just trying to keep the discussion simple, not exhaustive. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228046 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
damn i hope i never have to update your code, lol personaly, I will get off my lazy ass and type and additional 2 lines to add a header and footer and the main reason is that when I include a header (via cfmodule) I can also add a dynamic page title to each page for search engines, like so : cfmodule template=/includes/header.cfm title=Send Us Your Comments and Questions And for those who can't stand to lose the 2 seconds it takes to do that then just make a snippet of the basic layout and click on it and add in between. As far as adding a seperate application.cfm to sections where they would have to put it to break to root app.cfm, thats umm, kinda dumb and besides you should be using application.cfc now As far as doing it to save space well I have seen most of your guys code and u add so much extra crap just to be cool that it is far more than adding 2 lines to make it a bit more portable and not because ur to lazy to do it. ~Dave the disruptor~ google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:12 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm BOTH will include the header and only in one placeso why not use the best practice and include it via the template and not Application.cfm?? Who said it is the best practice? If you consider Application.cfm as tool which can (among many other things) generate a header, why is it so evil to let it generate the header ? Of course, if you need different headers depending on parts of the application, then CFINCLUDE them... . OR store the different parts of your application in differnet directories, and... . use a specific Application.cfm to generate the particular headers ;-) This is MY best practice. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228047 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
Have you read my and especially Dave's replies?? ;-) I think I'm leavin this one as...I'll agree to disagree ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228048 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Of course, I was just trying to keep the discussion simple, not exhaustive. You should make things as simple as possible, but no simpler. How exhaustive was my response? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228049 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
One common reason is simplification - it's just easier to work with a module that does one thing. You immediately know where to go to change how that one thing works, for example. Right, and this applies particularily well to putting any header HTML code in Application.cfm ;-) If you use Application.cfm to initialize your application pages, and you use it to generate output, that's two different things. May be, but on the other hand, when someone will have to modify something common to the whole application, he will have to look for all the places some different header can be used. You seem to be assuming that there are only two choices - put something in Application.cfm, or put it within every page. I don't think those are the only two options. I don't mean that everything should be put everytime in Application.cfm. I'm just against this kind of rule that states this is THE best practice, period!. A best practice is just like the best tool: it depends what you have to do with it. I think that you're absolutely right on this point. You'll notice I didn't say that my recommendation was a best practice. I simply responded to your question about why separating presentation and business logic is a good thing generally. I don't think it's the end of the world if you violate this sometimes. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228050 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Wireframing Recommendations?
How is it for systems that are non-fusebox oriented? Seems to output fusebox...couldn't care if its just for demonstration I guess. :) Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner 2081 Industrial Blvd StillwaterMN55082 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.ejhassociates.com tel: 651.207.1526 fax: 651.207.1536 mob: 952.210.9060 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. -Original Message- From: Mike Soultanian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Wireframing Recommendations? I'd second that. I've been working with Fusebuilder for the past few months and it's a great product. Every time I think of something that could be helpful, I let Mike (FB author) know and it turns out that he's already implemented. It's a very thought-out product and has helped us greatly with its wireframing features. Plus, now he's implemented AJAX which speeds things up. Mike Damien McKenna wrote: Fusebuilder.net It's a great product and there are some Flash-based tutorials showing how to do some of the basics. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228051 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Just a small point, but for SEO you would be wise to use fully qualified links. -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2005 21:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm I would think that there would be location issues with HTML in Application.cfm. Meaning: you would need to fully qualify all of the image urls in the HTML. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228052 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Protecting Code
Hi Ade, Obfuscation? -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 December 2005 16:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Protecting Code What about obfuscation? Anyone done that, pros, cons? Ade ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228053 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Protecting Code
Thanks Jeff, but beyond my budget .. -Original Message- From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 December 2005 15:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Protecting Code Yeah, the Adobe Coldfusion (That doesn't roll off the tounge right) encryption is kind of weak. IF Blue Dragon is an option for you, it seems to have template encryption down pat.. http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon/self_help/faq/detail?faqId=2 33 Jeff ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228054 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Wireframing Recommendations?
You know, for presentation it would still work nicely. Plus, Mike's implementing features so that you can customize the output to look like your site's design. I used it for the first time w/ a client and she was really happy to be able to see the site coming together in real-time - a very powerful too. Heck, it might even convert you to using FuseBox (which I think is a good thing). But having said that, it would help to have some knowledge of FuseBox because the constructs all follow FB syntax and what-not. Go to the Fusebuilder site and give it a try and see if you like it - http://www.fusebuilder.net Mike Eric J. Hoffman wrote: How is it for systems that are non-fusebox oriented? Seems to output fusebox...couldn't care if its just for demonstration I guess. :) Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner 2081 Industrial Blvd StillwaterMN55082 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.ejhassociates.com tel: 651.207.1526 fax: 651.207.1536 mob: 952.210.9060 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. -Original Message- From: Mike Soultanian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Wireframing Recommendations? I'd second that. I've been working with Fusebuilder for the past few months and it's a great product. Every time I think of something that could be helpful, I let Mike (FB author) know and it turns out that he's already implemented. It's a very thought-out product and has helped us greatly with its wireframing features. Plus, now he's implemented AJAX which speeds things up. Mike Damien McKenna wrote: Fusebuilder.net It's a great product and there are some Flash-based tutorials showing how to do some of the basics. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228055 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
That's what I do...but in this other guy's case, it would make sense to put in the application.cfm since he would have to re-write all the code on his site to do that Eric -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 16:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm I would disagree with that...depending on your design model, it is a good way to include headers instead of having to write an include statement on every page. Eric and Eric if you use a site template for layout you only incluude the header oncein the template ;-) So NOT on every page. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228056 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
fusebox: Question about fuseactions and sidebar menu
The fusebox forum isn't that active and I've seen some fusebox posts here so hopefully someone can give me a little advice... I'm trying to figure out the best way to design my menu system Fuseactions. I have a sidebar menu that changes for given main menu nav items. So, let's say the top main nav bar has ABOUT, NEWS, etc.. the ABOUT page sidebar links will be different from the NEWS sidebar links. Now, to handle this, I created separate ciruits/FAs: about.abouthome about.aboutnews about.maps and news.newshome news.newswhatsnew news.newsrandomstuff and so on... The way I have it designed now is if you call up about.abouthome, there is a preFA that calls up sidebarnav.navabout which has all of the XFAs for the various links from the ABOUT pages. sidebarnav.navabout in turns calls up the sidebar fuse which is stored in a CCV and then assembled later. Does this seem like a good setup? I'm not particularly happy with the the disconnect between the ABOUT FAs and the associated XFAs stored with the sidebar FA, but I thought it made more sense to put the XFAs with the sidebar FAs than it did in the main ABOUT FAs, especially because those XFAs need to be built in the sidebar fuses, not the ABOUT fuses. Does that make sense? I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks, Mike ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228057 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fusebox: Question about fuseactions and sidebar menu
First: about.abouthome you should have it be just about.home or better yet, about.index... the about should be implied by the circuit. In my design model I would have a action on the about news and anything else that would change up your navigation.. It would some how set/return a navigation object that would be able to draw it's self, aka, a list or something like that. Use CSS to do the formatting... On 12/30/05, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fusebox forum isn't that active and I've seen some fusebox posts here so hopefully someone can give me a little advice... I'm trying to figure out the best way to design my menu system Fuseactions. I have a sidebar menu that changes for given main menu nav items. So, let's say the top main nav bar has ABOUT, NEWS, etc.. the ABOUT page sidebar links will be different from the NEWS sidebar links. Now, to handle this, I created separate ciruits/FAs: about.abouthome about.aboutnews about.maps and news.newshome news.newswhatsnew news.newsrandomstuff and so on... The way I have it designed now is if you call up about.abouthome, there is a preFA that calls up sidebarnav.navabout which has all of the XFAs for the various links from the ABOUT pages. sidebarnav.navabout in turns calls up the sidebar fuse which is stored in a CCV and then assembled later. Does this seem like a good setup? I'm not particularly happy with the the disconnect between the ABOUT FAs and the associated XFAs stored with the sidebar FA, but I thought it made more sense to put the XFAs with the sidebar FAs than it did in the main ABOUT FAs, especially because those XFAs need to be built in the sidebar fuses, not the ABOUT fuses. Does that make sense? I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks, Mike ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228058 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Protecting Code
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscated_code On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ade, Obfuscation? -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228059 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fusebox: Question about fuseactions and sidebar menu
Dustin Tinney wrote: First: about.abouthome you should have it be just about.home or better yet, about.index... the about should be implied by the circuit. Yeah, I was going through all my circuits changing them probably at the same time you were typing it ;) In my design model I would have a action on the about news and anything else that would change up your navigation.. It would some how set/return a navigation object that would be able to draw it's self, aka, a list or something like that. Use CSS to do the formatting... Within each section/circuit (news,about,etc.) the menu stays the same for all FAs within that section/circuit. It just changes from section to section. That's why I used the preFA within that circuit to include a fuse w/ the menu for that section. I figured that way, regardless which FA is called within that circuit, they're all going to get the same menu. Then the CSS takes care of the menu like you suggest. Sound similar to what you were thinking? thanks, Mike ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228060 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
If you use Application.cfm to initialize your application pages, and you use it to generate output, that's two different things. Ok, but who said one cannot do two different things in Application.cfm? May be, but on the other hand, when someone will have to modify something common to the whole application, he will have to look for all the places some different header can be used. You seem to be assuming that there are only two choices - put something in Application.cfm, or put it within every page. I don't think those are the only two options. Absolutely not, you said He was able to do it very quickly, because all he had to do was write a separate set of display code. This is fine, but the other side of the coin is that you end up with two different display templates, then 3, 4,... If they have some code identical and you have to modify this code, you now have 2, 3, 4 ... places to look at. What I mean is that nothing is PERFECT, so there is NO BEST practice, only good judgment to find the best way to do it depending on the situation. The method you describe may be fine for very large applications, but many people are also working on small and medium applications. A methodology good for large application may be a hassle for smaller applications. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228061 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fusebox: Question about fuseactions and sidebar menu
that would be one way to do it. Pre-fuseactions would give you that functionality. If I was using a pre-fuseaction I wouldn't have it pass back the nav or print it out. instead I would have it set a variable.. such as nav_template_file and then in your main template where you would have your sub nav instead you would do something like: cfInclude template=public/sub_templates/#nav_template_file#.cfm / On 12/31/05, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dustin Tinney wrote: First: about.abouthome you should have it be just about.home or better yet, about.index... the about should be implied by the circuit. Yeah, I was going through all my circuits changing them probably at the same time you were typing it ;) In my design model I would have a action on the about news and anything else that would change up your navigation.. It would some how set/return a navigation object that would be able to draw it's self, aka, a list or something like that. Use CSS to do the formatting... Within each section/circuit (news,about,etc.) the menu stays the same for all FAs within that section/circuit. It just changes from section to section. That's why I used the preFA within that circuit to include a fuse w/ the menu for that section. I figured that way, regardless which FA is called within that circuit, they're all going to get the same menu. Then the CSS takes care of the menu like you suggest. Sound similar to what you were thinking? thanks, Mike ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228062 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML In Application.cfm
Ok, but who said one cannot do two different things in Application.cfm? You can do as many things as you like. I suspect you could write your entire application within Application.cfm. However, I don't think that would be a good idea. Absolutely not, you said He was able to do it very quickly, because all he had to do was write a separate set of display code. This is fine, but the other side of the coin is that you end up with two different display templates, then 3, 4,... If they have some code identical and you have to modify this code, you now have 2, 3, 4 ... places to look at. I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any commonality between HTML display code and RSS or WML. So, yes, those are separate sets of code. The commonality they share is the business logic, which is stored separately from the display code. What I mean is that nothing is PERFECT, so there is NO BEST practice, only good judgment to find the best way to do it depending on the situation. The method you describe may be fine for very large applications, but many people are also working on small and medium applications. A methodology good for large application may be a hassle for smaller applications. Just as mighty oaks from little acorns grow, large applications often start as small applications. The good judgment of experienced web programmers commonly finds the separation of presentation and business logic to be valuable. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228063 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I suspect you could write your entire application within Application.cfm. However, I don't think that would be a good idea. You will not make an extreme look any beter just by showing how stupid is the opposite extreme ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228064 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
