ANN: Transfer 0.6.1 Released
After quite a few bug fixes and performance enhancements, it made sense to do a maintenance release of Transfer ORM before moving on to version 0.7. The major improvements and bug fixes that you will see in this release are: * Documentation updates. * The caching layer now allows the underlying Java engine to discard TransferObjects as required. * ModelGlue folder moved to the MG:U framework. * Multiple bug fixes and performance enhancements For full details go to: http://www.compoundtheory.com/?action=displayPost&ID=192 Transfer ORM can be found at: http://www.compoundtheory.com/transfer/ Regards, Mark -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267073 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Apache config
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:25 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Apache config > > > As for the whole open source argument, no, IIS nor third-party IIS tools > are > open source. For something that is essentially a commodity, like a web > server, I have never needed the ability to edit the source, I wouldn't be > qualified to edit the source, and I suspect that this is true for many of > the people on this list. Out of curiosity, are you an Apache committer? If > you're not, have you made changes to the Apache source? If you do make > changes, what do you do when a new version comes out? How are you any > better > in this respect than the "one man companies" you mention above? > I am not an Apache committer, and I would not be qualified to be one. I do know that there are thousands of eyes looking at the Apache source and finding bugs and vulnerabilities. I do upgrade my Apache versions from time to time, and I do it more often if a serious vulnerability is found. Unlike Windows, however, this is not very often. On linux, apache gets automatically updated between minor versions as part of the nightly update. > > Ok, maybe not so simple, but once you get the hang of it, you > > can feel the power. Just like using linux for servers > > instead of windows. It takes time to learn how to administer > > it, but once you do, you'll never go back. For one thing you > > won't have to worry about monthly security patches. They > > silently download at night without ever needing a reboot. My > > Linux server has been up for 91 days. People have their > > servers up for years at a time without rebooting. Can you > > say the same about windows? > > Actually, the vast majority of Windows patches no longer need a reboot, > and > if you think 91 days is an impressive uptime number, well, I'm sorry to > say, > but most of my Windows servers have higher uptime than that. > Vast majority is not all. I have my servers set to auto reboot when windows patches come out, and they have been rebooting on a monthly basis. The last time they rebooted was 12/17. If your servers have a higher uptime then 91 days, you must not be doing your job of patching server very well. Now I said my Linux server has an uptime of 91 days. The only reason it's so small, is because I was probably having some issue, and still have the preconceived notion from the Windows world that a reboot usually fixes things. If I didn't reboot manually, I would've had a much higher uptime, and as I've mentioned, I have seen Linux servers with uptimes measured in years, all while receiving nightly updates. Russ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267072 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Setting file dates and attributes
>>Yeah, ColdFusion Really? How? I don't mean reset lastModifiedDate to "Now()" just by overwriting the file. I mean set lastModifiedDate to ANY date-time value. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267071 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Setting file dates and attributes
I don't think CF has the capability to reset the date created / modified attributes. I have used BeyondCompare for that . -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Setting file dates and attributes Yeah, ColdFusion :-) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 23:53:43 2007 Subject: Setting file dates and attributes Hi, Does any one know about some tool or custom Tag able to set new dates to files on the server, like date last modified, date created, or date last access? Also, any tool that will enable setting the statuses like read-only, archive, etc ? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Apache config
You're not limited to just ISAPI re-write with IIS. You could also use Spike's servlet from http://www.spike.org.uk/projects/fuservlet/. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX Russ wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:49 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Apache config >> >> Dave Watts wrote: >> >> >>> Well, if you're using CF, you don't need to do that at the web server >>> >> level >> >>> at all: >>> >>> http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-37 >>> >>> You'll notice that this is an SES URL, on an IIS 6 server, that points >>> >> to a >> >>> simple description of how to set up SES URLs with CF on any platform. >>> >> I would argue that in fact that's not a search engine friendly url at >> all. That url gives me no context for what I'm going to find on the page >> if I follow the link. It will be followed by a search engine, sure, but >> that does not inherently make it "friendly". >> http://www.doughughes.net/articles/coldfusion/search-engine-friendly-urls- >> with-coldfusion/ >> would be a search engine friendly url. It tells a user (and a search >> engine) to expect an article about coldfusion and search engine friendly >> urls. Admittedly, the word "with" will probably be discarded by the >> search engine as too common of a word, but the rest of the url will be >> indexed and counted towards the value of the page if it matches the >> correct context. >> >> In order to really do search engine friendly urls you do need a >> rewriter. Apache comes with one, IIS doesn't. We use ISAPIRewrite and it >> works quite well. It sucks that the functionality isn't built into IIS, >> but I do still like to run IIS when I've got a Windows box, so the price >> of the rewriter add-on is worth it. >> >> My $0.02 >> >> Judah >> >> >> > > Not to mention that running rewriting through CF is a lot slower then using > Apache or even ISAPI Rewrite. From what I remember from ISAPI rewrite, it > was pretty limited, but I guess you're stuck with it if you're going to use > IIS. > > Russ > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267069 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Is
Always use it anywhere, anytime... Will ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267068 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Apache config
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Well, your URL is simple a rewrite of index.cfm?foo=foo, it is not a > permanent location for this document in that if I bookmark this page and you > delete foo, I will be 100% guaranteed to get it again. This is simple a > facade onto the normal query string approach. The fact you still have > index.cfm in the URL points to a hack. Ah, I think that there was a misunderstanding then. I was discussing rewriting, which would remove the index.cfm altogether. I advocated a url of the form: http://www.doughughes.net/articles/coldfusion/search-engine-friendly-urls-with-coldfusion/ where articles, coldfusion and search-engine-friendly-urls-with-coldfusion map to variables that you then use to serve up the content in question. The point being, the content could be a file that you move around on the filesystem or it could be in a cms or migrated from one to another while still keeping the same URI. I too do not like having index.cfm in the middle of a url. It is still true that if I delete the content (or website for that matter) then your bookmark will fail. But that is only true in the most trivial sense, like saying that falling down won't hurt if you turn off gravity. And I would not consider using a rewrite scheme to be a hack at all. The spec for URI's do not require that items in the url map directly to folders/files. It is rather a scheme for organizing information and providing an addressing mechanism. And if we can keep URI's permanent and human readable, then we've accomplished what URI's were intended for. Judah ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267067 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Setting file dates and attributes
Yeah, ColdFusion :-) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 23:53:43 2007 Subject: Setting file dates and attributes Hi, Does any one know about some tool or custom Tag able to set new dates to files on the server, like date last modified, date created, or date last access? Also, any tool that will enable setting the statuses like read-only, archive, etc ? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267066 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Apache config
Well, your URL is simple a rewrite of index.cfm?foo=foo, it is not a permanent location for this document in that if I bookmark this page and you delete foo, I will be 100% guaranteed to get it again. This is simple a facade onto the normal query string approach. The fact you still have index.cfm in the URL points to a hack. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 23:50:52 2007 Subject: Re: Apache config Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Granted, while it is a cleaner URL it is in no way friendly, it's an ugly > hack. An ugly hack? How so? A URL (or more properly a URI) is meant to provide a descriptive and permanent location for a piece of content. The url I provided does exactly that. One of the reasons I'm fond of search engine friendly url's is that they are not tied to a particular physical directory structure. If you move a piece of content around on your hard drive or you switch to a different CMS system that organizes content differently there is no good reason for the URI to change. The content is the same and its URI should stay the same. That's one of the powers of a rewriter, it allows you to make descriptive uri's while abstracting away from the underlying technology. Which is how it should be. Take a look at Tim Berners-Lee article on the subject called Hypertext Style: Cool URIs don't change. http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI Judah ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267065 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Setting file dates and attributes
Hi, Does any one know about some tool or custom Tag able to set new dates to files on the server, like date last modified, date created, or date last access? Also, any tool that will enable setting the statuses like read-only, archive, etc ? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267064 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Is
Hi, For avoiding SQL injection (or otherwise), is cfqueryparam only necessary with numeric data types i.e. where query variable won't contain quotes? R ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267063 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache config
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Granted, while it is a cleaner URL it is in no way friendly, it's an ugly > hack. An ugly hack? How so? A URL (or more properly a URI) is meant to provide a descriptive and permanent location for a piece of content. The url I provided does exactly that. One of the reasons I'm fond of search engine friendly url's is that they are not tied to a particular physical directory structure. If you move a piece of content around on your hard drive or you switch to a different CMS system that organizes content differently there is no good reason for the URI to change. The content is the same and its URI should stay the same. That's one of the powers of a rewriter, it allows you to make descriptive uri's while abstracting away from the underlying technology. Which is how it should be. Take a look at Tim Berners-Lee article on the subject called Hypertext Style: Cool URIs don't change. http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI Judah ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267062 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Apache config
Granted, while it is a cleaner URL it is in no way friendly, it's an ugly hack. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 21:49:23 2007 Subject: Re: Apache config Dave Watts wrote: > Well, if you're using CF, you don't need to do that at the web server level > at all: > > http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-37 > > You'll notice that this is an SES URL, on an IIS 6 server, that points to a > simple description of how to set up SES URLs with CF on any platform. I would argue that in fact that's not a search engine friendly url at all. That url gives me no context for what I'm going to find on the page if I follow the link. It will be followed by a search engine, sure, but that does not inherently make it "friendly". http://www.doughughes.net/articles/coldfusion/search-engine-friendly-urls-wi th-coldfusion/ would be a search engine friendly url. It tells a user (and a search engine) to expect an article about coldfusion and search engine friendly urls. Admittedly, the word "with" will probably be discarded by the search engine as too common of a word, but the rest of the url will be indexed and counted towards the value of the page if it matches the correct context. In order to really do search engine friendly urls you do need a rewriter. Apache comes with one, IIS doesn't. We use ISAPIRewrite and it works quite well. It sucks that the functionality isn't built into IIS, but I do still like to run IIS when I've got a Windows box, so the price of the rewriter add-on is worth it. My $0.02 Judah ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267061 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Apache config
> -Original Message- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:49 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Apache config > > Dave Watts wrote: > > > Well, if you're using CF, you don't need to do that at the web server > level > > at all: > > > > http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-37 > > > > You'll notice that this is an SES URL, on an IIS 6 server, that points > to a > > simple description of how to set up SES URLs with CF on any platform. > > I would argue that in fact that's not a search engine friendly url at > all. That url gives me no context for what I'm going to find on the page > if I follow the link. It will be followed by a search engine, sure, but > that does not inherently make it "friendly". > http://www.doughughes.net/articles/coldfusion/search-engine-friendly-urls- > with-coldfusion/ > would be a search engine friendly url. It tells a user (and a search > engine) to expect an article about coldfusion and search engine friendly > urls. Admittedly, the word "with" will probably be discarded by the > search engine as too common of a word, but the rest of the url will be > indexed and counted towards the value of the page if it matches the > correct context. > > In order to really do search engine friendly urls you do need a > rewriter. Apache comes with one, IIS doesn't. We use ISAPIRewrite and it > works quite well. It sucks that the functionality isn't built into IIS, > but I do still like to run IIS when I've got a Windows box, so the price > of the rewriter add-on is worth it. > > My $0.02 > > Judah > > Not to mention that running rewriting through CF is a lot slower then using Apache or even ISAPI Rewrite. From what I remember from ISAPI rewrite, it was pretty limited, but I guess you're stuck with it if you're going to use IIS. Russ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267060 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache config
Dave Watts wrote: > Well, if you're using CF, you don't need to do that at the web server level > at all: > > http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-37 > > You'll notice that this is an SES URL, on an IIS 6 server, that points to a > simple description of how to set up SES URLs with CF on any platform. I would argue that in fact that's not a search engine friendly url at all. That url gives me no context for what I'm going to find on the page if I follow the link. It will be followed by a search engine, sure, but that does not inherently make it "friendly". http://www.doughughes.net/articles/coldfusion/search-engine-friendly-urls-with-coldfusion/ would be a search engine friendly url. It tells a user (and a search engine) to expect an article about coldfusion and search engine friendly urls. Admittedly, the word "with" will probably be discarded by the search engine as too common of a word, but the rest of the url will be indexed and counted towards the value of the page if it matches the correct context. In order to really do search engine friendly urls you do need a rewriter. Apache comes with one, IIS doesn't. We use ISAPIRewrite and it works quite well. It sucks that the functionality isn't built into IIS, but I do still like to run IIS when I've got a Windows box, so the price of the rewriter add-on is worth it. My $0.02 Judah ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267059 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache config
>ApacheConf, which is shareware > >Larry Lyons wrote: >> Thanks Cutter I appreciate it. Now to dump IIS off my home server. larry ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267058 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Apache config
The old cfx_IIS tag has done the autocreation of dies from CF for years. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 20:25:27 2007 Subject: RE: Apache config > Apache lets you keep the .conf file in a source control > system like subversion. It lets you easily copy and paste > and create new configurations. I can set up a template for > new virtual sites and have CF automatically create a new conf > file, and do a graceful restart on apache and voila, I have a > new site set up. To do so with IIS would be a lot harder and > would probably involve some convoluted API calls, which you > can't do from CF anyway. Actually, you can easily do the same thing with IIS, without needing a graceful restart. The IIS API isn't convoluted, and IIS comes with a bunch of sample scripts showing you how to use the API. There's even one specifically for creating new virtual sites. You can call the API easily enough using CF, if you choose. You could, if you choose, put the IIS metabase in a source control system like subversion - with IIS 6 it's just a big XML file - but IIS has its own metabase backup functionality as well. The funny thing about your statement is that you seem to think that not having an API is better than having one! > I agree it is out of date, and a bunch of things have been > fixed especially with the 2.0 version. The plain truth is > that Apache is just better. Apache has some features that IIS doesn't. IIS has some features Apache doesn't. You can say "Apache is just better" as much as you like, but "better" will clearly depend on the environment you're working in, and the problems you're trying to solve. In many cases I've encountered, IIS is a clearly better fit. In many other cases, Apache is a clearly better fit. In still other cases, it doesn't make any significant difference. > CF beats the pants off JSP because it makes web development > easier and faster. We like CF because that's what we do most > of the time, and we would rather it be something that we can > be more productive in. If I only needed to use CF once a > month, and I could use JSP for free, and I knew JSP well > enough, I would probably pick JSP. It's most likely faster > anyway. My point was simply that ease of use is an important feature. You can either agree or disagree, but you seem to want to do both. > There are things you can do with apache out of the box that > you would either need to buy custom ISAPI filters for, which > would probably crash half the time, since they're made by some > one man companies, and are not open source for many developers > to work on and fix. There are also things that you just can't > do with IIS, to my knowledge. For example, let's say you want > to set up a SES url, something like > > http://www.example.com/AboutUs > > and you want that url to go to > > http://www.example.com/index.cfm?page=AboutUs > > There is no way to currently do that with IIS AFAIK. With > apache it's a simple rewrite directive: > > RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*example.com $ [NC] > RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}^/(.*) $[NC] > RewriteRule ^(.*)$ > http://www.example.com/index.cfm?page=%1 [P] Well, if you're using CF, you don't need to do that at the web server level at all: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-37 You'll notice that this is an SES URL, on an IIS 6 server, that points to a simple description of how to set up SES URLs with CF on any platform. But, if I did want to do that with IIS for non-CF URLs, as I have before, I'd simply use ISAPI_Rewrite, which is available in two flavors - a free version and a $50 "pro" version. I've never had any problems with it, and I've used it for large, relatively high-traffic sites. I used the free version, actually, because it did everything I needed. As for the whole open source argument, no, IIS nor third-party IIS tools are open source. For something that is essentially a commodity, like a web server, I have never needed the ability to edit the source, I wouldn't be qualified to edit the source, and I suspect that this is true for many of the people on this list. Out of c
RE: Apache config
> Apache lets you keep the .conf file in a source control > system like subversion. It lets you easily copy and paste > and create new configurations. I can set up a template for > new virtual sites and have CF automatically create a new conf > file, and do a graceful restart on apache and voila, I have a > new site set up. To do so with IIS would be a lot harder and > would probably involve some convoluted API calls, which you > can't do from CF anyway. Actually, you can easily do the same thing with IIS, without needing a graceful restart. The IIS API isn't convoluted, and IIS comes with a bunch of sample scripts showing you how to use the API. There's even one specifically for creating new virtual sites. You can call the API easily enough using CF, if you choose. You could, if you choose, put the IIS metabase in a source control system like subversion - with IIS 6 it's just a big XML file - but IIS has its own metabase backup functionality as well. The funny thing about your statement is that you seem to think that not having an API is better than having one! > I agree it is out of date, and a bunch of things have been > fixed especially with the 2.0 version. The plain truth is > that Apache is just better. Apache has some features that IIS doesn't. IIS has some features Apache doesn't. You can say "Apache is just better" as much as you like, but "better" will clearly depend on the environment you're working in, and the problems you're trying to solve. In many cases I've encountered, IIS is a clearly better fit. In many other cases, Apache is a clearly better fit. In still other cases, it doesn't make any significant difference. > CF beats the pants off JSP because it makes web development > easier and faster. We like CF because that's what we do most > of the time, and we would rather it be something that we can > be more productive in. If I only needed to use CF once a > month, and I could use JSP for free, and I knew JSP well > enough, I would probably pick JSP. It's most likely faster > anyway. My point was simply that ease of use is an important feature. You can either agree or disagree, but you seem to want to do both. > There are things you can do with apache out of the box that > you would either need to buy custom ISAPI filters for, which > would probably crash half the time, since they're made by some > one man companies, and are not open source for many developers > to work on and fix. There are also things that you just can't > do with IIS, to my knowledge. For example, let's say you want > to set up a SES url, something like > > http://www.example.com/AboutUs > > and you want that url to go to > > http://www.example.com/index.cfm?page=AboutUs > > There is no way to currently do that with IIS AFAIK. With > apache it's a simple rewrite directive: > > RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^.*example.com $ [NC] > RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}^/(.*) $[NC] > RewriteRule ^(.*)$ > http://www.example.com/index.cfm?page=%1 [P] Well, if you're using CF, you don't need to do that at the web server level at all: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-37 You'll notice that this is an SES URL, on an IIS 6 server, that points to a simple description of how to set up SES URLs with CF on any platform. But, if I did want to do that with IIS for non-CF URLs, as I have before, I'd simply use ISAPI_Rewrite, which is available in two flavors - a free version and a $50 "pro" version. I've never had any problems with it, and I've used it for large, relatively high-traffic sites. I used the free version, actually, because it did everything I needed. As for the whole open source argument, no, IIS nor third-party IIS tools are open source. For something that is essentially a commodity, like a web server, I have never needed the ability to edit the source, I wouldn't be qualified to edit the source, and I suspect that this is true for many of the people on this list. Out of curiosity, are you an Apache committer? If you're not, have you made changes to the Apache source? If you do make changes, what do you do when a new version comes out? How are you any better in this respect than the "one man companies" you mention above? Now again, I'll agree that there are plenty of things that Apache does better than IIS. There are plenty of things that IIS does better than Apache, however, which you seem unable to comprehend. Finally, and this is the part that's most important, for most web developers it simply doesn't matter what web server they use! So, your constant evangelism of Apache doesn't really make much sense to me, in that context. > Ok, maybe not so simple, but once you get the hang of it, you > can feel the power. Just like using linux for servers > instead of windows. It takes time to learn how to administer > it, but once you do, you'll never go back. For one thing you > won't have to worry about monthly security patches.
RE: Any way to specify image size in this code?
Good idea... -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any way to specify image size in this code? Also create a new page and test that the resize code works. Adrian -Original Message- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2007 22:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Any way to specify image size in this code? Hmmm, it looks like you have some functions in the href onmouseover and onmouseout (CTh and CTs) that don't exist in your javascript code. If you are trying to make your script run when the link is rolled over, you'll need to define within your javascript code the functions that are called on the mouseover/mouseout events. This is what's good about Firebug - it would tell you "function undefined" or whatever your error is. In fact I'm suprised IE isn't throwing alerts at you if you are trying to run this code in IE. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267055 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Proliphix API
My boss presented me with a print out for the Proliphix API. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this API. After skimming it I see a couple of code examples to use with CURL and PHP. Obviously I would rather use the API in CF. For those who might be wondering, Proliphix is a system that allows you to control multiple thermostats via and IP or URL. They have a basic layout of functions on their site, but we are looking to move it all over onto our site and gain some control over layout. Thanks in advance! Steve ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267054 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Any way to specify image size in this code?
Also create a new page and test that the resize code works. Adrian -Original Message- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2007 22:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Any way to specify image size in this code? Hmmm, it looks like you have some functions in the href onmouseover and onmouseout (CTh and CTs) that don't exist in your javascript code. If you are trying to make your script run when the link is rolled over, you'll need to define within your javascript code the functions that are called on the mouseover/mouseout events. This is what's good about Firebug - it would tell you "function undefined" or whatever your error is. In fact I'm suprised IE isn't throwing alerts at you if you are trying to run this code in IE. - Original Message - From: "Rick Faircloth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: RE: Any way to specify image size in this code? > Nay... don't use firebug... or FireFox :o) > > (I do have it on my machine, however...) > > > -Original Message- > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:54 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Any way to specify image size in this code? > > also...you're using firebug in mozilla for debugging this, right? > RIGHT??? > :) > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267053 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Apache config
ApacheConf, which is shareware Larry Lyons wrote: >> The only thing I don't like about Apache are the mod extras and getting them >> to work (if they do not work out of the box), if you are unfamiliar with >> compiling etc you can get stuck in a rut trying to get it to work (when >> binaries are not available). The .config file is very flexible but a GUI >> onto it would be far more worthwhile IMO. There are also lots of hidden >> things you may need to install which can take some time funding as the >> version numbers sometimes do not match up to the version of Apache you run. >> I can sometimes find Apache far top much trial and error when diagnosing >> problems which can time consuming. >> > > Speaking of a GUI for the config files, is there such a beast for Apache? > > thx, > larry > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267052 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache config
>The only thing I don't like about Apache are the mod extras and getting them >to work (if they do not work out of the box), if you are unfamiliar with >compiling etc you can get stuck in a rut trying to get it to work (when >binaries are not available). The .config file is very flexible but a GUI >onto it would be far more worthwhile IMO. There are also lots of hidden >things you may need to install which can take some time funding as the >version numbers sometimes do not match up to the version of Apache you run. >I can sometimes find Apache far top much trial and error when diagnosing >problems which can time consuming. > Speaking of a GUI for the config files, is there such a beast for Apache? thx, larry ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267051 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Sitemap or FLowchart
www.Gliffy.com HTH Jose Diaz On 1/18/07, Tero Pikala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mercury tools are really great if you can afford them, unfortunately > most of us can't. > > Tero > > > On Jan 18, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > > I forget the name of the product, but it is produced by Mercury > > Interactive...they have a suite of web testing tools and one of > > them will > > spider your site and produce a site map. > > > > Eric > > > ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Apache config
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://people.apache.org/~rbowen/presentations/apacheconEU2005/hate_apa > che.p > df That is a classic! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267049 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache config (solved)
The. XP argument is not really one of worth, unless of course you are running XP in a Production enviroment. There are several tools to allow multiple domains in IIS on XP - albeit not simultaneously (but as east as a few mouse clicks) but saying that, your code should be domain agnostic anyway :-). "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Cutter (CFRelated) To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 02:49:33 2007 Subject: Re: Apache config (solved) Seems I had my page cached. I bring it up now (with that config) and all is well. Just a fluke (I never turn on caching...) Thanks to everyone for their help. Dave, I have to disagree to a point. Ease of use isn't the question, really, it's 'What is the best tool for the job?' IIS doesn't handle multiple domain setups in IIS on WinXP simultaneously, therefore it doesn't meet my needs. I like IIS, and have used it for many years, but it won't serve my development needs any longer, as I now bounce around quite a bit between different domains. And, I did want to learn something new. OS/2 was a great Operating System, but IBM didn't market it correctly, letting Microsoft beat 'em out, and C is perfectly fine for a small cgi script if it's all you know and it serves your purpose (and it still does for some people). But now I've joined into another 'debate', when it really belongs in CF-Community. I apologize for that. Thank you to everyone who tried to help me with my latest experiment. So far I think Apache rocks. After an initial setup, maybe a CF based Apache config tool would be an interesting project? Hey Ray, what are you up to? [JK;)] Cutter __ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Cutter (CFRelated) wrote: > Yeah Russ, I thought that might be it when I was working this last > night. I'm serving up cfml content out of the root just fine, just not > getting my resources straight. I'll check my logs, but just in case, > here's what I've been trying, but still not having any luck (any hints > on doing this better will be appreciated): > > > ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] > DocumentRoot "F:\newwebroot" > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > Satisfy all > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > DirectoryIndex index.html index.cfm > > > Order allow,deny > Deny from all > > > Alias /resourcelib "F:\resources" > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > ServerName serv.myserver.com > ServerAlias serv.myserver.com > ErrorLog logs/serv.myserver.com-error_log > CustomLog logs/serv.myserver.com-access_log common > > > Russ wrote: >> Latest version of Apache requires that you add a entry to allow >> access to that directory. Something like >> >> >> Options FollowSymLinks >> AllowOverride None >> Order deny,allow >> Allow from all >> >> >> >> You can check the error log to see what the problem is. >> >> Don't get discouraged. Apache beats the pants off IIS, but it has a bit of >> a learning curve. >> >> Russ >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:29 PM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: SOT: Apache config >>> >>> Quick question. Trying to setup my CF environment on Apache instead of >>> IIS. I'm using the Virtual Hosts file, and running multiple domains ok, >>> after a bumpy start. Now another issue, one of my domains requires a >>> virtual directory, whereby the setup kinda works like this: >>> >>> http://serv.myserver.com = "F:\newwebroot" >>> >>> http://serv.myserver.com/resources = "D:\resources" >>> >>> So, I set up the alias in the config for that virtual host: >>> >>> Alias /resources "D:\resources" >>> >>> But, I'm not getting any content. None of the images I am calling are >>> coming through: >>> >>> http://serv.myserver.com/resources/myImage.jpg >>> >>> Now, the folder name
Re: Apache config
Well, I think that obviously IIS hides you away from the complexity of settings etc, Apache does certainly have a learning curve and is no where near as intuitive as result, saying that you are correct, with a little dedication it can become easy just like anything. It is an easy vanilla install as is IIS. The only thing I don't like about Apache are the mod extras and getting them to work (if they do not work out of the box), if you are unfamiliar with compiling etc you can get stuck in a rut trying to get it to work (when binaries are not available). The .config file is very flexible but a GUI onto it would be far more worthwhile IMO. There are also lots of hidden things you may need to install which can take some time funding as the version numbers sometimes do not match up to the version of Apache you run. I can sometimes find Apache far top much trial and error when diagnosing problems which can time consuming. There are also issues / pitfalls when trying to get it to talk to Tomcat when you are not using the APR. Saying this, I like both (usually run Apache locally), in fact I have found Apache to be more stable against older version of IIS (5). I just like the GUI nature of IIS better! :-) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jan 20 08:37:33 2007 Subject: Re: Apache config Dave Watts wrote: >> Apache beats the pants off IIS, but it has a bit of a learning curve. >> > > One important measurement of how good a product is, is how easy it is to > learn and use. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > Apache *is* easy to use - you simply have to take a moment and figure out how to do things with it when you've never used it before. You do that with every new piece of software you ever use. Different does not mean difficult. I do not consider occasionally adding a line or two to a text file difficult - but it is different then IIS and different then the way most MS software works. You could also say that "how easy it is to learn and use" is relative to the person using it. ;) -Jordan ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache config
Dave Watts wrote: >> Apache beats the pants off IIS, but it has a bit of a learning curve. >> > > One important measurement of how good a product is, is how easy it is to > learn and use. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > Apache *is* easy to use - you simply have to take a moment and figure out how to do things with it when you've never used it before. You do that with every new piece of software you ever use. Different does not mean difficult. I do not consider occasionally adding a line or two to a text file difficult - but it is different then IIS and different then the way most MS software works. You could also say that "how easy it is to learn and use" is relative to the person using it. ;) -Jordan ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4