Re: Translation Strategies

2009-10-24 Thread Paul Hastings

Anthony Webb wrote:
> I've got a mid-sized site a client needs to have translated into a few
> languages.  They do not want to use a web service (like google) for this.
> They would like to have more control over the output.

it's not a question of "more control", machine translators are 100% retarded. 
your client's web site will end up sounding like it's retarded as well if they 
used them. and before you ask, yes google's translations are also retarded if 
you go beyond single words.

> So I started down the path of creating separate views for each language each
> in their own language folder.  Then I set a session var of  the currently
> selected language and put that right in the include statement for my view.
> Works great for the html/image stuff.

the normal way of handling this is w/resource bundles. these can either be 
backed by escaped unicode properties files (ala java, the long reigning king of 
i18n) or utf-8 encoded ones (ala flex which i still think was a poor choice) or 
ones that use db backing. plenty has been written about these.

and just in case you missed this, translation isn't all there is to globalizing 
your application. plenty has also been written about this.

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Translation Strategies

2009-10-24 Thread Anthony Webb

I've got a mid-sized site a client needs to have translated into a few 
languages.  They do not want to use a web service (like google) for this.  They 
would like to have more control over the output.

The content is partially in html on the pages, and partially in the database as 
well (a little e-commerce in addition to the standard aboutus/corp info) Images 
contain text to but this is another issue.

So I started down the path of creating separate views for each language each in 
their own language folder.  Then I set a session var of  the currently selected 
language and put that right in the include statement for my view.  Works great 
for the html/image stuff. 

What I am trying to figure out is the best way to handle the DB driven stuff.  
Just create new tables or fields that contain the translated text?

Another strategy that I thought about was to store translations in the 
application scope.  Create a common function that would take a string of text 
and a language identifier.  If it found a mapping in the app scope for that 
string and the language requested it would return the translated text and write 
it to a log to notify a translator (person) that something needed to be added 
to the map.  If not it would simply return the string untranslated.  Benefits 
of this approach would be that one single view could service any number of 
languages, and it would work with the stuff coming from the DB as well.  The 
downside to this approach might be efficiency (how much data can you really 
store effectively in the app scope?) 

Any other ideas or feedback out there? 

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Re: multi-database code

2009-10-24 Thread Patrick Santora

You have the right idea. I would just be concerned with cfc bloat since you
could be mirroring methods.

If you'd like to stay clear of this you can consider breaking out your
components into folders that represent the database engine itself.

Below is an example:
dao
  + mssql
  + customerDAO.cfc
  + userDAO.cfc
  + mysql
  + customerDAO.cfc
  + userDAO.cfc
  + oracle
  + customerDAO.cfc
  + userDAO.cfc

This would allow you to keep the cfc's nice a clean and your switch can
simply be what database engine (folder) to use. You could always build a
simple service (like daoService.cfc) that can gather the desired cfc.

Below is an example (note: not tested):

















Doing this allows you the simplicity to have one place where your database
engine variable exists. It would keep your code clean as well as your cfc's.

This may not be everyone's approach, but it's one I use plenty and it pays
off in the end.

-Pat (patweb99)

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Ramon Ecung  wrote:

>
> Just curious how others handle making their programs capable of being run
> on multiple databases. I'm currently running Oracle XE and MySQL and I want
> to develop my next application for both databases mainly for the experience,
> but also so I can learn more about the differences between MySQL and Oracle.
>
> My main thought on this was to create two functions in my cfc for every
> where/transaction I need (one for Oracle, one for MySQL) and just have a
> variable in my allplication.cfc that tells the code which function to call.
>
> Is this the best way? Does anyone else have experience doing something like
> this?
>
> -Ramon Ecung II
>
> 

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RE: Trouble with query...

2009-10-24 Thread Mark Kruger

Not "ifnull" ... I'ts "isnull" .. ISNULL(col,0) AS alias 


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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 6:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Trouble with query...


> i'm not very familiar with sql server syntax, but would something like 
> this work?
> 
> SELECT IFNULL(cpn.numCoupons,0) as numCoupons, couponcode, 
> THEORDERDATE   
 
Hmm. didn't work. SQL server didn't like it. :(

I just simplified it and didn't break it down by the day. I got somethin
that'll work for now.

Thanks jessica!

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multi-database code

2009-10-24 Thread Ramon Ecung

Just curious how others handle making their programs capable of being run on 
multiple databases. I'm currently running Oracle XE and MySQL and I want to 
develop my next application for both databases mainly for the experience, but 
also so I can learn more about the differences between MySQL and Oracle. 

My main thought on this was to create two functions in my cfc for every 
where/transaction I need (one for Oracle, one for MySQL) and just have a 
variable in my allplication.cfc that tells the code which function to call.

Is this the best way? Does anyone else have experience doing something like 
this? 

-Ramon Ecung II

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Re: Trouble with query...

2009-10-24 Thread Will Tomlinson

> i'm not very familiar with sql server syntax, but would something like 
> this work?
> 
> SELECT IFNULL(cpn.numCoupons,0) as numCoupons, couponcode, 
> THEORDERDATE   
 
Hmm. didn't work. SQL server didn't like it. :(

I just simplified it and didn't break it down by the day. I got somethin 
that'll work for now.

Thanks jessica!

Will 

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CF8/Vista 64 debug output not showing up

2009-10-24 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus

CF8 (64 bit)/Vista Professional (64 bit)/IIS7  This is my development
workstation and I am using localhost.

For some reason, debug output isn't showing up; I've tried any number of
options in CF Administrator settings -- classic and AJAX both, to no avail.
 I am not using cfsetting to restrict debug output, and using cfsetting to
enable debug output isn't working, either.  I have ensured that both
127.0.0.1 and my ethernet IP address is assigned, still nothing.  Has anyone
else run into this?

Thanks

Pete


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RE: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Dave Phillips

I can remember coding I did from more than 10 years ago, but I can't
remember to pick up milk when I go to the grocery store for diapers (or vice
versa!).  I suppose that' what 40 will do to you!

BTW - to chime in on the whole education thread - I have a BA degree in
Religion which, as you can tell, perfectly qualifies me to be a ColdFusion
developer. :)  On top of that, I didn't earn my BA until I was 35 years old
(of course, I started it when I was 28 - yeah, I know, 7 years...but hey, at
least I finished it!).  

I have never been held back from my career because of a lack of a degree,
let alone a technology degree, however, since I now have aspirations for
management, I am working on a MS degree in CIS as it will help to get my
resume in front of the right people for a management position in other
companies.  Although I would rather move up in my company, I just don't know
what the prospects for that will be like in 3-5 years when I'm ready to move
into management, so until then, I'll finish up this MS degree and then work
on my MBA.  Once I have MBA and MS in CIS, then I feel with my 20 years of
IT experience that I will be perfectly qualified to jump into a management
position.

Dave

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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:18 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Education


> I get you though...it strikes me as odd when others can't see the
> patterns I do.  For me I think it's due to my memory...it even scares
> me sometimesremembering line numbers or code above/below the code
> you are remembering 5 years after writing it is just creepy.

Now that's some memory! Mine isn't that good. I have a darned good
memory for technical details, but it's typically selective. So I
remember the formula for the volume of a cone, which I've never used,
but I misremember the release schedule for versions of ColdFusion. ;) 

In my case in particular, my skills are fairly slanted toward the
technical, meaning that my people skills are rusty. Just means I have to
work harder at them, but at least now I know why and I've been able to
find some books that I think are really helping me to shore up my
challenge areas. Just finished reading Words that Work, Crucial
Conversations, Influencer, Carol Dweck's Mindset and a few others this
year. And boy let me tell you, there are things in there I wish I'd
known when I presentated at cf.Objective a few years ago. :) 

> Well if this application development thing doesn't work out I can
> always be a circus freak ;-)

Maybe we missed our calling. ;) 

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Re: Education

2009-10-24 Thread s. isaac dealey

> I get you though...it strikes me as odd when others can't see the
> patterns I do.  For me I think it's due to my memory...it even scares
> me sometimesremembering line numbers or code above/below the code
> you are remembering 5 years after writing it is just creepy.

Now that's some memory! Mine isn't that good. I have a darned good
memory for technical details, but it's typically selective. So I
remember the formula for the volume of a cone, which I've never used,
but I misremember the release schedule for versions of ColdFusion. ;) 

In my case in particular, my skills are fairly slanted toward the
technical, meaning that my people skills are rusty. Just means I have to
work harder at them, but at least now I know why and I've been able to
find some books that I think are really helping me to shore up my
challenge areas. Just finished reading Words that Work, Crucial
Conversations, Influencer, Carol Dweck's Mindset and a few others this
year. And boy let me tell you, there are things in there I wish I'd
known when I presentated at cf.Objective a few years ago. :) 

> Well if this application development thing doesn't work out I can
> always be a circus freak ;-)

Maybe we missed our calling. ;) 

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Re: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Fisher

I just love that the video labels him a "manualist" ... awesome.

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Re: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Bryan Stevenson

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:29 -0500, s. isaac dealey wrote:
I was trying to find some way of responding to this that wouldn't seem
> conceited... and couldn't really come up with anything, so I'll just go
> ahead and say it. I thought everyone did this? 
> 

It's OK to have skill that makes you good at what you doit's when ya throw 
in others faces that makes it sound conceited...all clear here ;-)

I get you though...it strikes me as odd when others can't see the patterns I 
do.  For me I think it's due to my memory...it even scares me 
sometimesremembering line numbers or code above/below the code you are 
remembering 5 years after writing it is just creepy.

Well if this application development thing doesn't work out I can always be a 
circus freak ;-)

Cheers
-  

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RE: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Bryan Stevenson

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:52 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> It's ok to "go away" in your mind sometimes, Bryan, as long as you come
> back... :o)

hehe...well usually it's a quick tripnice break in the day really ;-)
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Re: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Cameron Childress

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Phillip Vector
 wrote:
> I've seen allot of jobs require lately BA/BS and not accept experience
> in it's place.

I think you will find that alot of these jobs requiring a BA/BS are in
a more corporate environment where HR reps who know very little about
technology are doing the initial resume sifting.  A HUGE percentage of
companies on Monster.com or other similar websites are going to be
these big corporate entities, or recruiters - so if you are looking
there, you'll probably see alot more of this requirement.

You'll also find this in some other smaller companies, but typically a
smaller company will make an exception if you truly are highly skilled
at what you do and don't have a BA/BS.

Lastly, I think that there is sometimes a distinction between just any
ole 4 year degree, and one which focuses on technology.

> What in your estimation is the percent of coldfusion
> people who have these and do you have one yourself?

None of us have a real way to measure this, and I would say that
feedback from this list is probably skewed too since people who are
self taught are more likely to seek out this list (since it's a
mechanism for self teaching).

> For me, I don't have any college experience and I would guess that
> about 5% of the coldfusion community actually have a BA/BS.

I thinks 5% is wildly low.  I have no idea what the statistics are,
but I am very confident it's far higher than 5%.

-Cameron

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Re: Education

2009-10-24 Thread s. isaac dealey

Bryan Stevenson: 
> It's just like in "A Beautiful Mind" where Nash saw the patterns in
> encrypted documents etc. (not that I am in any way in the same
> league...but you get my drift).  I just see it all in my head and mess
> with it there before writing the code.  Kinda drives people nuts when I
> "go away" in my head for a bit and come back with a solution to a
> problem ;-)

I was trying to find some way of responding to this that wouldn't seem
conceited... and couldn't really come up with anything, so I'll just go
ahead and say it. I thought everyone did this? Certainly not to the
extent of A Beatiful Mind or the card-counting in Rain Man, but I have a
difficult time imagining any other way of working. Although I've never
noticed that other people reacted at all to my doing it either. 

Or maybe I don't really do it to the extent that you do, but on my own
projects I tend to spend a good deal of time creating a mental model of
how to accomplish my goals before I start writing any code. On CacheBox
I knew how I wanted to implement the Agent / Service design a while
before I started writing any code, how it would hot-swap different
storage engines and gracefully downgrade from requested parameters to
meet available resources, and I had a model of the query-of-query
techniques I wanted to try (although they changed once I tested them). 



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Re: Education

2009-10-24 Thread s. isaac dealey

> > Jazz anyone? ;) 
> 
> So, what's free-form jazz?  Is that kind of like when you just make up
> code and hope it compiles?

What people call "cowboy coding"? ;) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding

Oh funny, check the "advantages" section: 

"Developers maintain a freeform working environment that may encourage
experimentation, learning, and free distribution of results."

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RE: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Rick Faircloth

Now that's about the most unusual instrument I've seen!
I just don't see how he does the fastest runs in the piece!

Hilarious!



-Original Message-
From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Education


Well Ike, there are only 12 notes (words) in western music. Hell of a
language where almost all the meaning is in the timber, cadence and
inflection.

Odd how something that is essentially a mathematical construct with a
vocabulary of 12 words can convey nearly an infinite shades of meaning.

But none the less some interpretations of even the most beautiful
compositions known to humanity can still make giggle uncontrollably

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12rioESy2fg&feature=related

G!

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:13 PM, s. isaac dealey  wrote:

>
> Rick Faircloth:
> > I think you're right, Mark.
> >
> > Music, especially theory, is very logical and an lot
> > like programming...just a different medium.
> >
> > If you get into orchestral composition, it's quite OO. ;o)
>
> I have a completely untested hunch that the language centers of the
> brain have more growth in musicians and programmers than in the general
> public.
>
> It seems like sheet music / music theory and coding / programming theory
> both are fundamentally about the interpretation of symbols, so it seems
> like language development would be the logical neurological link between
> them. Friend of mine is a hardware / networking guy, but doesn't do any
> programming because he says he just can't retain it. He also happens to
> have a tin-ear. ;)
>
> I think part of the difference there may also be the ability to
> visualize the model. In hardware / networking there are actual physical
> objects that connect together in a particular, specific way, but with
> programming (as with language), that's not the case.
>
> Like lines of code, words can be fit together in rather arbitrary and
> novel ways. So instead of having a solid mental model of a large system,
> what you have is lots of smaller mental models of an individual units in
> that system (a word or a component). Instead of having solid, well-known
> relationships between the units, their relationships are ambiguous and
> constantly open to interpretation or redefinition. Jazz anyone? ;)
>
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>
>
> 



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RE: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Rick Faircloth

It's ok to "go away" in your mind sometimes, Bryan, as long as you come
back... :o)


-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:26 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Education


Speaking as a non-musician.

Actually I think I really am onejust never had the time to keep
playing ;-)

I love music and in life and work all I see are patterns and how things
"fit" or could "fit"which to me sounds a lot like what Isaac said
here:


Like lines of code, words can be fit together in rather arbitrary and
novel ways. So instead of having a solid mental model of a large system,
what you have is lots of smaller mental models of an individual units in
that system (a word or a component). Instead of having solid, well-known
relationships between the units, their relationships are ambiguous and
constantly open to interpretation or redefinition.


It's just like in "A Beautiful Mind" where Nash saw the patterns in
encrypted documents etc. (not that I am in any way in the same
league...but you get my drift).  I just see it all in my head and mess
with it there before writing the code.  Kinda drives people nuts when I
"go away" in my head for a bit and come back with a solution to a
problem ;-)

Happy Friday!

Cheers
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RE: Education

2009-10-24 Thread Rick Faircloth

Sounds logical!

Music composition and programming can become overwhelmingly "ethereal"
at times.  Trying to keep my mind wrapped around an idea and all its
components, can just about lead to a "blown mental fuse" at times! :o)

That's when it's time to take some notes, go for a 25-mile bike ride,
let that problem settle in my brain and begin to solve itself, then come
back later and say, "Oh, I hadn't thought of that before!"...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:i...@turnkey.to] 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Education


Rick Faircloth:
> I think you're right, Mark.
> 
> Music, especially theory, is very logical and an lot
> like programming...just a different medium.
> 
> If you get into orchestral composition, it's quite OO. ;o)

I have a completely untested hunch that the language centers of the
brain have more growth in musicians and programmers than in the general
public. 

It seems like sheet music / music theory and coding / programming theory
both are fundamentally about the interpretation of symbols, so it seems
like language development would be the logical neurological link between
them. Friend of mine is a hardware / networking guy, but doesn't do any
programming because he says he just can't retain it. He also happens to
have a tin-ear. ;) 

I think part of the difference there may also be the ability to
visualize the model. In hardware / networking there are actual physical
objects that connect together in a particular, specific way, but with
programming (as with language), that's not the case. 

Like lines of code, words can be fit together in rather arbitrary and
novel ways. So instead of having a solid mental model of a large system,
what you have is lots of smaller mental models of an individual units in
that system (a word or a component). Instead of having solid, well-known
relationships between the units, their relationships are ambiguous and
constantly open to interpretation or redefinition. Jazz anyone? ;) 

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Re: coldfusion to setup iis websites

2009-10-24 Thread Richard White

thanks for the replies!


>hi, is there a way to setup iis websites directly with cf code?
>
>thanks
>
>richard 

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