RE: Why .Net is on its last legs

2010-01-23 Thread Duane Boudreau

Personally, I think the productivity comment in .Net is off-base. I've been 
working in CF since version 1.5. For the past 5 years I've been working in both 
CF and ASP.Net. Honestly I'm just as productive in ASP.Net as CF at this point, 
some times more so. It's possible that it has to do with the amount of tools 
and libraries I've built up over the years.

This is just my personal opinion, my time these days is split about 70% .Net 
and 30% CF so take it for what it's worth. I think most people should at least 
know the basics in both.

Duane

 

-Original Message-
From: Bryn Parrott [mailto:bryn_parr...@internode.on.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:58 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why .Net is on its last legs


 There is plenty of sloppy code in the .Net-i-verse...like you said, 
 it's ultimately about the developer, not the platform. 

I'm not so sure about that.
I've dabbled with .Net on and off over the last couple of years (every time I 
get depressed about job prospects in .CF ...)  and each time I'm driven back to 
CF's big advantage (as I see it) over .Net - productivity.

Microsoft seem to think that developers want to at the lowest level of nuts and 
bolts needed to put together their programs.
By contrast, CF developers can keep their eye at the customers level while 
delivering applications in half the time taken for equivalent functionality in 
.Net

I ponder the question as to why any Client and CIO would want to spend the 
extra money on writing an App in .Net (assuming they are aware of the 
productivity advantages of CF and other technologies); or indeed, on coverting 
an existing app written in CF to .Net (???)
This seems wierd to me.

The only answer that comes to mind is possibly that the CIO is interested in 
justifying his position, it is easy to represent CF as being older technology, 
and a move to .Net as being a move to newer more robust technology.
With .Net he gets to be in charge of a much larger development team, and a 
bigger budget.  

Does that line of reasoning hold water ?




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language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread Carey Duryea

The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer for the 
purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of address.  Would it be 
possible to build this piece of software in coldfusion? is there any limitation 
in using coldfusion for this routine? does anyone know what other mail servers 
use that is the sort of known best language for this.  the idea is to create 
one interface to many server resources, essentially virtualizing the server 
resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was just brainstorming here.  

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jQuery loaded page and cfwddx

2010-01-23 Thread Victor Moore

Hi,

I am loading a cfm page with jQuery.
On that page I use cfwddx.. action=cfml2js...
If I try to access the top variable and it tells me that it's
undefined, bu I can clearly see it in firebug if i expend the jQuery
call that it's there.


any idea what I'm missing?

Thanks
Victor

PS BTW i have also tried to trigger  a click event on a button on the
page and it's not being triggered.

I have tried using the live function too with no success

$(input:button[name='test']).live (click, function(){
alert (this.id);
});

No error but no alert...

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Re: language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread denstar

You can do *anything* with ColdFusion.

ColdFusion is bad-ass.

:DeN

-PS You'll have less headaches if you use a service that specializes
in distributing email for the actual emailing, but if you want a
fast-to-develop, spiffy looking management deal, that can talk to a
grip of other stuff, CFML is the language for you!!!

-- 
Wise kings generally have wise counselors; and he must be a wise man
himself who is capable of distinguishing one.
Diogenes

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Carey  Duryea wrote:

 The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer for the 
 purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of address.  Would it 
 be possible to build this piece of software in coldfusion? is there any 
 limitation in using coldfusion for this routine? does anyone know what other 
 mail servers use that is the sort of known best language for this.  the 
 idea is to create one interface to many server resources, essentially 
 virtualizing the server resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was 
 just brainstorming here.

 

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CFUG and focus (was: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

2010-01-23 Thread Sean Corfield

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
 Well, yes and no. Adobe did have a decent user group system but then
 they consolidated them and it all changed. We had a Portland CF
 Usergroup but then it got changed by Adobe to a PDX RIA group and most
 all of the content and discussion is around Flash and Flex.

That was *not* done by Adobe - it was done by the UG manager.

A lot of CFUGs are being asked to cover non-CF topics - it happens in
my three local groups too. Attendees want a broader range of topics.
That broader range attracts more developers (non-CF developers) and so
the group does better.

If you want your local CFUG to stay CF-focused, you need to encourage
CFers to actually *attend* :)

Look at this:

http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e2olvoj6g4ek9zt3/results

Over a third of respondents *never* attend a UG meeting and nearly 20%
only attend one a year! No wonder CFUGs are struggling - developers
are not supporting them!
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mod_rewrite issue on fusebox 5

2010-01-23 Thread Matthew Gersting

Hey gang,
Having an issue I was hoping someone might have an answer to.

I have a mod_rewrite rule:

RewriteRule ^index.cfm?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html

The problem is that this is not getting caught and rewritten, it's going 
through to the Fusebox.  I've also tried escpacing the ? and the . both 
alone and together (as below) without any luckany thoughts?

RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html
RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test\.test$ bob.html 

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Re: mod_rewrite issue on fusebox 5

2010-01-23 Thread Barney Boisvert

You need a slash at the front of your rule (and you DO need to escape
both the question mark and period):

RewriteRule ^/index.cfm\?fuseaction=test\.test$ bob.html

cheers,
barneyb

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Matthew Gersting mgerst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey gang,
 Having an issue I was hoping someone might have an answer to.

 I have a mod_rewrite rule:

 RewriteRule ^index.cfm?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html

 The problem is that this is not getting caught and rewritten, it's going 
 through to the Fusebox.  I've also tried escpacing the ? and the . both 
 alone and together (as below) without any luckany thoughts?

 RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html
 RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test\.test$ bob.html

 

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Re: language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread Carey Duryea

Diogenes rather mad man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue.  what i'm trying 
to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer application.  
what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a 
typical dedicated server?  does anyone know.  something a little less obscure 
then coldfusion can do anything haha 

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Re: jQuery loaded page and cfwddx

2010-01-23 Thread lists

I assume you're using a get call. What happens when you console.log  
the argument passed to your success callback function?

If you're not using getjson Then most likely you need to evaluate the  
argument before it's ready to be used.

On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Victorng  Moore victor.mo...@gmail.com  
wrote:


 Hi,

 I am loading a cfm page with jQuery.
 On that page I use cfwddx.. action=cfml2js...
 If I try to access the top variable and it tells me that it's
 undefined, bu I can clearly see it in firebug if i expend the jQuery
 call that it's there.


 any idea what I'm missing?

 Thanks
 Victor

 PS BTW i have also tried to trigger  a click event on a button on the
 page and it's not being triggered.

 I have tried using the live function too with no success

 $(input:button[name='test']).live (click, function(){
alert (this.id);
});

 No error but no alert...

 

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Re: language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread Carey Duryea

Diogenes rather mad man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue.  what i'm trying 
to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer application.  
what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a 
typical dedicated server?  does anyone know.  something a little less obscure 
then coldfusion can do anything haha 



 The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer 
 for the purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of 
 address.  Would it be possible to build this piece of software in 
 coldfusion? is there any limitation in using coldfusion for this 
 routine? does anyone know what other mail servers use that is the sort 
 of known best language for this.  the idea is to create one 
 interface to many server resources, essentially virtualizing the 
 server resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was just 
 brainstorming here.  


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Coldfusion and oracle stored procedure

2010-01-23 Thread fun and learning

Hi All -

I was learning on oracle stored procedures and retrieving the results from 
Coldfusion. I am using ref cursor for reading a table in the database. The 
procedure is as follows:

create or replace
PROCEDURE EMP_REF_CURSOR 

AS 

TYPE cur_emp IS REF CURSOR RETURN EMPLOYEES%ROWTYPE;

v_cur_emp cur_emp;
v_employees employees%ROWTYPE;

BEGIN 
 OPEN v_cur_emp FOR
 SELECT * FROM EMPLOYEES;
 
  LOOP
FETCH v_cur_emp 
INTO v_employees;  

 EXIT WHEN v_cur_emp%NOTFOUND;
DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('p_employee_id = ' ||  v_employees.employee_id || ', 
p_first_name = ' || v_employees.first_name || ', p_last_name = ' || 
v_employees.last_name);
  END LOOP;
 CLOSE v_cur_emp;
END EMP_REF_CURSOR;

I am using the following code in coldfusion to access the stored proc:

cfstoredproc datasource=oraclelearn procedure=emp_ref_cursor

cfprocresult name=returnEmployees resultset=1

/cfstoredproc

cfdump var=#returnEmployees#

Coldfusion is throwing an error that it does not find the returnEmployees. Can 
anyone please tell me what I am doing wrong. The stored procedure runs fine in 
SQL Developer.

Thanks a lot 

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Re: jQuery loaded page and cfwddx

2010-01-23 Thread Victor Moore

Yes, it's a get.
It seems that after I restarted the browser the jQuery event click on
the button works.
But I still can't access the toplevelvariable that was setup by the
cfddx call when the page was
loaded.

Thanks
Victor

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:27 PM, lists li...@commadelimited.com wrote:

 I assume you're using a get call. What happens when you console.log
 the argument passed to your success callback function?

 If you're not using getjson Then most likely you need to evaluate the
 argument before it's ready to be used.

 On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Victorng  Moore victor.mo...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hi,

 I am loading a cfm page with jQuery.
 On that page I use cfwddx.. action=cfml2js...
 If I try to access the top variable and it tells me that it's
 undefined, bu I can clearly see it in firebug if i expend the jQuery
 call that it's there.


 any idea what I'm missing?

 Thanks
 Victor

 PS BTW i have also tried to trigger  a click event on a button on the
 page and it's not being triggered.

 I have tried using the live function too with no success

 $(input:button[name='test']).live (click, function(){
            alert (this.id);
            });

 No error but no alert...



 

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Re: Coldfusion and oracle stored procedure

2010-01-23 Thread James Holmes

You need to have the ref cursor as an out parameter:

create or replace
PROCEDURE EMP_REF_CURSOR (v_cur_emp OUT cur_emp)
AS...

This means that your procedure will need to be in a package so you can
declare the ref cursor outside of the procedure.

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/



2010/1/24 fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com:

 Hi All -

 I was learning on oracle stored procedures and retrieving the results from 
 Coldfusion. I am using ref cursor for reading a table in the database. The 
 procedure is as follows:

 create or replace
 PROCEDURE EMP_REF_CURSOR

 AS

 TYPE cur_emp IS REF CURSOR RETURN EMPLOYEES%ROWTYPE;

 v_cur_emp cur_emp;
 v_employees employees%ROWTYPE;

 BEGIN
  OPEN v_cur_emp FOR
  SELECT * FROM EMPLOYEES;

  LOOP
    FETCH v_cur_emp
    INTO v_employees;

     EXIT WHEN v_cur_emp%NOTFOUND;
    DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('p_employee_id = ' ||  v_employees.employee_id || ', 
 p_first_name = ' || v_employees.first_name || ', p_last_name = ' || 
 v_employees.last_name);
  END LOOP;
  CLOSE v_cur_emp;
 END EMP_REF_CURSOR;

 I am using the following code in coldfusion to access the stored proc:

 cfstoredproc datasource=oraclelearn procedure=emp_ref_cursor

        cfprocresult name=returnEmployees resultset=1

 /cfstoredproc

 cfdump var=#returnEmployees#

 Coldfusion is throwing an error that it does not find the returnEmployees. 
 Can anyone please tell me what I am doing wrong. The stored procedure runs 
 fine in SQL Developer.

 Thanks a lot

 

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Re: Coldfusion and oracle stored procedure

2010-01-23 Thread James Holmes

I also noticed that you've looped over and closed the cursor - if you
do that, CF won't be able to read from it.

Just open it and let CF worry about fetching from it and closing it.

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/



2010/1/24 James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com:
 You need to have the ref cursor as an out parameter:

 create or replace
 PROCEDURE EMP_REF_CURSOR (v_cur_emp OUT cur_emp)
 AS...

 This means that your procedure will need to be in a package so you can
 declare the ref cursor outside of the procedure.

 mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
 http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/



 2010/1/24 fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com:

 Hi All -

 I was learning on oracle stored procedures and retrieving the results from 
 Coldfusion. I am using ref cursor for reading a table in the database. The 
 procedure is as follows:

 create or replace
 PROCEDURE EMP_REF_CURSOR

 AS

 TYPE cur_emp IS REF CURSOR RETURN EMPLOYEES%ROWTYPE;

 v_cur_emp cur_emp;
 v_employees employees%ROWTYPE;

 BEGIN
  OPEN v_cur_emp FOR
  SELECT * FROM EMPLOYEES;

  LOOP
    FETCH v_cur_emp
    INTO v_employees;

     EXIT WHEN v_cur_emp%NOTFOUND;
    DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE('p_employee_id = ' ||  v_employees.employee_id || ', 
 p_first_name = ' || v_employees.first_name || ', p_last_name = ' || 
 v_employees.last_name);
  END LOOP;
  CLOSE v_cur_emp;
 END EMP_REF_CURSOR;

 I am using the following code in coldfusion to access the stored proc:

 cfstoredproc datasource=oraclelearn procedure=emp_ref_cursor

        cfprocresult name=returnEmployees resultset=1

 /cfstoredproc

 cfdump var=#returnEmployees#

 Coldfusion is throwing an error that it does not find the returnEmployees. 
 Can anyone please tell me what I am doing wrong. The stored procedure runs 
 fine in SQL Developer.

 Thanks a lot

 

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RE: jQuery loaded page and cfwddx

2010-01-23 Thread lists

Victor...

What version of CF are you using? Can you share your code? That would be
much simpler. I went ahead and threw together a quick example of how cfwddx
and an ajax call should work. Both files should be placed in the same
directory. Note that when test.html first loads, you'll get an alert with
plain text...that's the string that's actually being returned by the cfm
page. Before it can be used as JavaScript, it must first be evaluated.


TEST.CFM
-
cfscript
myStruct = {};
myStruct['one'] = 1;
myStruct['two'] = 2;
myStruct['three'] = 3;
/cfscript
cfwddx action=cfml2js input=#myStruct# topLevelVariable=d


TEST.HTML
-
html
head
title new document /title
script src=jquery/jquery-1.3.1.min.js
type=text/javascript/script
script type=text/javascript
!--
$(document).ready(function(){
$.get('test.cfm', function(data){
alert(data);
eval(data);
console.log(d);
alert(d['two']);
});
});
//--
/script
/head
body
!--- left empty ---
/body
/html

Hope this helps you out.

-Original Message-
From: Victor Moore [mailto:victor.mo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:55 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: jQuery loaded page and cfwddx


Yes, it's a get.
It seems that after I restarted the browser the jQuery event click on the
button works.
But I still can't access the toplevelvariable that was setup by the cfddx
call when the page was loaded.

Thanks
Victor

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:27 PM, lists li...@commadelimited.com wrote:

 I assume you're using a get call. What happens when you console.log 
 the argument passed to your success callback function?

 If you're not using getjson Then most likely you need to evaluate the 
 argument before it's ready to be used.

 On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Victorng  Moore victor.mo...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hi,

 I am loading a cfm page with jQuery.
 On that page I use cfwddx.. action=cfml2js...
 If I try to access the top variable and it tells me that it's 
 undefined, bu I can clearly see it in firebug if i expend the jQuery 
 call that it's there.


 any idea what I'm missing?

 Thanks
 Victor

 PS BTW i have also tried to trigger  a click event on a button on the 
 page and it's not being triggered.

 I have tried using the live function too with no success

 $(input:button[name='test']).live (click, function(){
            alert (this.id);
            });

 No error but no alert...



 



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RE: language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread brad

If you're asking what kind of load CF can handle as far as sending mail,
I've always gotten the impression it's pretty robust.

The people in this thread claim to be sending 20 thousand E-mails an
hour:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:32042#160778

~Brad


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: language for mailer
From: Carey Duryea ca...@keepingitgreen.net
Date: Sat, January 23, 2010 5:24 pm
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com


Diogenes rather mad man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language, but this is DEFINITELY
not about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue. what
i'm trying to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer
application. what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand
emails an hour out of a typical dedicated server? does anyone know.
something a little less obscure then coldfusion can do anything haha 




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Re: language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread Dave Watts

 Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
 about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever
 argue.  what i'm trying to figure out is what can i interface with to create 
 a mailer application.  what technology is going to produce
 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a typical dedicated server?  does 
 anyone know.  something a little less obscure then
 coldfusion can do anything haha

CF uses Javamail under the covers, and Javamail is certainly capable
of this. However, there are differences between Enterprise and
Standard with regard to sending mail, so you will probably need
Enterprise for this. You'll also need a reliable and fast SMTP server
to accept the mail from CF.

All that said, Denny's recommendation to have this done by a
specialized service may be a good idea. Just because you can send lots
of mail from CF doesn't mean that people will get it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: language for mailer

2010-01-23 Thread Carey Duryea

sorry i didn't realize that it goes into a que or something, and posted three 
times~! how redundant.  i wonder if anyone else has some numeric value examples 
of applicatoins in cf that are sending out mail,  i know its resource dependent 
, like memory on server etc but still,  if you have a dedicated server, how 
would you value the resource usage of sending one email of a certain average 
size per Gig of ram , or whatever resources used to send email,  

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