Re: coldfusion equivalent to php json_encode
On Friday 25 Jun 2010 18:26:33 you wrote: however we cannot seem to find an equivalent in coldfusion, we have tried cfabort and setting the showError attribute, and with the SerializeJSON but doesnt appear to work I suggest looking at what is being returned with FireBug or something, it's possible your results structure is slightly different. You can always build the JSON string by hand... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to appropriately pursue professional clicks-and-mortar viral action- items as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word “partner” to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.co ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334888 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Shopping carts
I've only tested it once and wasn't impressed - but maybe it's evolved since I treid it out a long while ago. BTW, I was referencing Charlie Griefer in my long post last week, I meant Charlie Arehart of course!!! Here's his link on CF411 on CF-based e-commerce solutions: http://www.carehart.org/cf411/#ecm Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:28:35 +1000 Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts From: dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Bringing this back on topic has anyone got any opinions about CFShopKart? -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334889 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
I used CFShopKart a few years back before it was free and had a pretty poor experience. The list of cart features were good, but I found its implementation very poor with duplicate code, scores of bugs, messy markup and sparse responses from the developer when attempting to contact him regarding the bugs I found. I haven't looked at it recently so it may be better now. On 28 June 2010 15:28, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote: Bringing this back on topic has anyone got any opinions about CFShopKart? -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334890 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
Thats why i like the idea of my own shopping cart. I find it takes longer to track down a bug in someone else's code and fix it (or get a support ticket attended to ) than in my own code. And at least i know they are my own bugs!(I always make such a better class of bug, you know? g ) When you make your own code you learn a lot more about how everything bolts together. It's not a principle that always works, but for basic things like a CMS or a catalogue or a shopping cart I think its better to invest in your own code and use that for client sites. (always assuming that your own code is good enough of course) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Kevan Stannard ke...@stannard.net.auwrote: I used CFShopKart a few years back before it was free and had a pretty poor experience. The list of cart features were good, but I found its implementation very poor with duplicate code, scores of bugs, messy markup and sparse responses from the developer when attempting to contact him regarding the bugs I found. I haven't looked at it recently so it may be better now. On 28 June 2010 15:28, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote: Bringing this back on topic has anyone got any opinions about CFShopKart? -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334891 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
My problem with this Kart is the amount of holes in it. I had an entire server brought down from defacement from this... however, some of that was the lack of sandboxing the app to its own space. Essentially, it was not validating ANY user input (or URL input) and allowing script kiddies access to the DB and its result set in the title of every page of the site based on the URL params you passed in. It didn't store username/password combination in the database, and once they were in to the admin page, they had free reign to upload pages at will. I closed this hole on my local copy, and will never use this code for any other kart again ever. I'm rolling my own for all future clients. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334892 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Using CF_SQL_REFCURSOR to send data to Oracle via a stored procedure
I have a large array of struct I'm trying to send to oracle. Right now I'm converting it to a clob using delimiters, then parsing the result on the oracle end. It's not running well on oracle due to all the parsing. I was hoping I could turn the array into a refcursor and send that to oracle to avoid the parsing.. I can't find any examples on Google so I was hoping someone could tell me if it is possible and maybe provide some code. I am running CFMX 8 and Oracle 10g Thanks! Warren Koch ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334893 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF9 Installer Error with Apache 2.2.14
I'd like to install CF9 Server Standard on MacOS 10.6.4. XAMPP 1.7.3 is installed, also. Both XAMPP and the OS have Apache 2.2.14 installed. When the CF9 installer gets to the point of Configure Web Servers/Websites, I add the relevant paths (are they correct?) Config Directory: /Applications/XAMPP/xamppfiles/etc Dir and FN of server binary: /Applications/XAMPP/xamppfiles/etc/httpd.conf Dir and FN of server control script: /Applications/XAMPP/xamppfiles/bin/apachectl When I click the Add Web Server Configuration dialog's OK button, this error is thrown: Adobe ColdFusion 8 does not support this version of Apache. The earliest support Apache version are 1.3.12 or later for Apache 1.x and 2.0.43 or later for Apache 2.x So, how do I get CF9 installed? Thank you! * JB * JB Mentzer ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334894 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
DB2 EBCDIC translation issue
I know it's usually pretty pointless to post my DB2 issues to cf-talk but it's always worth a shot. I have an issue (64 bit coldfusion 8.0.1 multi-server on Win2k8) where, if I do a simple query to our DB2 mainframe database, the exclamation mark character in any string fields is returned as a right closing bracket instead. I believe this is because the driver or wrapper is improperly translating the exclamation mark from the EBCDIC character set into ASCII - supposed to be ascii 33 but is coming through as ascii 93 instead. I think this might be specific to coldfusion's JDBC wrapper, because it occurs when I use the built in JDBC driver (from Data Direct, I think), as well as a third party JDBC driver that we purchased (StarSQL DB2). I suspect I need to call Adobe on this, but thought I'd hit the list first. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334895 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Installer Error with Apache 2.2.14
Look at the ACME Guide - http://www.acidlabs.org/public-speaking/goodies/ Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Community Professional - ColdFusion Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Co-Author of Learning Ext JS http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com J.B. Mentzer wrote: I'd like to install CF9 Server Standard on MacOS 10.6.4. XAMPP 1.7.3 is installed, also. Both XAMPP and the OS have Apache 2.2.14 installed. When the CF9 installer gets to the point of Configure Web Servers/Websites, I add the relevant paths (are they correct?) Config Directory: /Applications/XAMPP/xamppfiles/etc Dir and FN of server binary: /Applications/XAMPP/xamppfiles/etc/httpd.conf Dir and FN of server control script: /Applications/XAMPP/xamppfiles/bin/apachectl When I click the Add Web Server Configuration dialog's OK button, this error is thrown: Adobe ColdFusion 8 does not support this version of Apache. The earliest support Apache version are 1.3.12 or later for Apache 1.x and 2.0.43 or later for Apache 2.x So, how do I get CF9 installed? Thank you! * JB * JB Mentzer ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334896 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Contact for FullAsAGoog?
Is it just me or is there no contact information on the FullAsAGoog web site? I was looking for a way to register a new RSS feed, but I am missing something here. Anybody know how or have a contact for the aggregator? Thanks -- Jeff -- Jeff Chastain President/CEO, Admentus, Inc. http://www.admentus.com http://ams.admentus.com Admentus is a custom web based solutions provider, delivering business software applications, systems integration, strategic consulting, and ColdFusion application maintenance services which allow our clients to grow their business and plan for the future. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Contact for FullAsAGoog?
He's a mystery, wrapped in an enigma. -Original Message- From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:li...@admentus.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:53 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Contact for FullAsAGoog? Is it just me or is there no contact information on the FullAsAGoog web site? I was looking for a way to register a new RSS feed, but I am missing something here. Anybody know how or have a contact for the aggregator? Thanks -- Jeff -- Jeff Chastain President/CEO, Admentus, Inc. http://www.admentus.com http://ams.admentus.com Admentus is a custom web based solutions provider, delivering business software applications, systems integration, strategic consulting, and ColdFusion application maintenance services which allow our clients to grow their business and plan for the future. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Contact for FullAsAGoog?
Geoff Bowers http://twitter.com/modius =] On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: He's a mystery, wrapped in an enigma. -Original Message- From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:li...@admentus.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:53 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Contact for FullAsAGoog? Is it just me or is there no contact information on the FullAsAGoog web site? I was looking for a way to register a new RSS feed, but I am missing something here. Anybody know how or have a contact for the aggregator? Thanks -- Jeff -- Jeff Chastain President/CEO, Admentus, Inc. http://www.admentus.com http://ams.admentus.com Admentus is a custom web based solutions provider, delivering business software applications, systems integration, strategic consulting, and ColdFusion application maintenance services which allow our clients to grow their business and plan for the future. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334899 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Contact for FullAsAGoog?
Thanks. On 6/28/2010 5:03 PM, Alan Rother wrote: Geoff Bowers http://twitter.com/modius =] -- Jeff Chastain President/CEO, Admentus, Inc. http://www.admentus.com http://ams.admentus.com Admentus is a custom web based solutions provider, delivering business software applications, systems integration, strategic consulting, and ColdFusion application maintenance services which allow our clients to grow their business and plan for the future. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334900 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
Sorry if I don't buy the BS elitist attitude there. In defense of Seans comments, I do not see this above statement to be even remotely true. Sean has always had a great ability to just say it like it is-- And I have to agree with him this time-- Please take Sean's statements for what they are, he is not singling out people or projecting an elitist POV-- he is a powerful voice of reasoning that has considerable and very valuable experience in this field, if he says something you do not agree with, there is a very good chance you could be wrong. ( I know this from my personal ego battles with myself ). This type of bashing is not doing anything productive, and in fact is just confirming what Sean said is the problems with the CF community compared to other OS community's. Especially someone like *Sean Corfield* who contributes a huge amount of time and awesome code for FREE -- (-*-reminder to self. send Sean more free T-shirts* :) If you need something for free it is out there-- you can find it-- but the statement Sean made was just making a point about software and fees associated with them-- thats it. I have to agree with Sean too, if a few hundred dollars is too much when you are looking for a paid CF cart compared to rolling your own you are in the wrong business. The people shouldn't even hire you to do it, because in the long-run, it will cost them 10 times to pay someone who is inept then to just pay for the real deal from the get-go-- that is a simple fact. If you ever have to inherit some newbie's legacy code, you will know exactly what I am talking about-- I was a newbie once too-- I have inherited all my own legacy apps-- and man did I suck at it. Even a struggling business in a poor economy should have a few hundred dollars-- I mean if 3-400 dollars has to be even discussed by a company or a developer when trying to decide if this important part of the project can be afforded or not, one must really consider if the business model is even viable at all. Especially if the software is complete-- the time to develop a cart yourself, or modify one of the existing FOSS solutions that could even remotely compare to just the limited solutions that are available in the CF world, would easily take months-- if not longer. Ill bet even CFShopCart (even with its flaws) took hundreds of hours-- if not longer to build-- the money spent on it would be a huge discount compared to doing it yourself. I deal with 9 clients right now, and they deal with 6 figure decisions on a daily basis, as do many mom and pops-- yes every corner store in the USA looks at 6 figure bills every year. Sean does know what he is talking about-- he really does-- this conversation is not about the one-off bs contract job for a startup mom and pops that is friends of your uncle Joe :) This is about bringing something (FOSSCFCART) that does not exist to our community and what it will take to pull it off. Now that is out, I am glad to see some people responding-- especially people who have positive influence on the CF community (you know who you are) and have something of value to say. Like I mentioned, I am willing to put my resources into this-- I have 12 years experience in the eCommerce world and I have the backing and capital of many well known clients who are all willing to put real resources into a FOSS CF cart. Anyone with me? Or am I on my own? -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334901 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Shopping carts
I think you assume too much. First off...I'm not a newbie. It also doesn't matter who said it. I have a lot of respect for Sean and what he has done, but that doesn't negate the fact that his comments were elitist BS, regardless if he is telling it like it is...that is just a cop out. My client can't afford much. I am actually doing this job as a favor on promise of payment as he can afford it. As I am also otherwise unemployed right now I also can't afford it. Most of the consulting I do is via agencies, but my last one was 1099, so no unemployment to hold me out till my next contract. (we just recently moved and pretty much depleted what little we had in savings to accomplish that) While I am glad you and Sean are rolling in the dough, that is not the case for everyone. Yours and Sean's assumption that $200 or $500 is chump change is pretty elitist. I wish I had the ability to dump that kind of cash, but I live in the real world with a family to take care of. -Original Message- From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts Sorry if I don't buy the BS elitist attitude there. In defense of Seans comments, I do not see this above statement to be even remotely true. Sean has always had a great ability to just say it like it is-- And I have to agree with him this time-- Please take Sean's statements for what they are, he is not singling out people or projecting an elitist POV-- he is a powerful voice of reasoning that has considerable and very valuable experience in this field, if he says something you do not agree with, there is a very good chance you could be wrong. ( I know this from my personal ego battles with myself ). This type of bashing is not doing anything productive, and in fact is just confirming what Sean said is the problems with the CF community compared to other OS community's. Especially someone like *Sean Corfield* who contributes a huge amount of time and awesome code for FREE -- (-*-reminder to self. send Sean more free T-shirts* :) If you need something for free it is out there-- you can find it-- but the statement Sean made was just making a point about software and fees associated with them-- thats it. I have to agree with Sean too, if a few hundred dollars is too much when you are looking for a paid CF cart compared to rolling your own you are in the wrong business. The people shouldn't even hire you to do it, because in the long-run, it will cost them 10 times to pay someone who is inept then to just pay for the real deal from the get-go-- that is a simple fact. If you ever have to inherit some newbie's legacy code, you will know exactly what I am talking about-- I was a newbie once too-- I have inherited all my own legacy apps-- and man did I suck at it. Even a struggling business in a poor economy should have a few hundred dollars-- I mean if 3-400 dollars has to be even discussed by a company or a developer when trying to decide if this important part of the project can be afforded or not, one must really consider if the business model is even viable at all. Especially if the software is complete-- the time to develop a cart yourself, or modify one of the existing FOSS solutions that could even remotely compare to just the limited solutions that are available in the CF world, would easily take months-- if not longer. Ill bet even CFShopCart (even with its flaws) took hundreds of hours-- if not longer to build-- the money spent on it would be a huge discount compared to doing it yourself. I deal with 9 clients right now, and they deal with 6 figure decisions on a daily basis, as do many mom and pops-- yes every corner store in the USA looks at 6 figure bills every year. Sean does know what he is talking about-- he really does-- this conversation is not about the one-off bs contract job for a startup mom and pops that is friends of your uncle Joe :) This is about bringing something (FOSSCFCART) that does not exist to our community and what it will take to pull it off. Now that is out, I am glad to see some people responding-- especially people who have positive influence on the CF community (you know who you are) and have something of value to say. Like I mentioned, I am willing to put my resources into this-- I have 12 years experience in the eCommerce world and I have the backing and capital of many well known clients who are all willing to put real resources into a FOSS CF cart. Anyone with me? Or am I on my own? -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334902
Re: CF Shopping carts
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: While I am glad you and Sean are rolling in the dough We've already been over this in another thread on this list a little while back, when I explained my financial situation because of a similar attack on me - by you - during the ColdFusion Builder thread. Here's my reply to you there: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332221 And here's the full thread where you were the first to respond, criticizing Adobe for charging $299 for ColdFusion Builder: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:61097 -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334903 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
C'mon Eric. Let's keep these types of comments on cf-comm where they belong. okees? :) Does it need to be cf? Could you use paypal shopping cart? Something that's more geared towards a higher transaction fee but no upfront cost? https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/sc-intro-outside On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I think you assume too much. First off...I'm not a newbie. It also doesn't matter who said it. I have a lot of respect for Sean and what he has done, but that doesn't negate the fact that his comments were elitist BS, regardless if he is telling it like it is...that is just a cop out. My client can't afford much. I am actually doing this job as a favor on promise of payment as he can afford it. As I am also otherwise unemployed right now I also can't afford it. Most of the consulting I do is via agencies, but my last one was 1099, so no unemployment to hold me out till my next contract. (we just recently moved and pretty much depleted what little we had in savings to accomplish that) While I am glad you and Sean are rolling in the dough, that is not the case for everyone. Yours and Sean's assumption that $200 or $500 is chump change is pretty elitist. I wish I had the ability to dump that kind of cash, but I live in the real world with a family to take care of. -Original Message- From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts Sorry if I don't buy the BS elitist attitude there. In defense of Seans comments, I do not see this above statement to be even remotely true. Sean has always had a great ability to just say it like it is-- And I have to agree with him this time-- Please take Sean's statements for what they are, he is not singling out people or projecting an elitist POV-- he is a powerful voice of reasoning that has considerable and very valuable experience in this field, if he says something you do not agree with, there is a very good chance you could be wrong. ( I know this from my personal ego battles with myself ). This type of bashing is not doing anything productive, and in fact is just confirming what Sean said is the problems with the CF community compared to other OS community's. Especially someone like *Sean Corfield* who contributes a huge amount of time and awesome code for FREE -- (-*-reminder to self. send Sean more free T-shirts* :) If you need something for free it is out there-- you can find it-- but the statement Sean made was just making a point about software and fees associated with them-- thats it. I have to agree with Sean too, if a few hundred dollars is too much when you are looking for a paid CF cart compared to rolling your own you are in the wrong business. The people shouldn't even hire you to do it, because in the long-run, it will cost them 10 times to pay someone who is inept then to just pay for the real deal from the get-go-- that is a simple fact. If you ever have to inherit some newbie's legacy code, you will know exactly what I am talking about-- I was a newbie once too-- I have inherited all my own legacy apps-- and man did I suck at it. Even a struggling business in a poor economy should have a few hundred dollars-- I mean if 3-400 dollars has to be even discussed by a company or a developer when trying to decide if this important part of the project can be afforded or not, one must really consider if the business model is even viable at all. Especially if the software is complete-- the time to develop a cart yourself, or modify one of the existing FOSS solutions that could even remotely compare to just the limited solutions that are available in the CF world, would easily take months-- if not longer. Ill bet even CFShopCart (even with its flaws) took hundreds of hours-- if not longer to build-- the money spent on it would be a huge discount compared to doing it yourself. I deal with 9 clients right now, and they deal with 6 figure decisions on a daily basis, as do many mom and pops-- yes every corner store in the USA looks at 6 figure bills every year. Sean does know what he is talking about-- he really does-- this conversation is not about the one-off bs contract job for a startup mom and pops that is friends of your uncle Joe :) This is about bringing something (FOSSCFCART) that does not exist to our community and what it will take to pull it off. Now that is out, I am glad to see some people responding-- especially people who have positive influence on the CF community (you know who you are) and have something of value to say. Like I mentioned, I am willing to put my resources into this-- I have 12 years experience in the eCommerce world and I have the backing and capital of many well known clients who are all willing to put real resources into a FOSS CF cart. Anyone with me? Or
Re: CF Shopping carts
@eric, in all respect of you, and all hard working people. Please don't assume that we are all rolling in cash just because we have some insight on critical business decisions. I am currently working my pile of receipts and bills-- as I too am struggling in a bad economy-- I too am all 1090-- have been for over 20 years. I also raised a stepdaughter (24 in grad school), maintain our health insurance etc... all on a self educated career. Built on the back of giants (like Mr. Corfield). But I also work 16+ hours a day, and wouldn't think twice about flipping burgers if I had too to afford a tool that would make me better at my job.. Seans statements were not elitist BS.. you are incorrect. Maybe there are edge cases like yours that do not fit his generalizations, but the general statement is still true. If you want Free, it is out there-- but you insist on stating that its a lot of money for software, but it is just not-- You have a ton of options for your friend, I too do charity work, quite often-- But I don't use enterprise level software like CF-- I use PHP/OSC/PAYPAL etc. There are tons of FREE solutions, you are looking for oranges in an apple tree my friend :) There are too many analogy's for this for me to iterate. I *don't* have a pile of cash, but I *don't* consider Sean's statements to be elitist. -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334905 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Shopping carts
Blah, blah, blah. @ Kevin. I am pretty much a newbie, but I'm good for documentation writing, testing, whatever. Good for several hour/week. Could also pitch in a few dollars if that doesn't violate the FOSS'ness. Mark -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF Shopping carts I think you assume too much. First off...I'm not a newbie. It also doesn't matter who said it. I have a lot of respect for Sean and what he has done, but that doesn't negate the fact that his comments were elitist BS, regardless if he is telling it like it is...that is just a cop out. My client can't afford much. I am actually doing this job as a favor on promise of payment as he can afford it. As I am also otherwise unemployed right now I also can't afford it. Most of the consulting I do is via agencies, but my last one was 1099, so no unemployment to hold me out till my next contract. (we just recently moved and pretty much depleted what little we had in savings to accomplish that) While I am glad you and Sean are rolling in the dough, that is not the case for everyone. Yours and Sean's assumption that $200 or $500 is chump change is pretty elitist. I wish I had the ability to dump that kind of cash, but I live in the real world with a family to take care of. -Original Message- From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts Sorry if I don't buy the BS elitist attitude there. In defense of Seans comments, I do not see this above statement to be even remotely true. Sean has always had a great ability to just say it like it is-- And I have to agree with him this time-- Please take Sean's statements for what they are, he is not singling out people or projecting an elitist POV-- he is a powerful voice of reasoning that has considerable and very valuable experience in this field, if he says something you do not agree with, there is a very good chance you could be wrong. ( I know this from my personal ego battles with myself ). This type of bashing is not doing anything productive, and in fact is just confirming what Sean said is the problems with the CF community compared to other OS community's. Especially someone like *Sean Corfield* who contributes a huge amount of time and awesome code for FREE -- (-*-reminder to self. send Sean more free T-shirts* :) If you need something for free it is out there-- you can find it-- but the statement Sean made was just making a point about software and fees associated with them-- thats it. I have to agree with Sean too, if a few hundred dollars is too much when you are looking for a paid CF cart compared to rolling your own you are in the wrong business. The people shouldn't even hire you to do it, because in the long-run, it will cost them 10 times to pay someone who is inept then to just pay for the real deal from the get-go-- that is a simple fact. If you ever have to inherit some newbie's legacy code, you will know exactly what I am talking about-- I was a newbie once too-- I have inherited all my own legacy apps-- and man did I suck at it. Even a struggling business in a poor economy should have a few hundred dollars-- I mean if 3-400 dollars has to be even discussed by a company or a developer when trying to decide if this important part of the project can be afforded or not, one must really consider if the business model is even viable at all. Especially if the software is complete-- the time to develop a cart yourself, or modify one of the existing FOSS solutions that could even remotely compare to just the limited solutions that are available in the CF world, would easily take months-- if not longer. Ill bet even CFShopCart (even with its flaws) took hundreds of hours-- if not longer to build-- the money spent on it would be a huge discount compared to doing it yourself. I deal with 9 clients right now, and they deal with 6 figure decisions on a daily basis, as do many mom and pops-- yes every corner store in the USA looks at 6 figure bills every year. Sean does know what he is talking about-- he really does-- this conversation is not about the one-off bs contract job for a startup mom and pops that is friends of your uncle Joe :) This is about bringing something (FOSSCFCART) that does not exist to our community and what it will take to pull it off. Now that is out, I am glad to see some people responding-- especially people who have positive influence on the CF community (you know who you are) and have something of value to say. Like I mentioned, I am willing to put my resources into this-- I have 12 years experience in the eCommerce world and I have the backing and capital of many well known clients who are all willing to put real resources into a FOSS CF cart. Anyone with me? Or am I on my own? -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to
Re: CF Shopping carts
@Mark Awesome, Thats the attitude! I am in the process of consulting with an attorney just for legalese. When I get the domain set up, I want to start with a foundation that is driven by the community-- that way the base code is not even started until we have a good idea of what the foundation should carry. Thanks for the positivity. -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334907 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Shopping carts
No problem...but just an FYI, I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple CF FOSS attempts get as far as a committee/planning stage. Here's to hoping this one gets further. What about a paid approach...maybe a paid plug in for Railo? Free licenses for those who contribute? Maybe base it on FW/1? Not at all against FOSS, just want to see this work. Mark -Original Message- From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts @Mark Awesome, Thats the attitude! I am in the process of consulting with an attorney just for legalese. When I get the domain set up, I want to start with a foundation that is driven by the community-- that way the base code is not even started until we have a good idea of what the foundation should carry. Thanks for the positivity. -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334908 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
@mark I would love to see the cart be framework agnostic-- then have the ability to have demos on various frameworks. I do think CF has matured to the point where this can be done. Usually things like this fail because they don't have the right combination of resources, planning, drive, and ability-- the first item being the most important. I think we have started something that has access to all those things already-- Time will tell. -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334909 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: DB2 EBCDIC translation issue [spamtrap bayes][spamtrap heur]
On 6/29/2010 2:28 AM, Rick Root wrote: wrapper is improperly translating the exclamation mark from the EBCDIC character set into ASCII - supposed to be ascii 33 but is coming through as ascii 93 instead. seen this? your exact problem is mentioned: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0506chong/index.html does either driver support connection strings? can you add a codepage, i think maybe 37 (just typing that makes my skin crawl)? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334910 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Kevin Pepperman chorno...@gmail.com wrote: I am in the process of consulting with an attorney just for legalese. When I get the domain set up, I want to start with a foundation that is driven by the community-- that way the base code is not even started until we have a good idea of what the foundation should carry. You might want to talk to Jason Delmore @ 4cff.org since they've already gone through the whole incorporation as a not-for-profit stuff in order to provide OSS software with infrastructure and legal backing... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334911 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
ColdFusion Builder Auto-Indent
I am giving CFBuilder a whirl, and am having difficulty finding how to enable the auto-indenting, or smart indenting as I believe it is called in other IDEs. According to the docs (link below) this is supported. However, I do not see any such option in my installation. http://tinyurl.com/28mhvhb Am I missing something? Are the docs wrong? Thanks in advance. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334912 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Shopping carts
Thanks Sean. Any input on this is immensely helpful. I have participated in several OSS projects but I have never started one, but I do have the backing, ability and determination. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: You might want to talk to Jason Delmore @ 4cff.org since they've already gone through the whole incorporation as a not-for-profit stuff in order to provide OSS software with infrastructure and legal backing... -- /Kevin Pepperman They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334913 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
