Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I do Fed work, and I'm stuck still supporting IE 6 and up... :( Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:27 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Contractor... so I get the hand me downs On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbushquackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewartwebmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.comwrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348744 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
HTML5 Browser Support
On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348745 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
On 11/15/2011 5:06 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: The CF javascript libraries for UI work (cfdiv, cfwindow, etc) were based on the ExtJS library (which then merged with Sencha). Adobe/Macromedia, as far as I'm aware, never contributed any work to that project but did license it. Going forward, it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life and they have definitely contributed resources to some of those projects, JQuery Mobile in particular. First, ExtJS didn't merge with Sencha. The company became Sencha after acquiring JQTouch and Raphael, with their principles joining the company. ExtJS is still ExtJS. Yes, Adobe is investing a ton of resources to JQuery and JQuery Mobile. One advantage to that might be to stop paying Sencha licensing fees in ColdFusion in the future. Current downside is, JQuery (UI) doesn't contain most of the components CF is using (Grids, Trees, Menus, Layouts, etc). JQUI is working on them, but it'll be awhile, whereas ExtJS has an extensive application component library, and has for years, along with a mobile library that is also well positioned for app development (Sencha Touch). I still see JQueryUI and JQuery Mobile as *site* libraries, and Ext JS and Sencha Touch as *application* libraries. Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348746 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: HTML5 Browser Support
While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348747 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: HTML5 Browser Support
Not to agree with Ray but has anyone seen Firefox's version number lately? They've literally gone through 3 major release numbers in like 3 months. At the beginning of this year they were on 3. or 4. They just released v8 last week. andy -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: HTML5 Browser Support While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desk top-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348748 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: HTML5 Browser Support
Not to agree with Ray - wait - aren't we friends? ;) I'm trying to find the Adobe site that has good browser metrics. Anyone remember it? On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:49 AM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Not to agree with Ray but has anyone seen Firefox's version number lately? They've literally gone through 3 major release numbers in like 3 months. At the beginning of this year they were on 3. or 4. They just released v8 last week. andy -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: HTML5 Browser Support While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desk top-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348749 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: HTML5 Browser Support
Ah, SiteCatalyst Netaverages - but it isn't free though: https://netaverages.adobe.com/en-us/index.html On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: Not to agree with Ray - wait - aren't we friends? ;) I'm trying to find the Adobe site that has good browser metrics. Anyone remember it? On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:49 AM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Not to agree with Ray but has anyone seen Firefox's version number lately? They've literally gone through 3 major release numbers in like 3 months. At the beginning of this year they were on 3. or 4. They just released v8 last week. andy -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: HTML5 Browser Support While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desk top-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348750 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
sorry cutter but I'd quit Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:56 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: I do Fed work, and I'm stuck still supporting IE 6 and up... :( Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:27 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Contractor... so I get the hand me downs On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbushquackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewartwebmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.comwrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348751 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: HTML5 Browser Support
Not saying the browsers aren't getting better, because they are. Updates are much more frequent. The issue that Crockford brought up though is a valid one. It's not the browser manufacturers that are the problem, it's the users and corporate IT departments that don't/won't upgrade. It will be many, many moons before enough users are using HTML5 capable browsers before it makes it worthwhile to write desktop browser-based HTML5 applications. Even JQuery and Sencha have IE6 support in their libraries (though JQuery plugin authors often forget this). Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/16/2011 6:57 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: Ah, SiteCatalyst Netaverages - but it isn't free though: https://netaverages.adobe.com/en-us/index.html On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Raymond Camdenraymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: Not to agree with Ray - wait - aren't we friends? ;) I'm trying to find the Adobe site that has good browser metrics. Anyone remember it? On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:49 AM, andy matthewsli...@commadelimited.com wrote: Not to agree with Ray but has anyone seen Firefox's version number lately? They've literally gone through 3 major release numbers in like 3 months. At the beginning of this year they were on 3. or 4. They just released v8 last week. andy -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: HTML5 Browser Support While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desk top-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348752 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Tony, with what I do, and who I'm doing it for, it's worth the headaches. A pain, for sure, but worth it. :) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/16/2011 7:16 AM, Tony Weeg wrote: sorry cutter but I'd quit Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:56 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Bladescold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: I do Fed work, and I'm stuck still supporting IE 6 and up... :( Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:27 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Contractor... so I get the hand me downs On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbushquackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewartwebmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348753 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: cfajax error
the problem only reared it'sugly head with Access with Unicode.. Oh the joys of driver differences.. not to mention that uninformative error message. (It may as well have just said oops). Anyway, glad to hear it is fixed. -Leig ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348754 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
A pain, for sure, but worth it. :) With all the JS you do it must be one sweet gig. I have to support IE @ work but luckily IE's JS engine performance is so crappy that I was able to convince the powers that be to at least upgrade to IE 8. IE 8 and below is as nimble as a bucket of sludge with some JS intensive apps. IE 9 is is a lot better but FF and Chrome leaves IE 9 in the dust. I have grown to despise IE6 and IE in general. But it is what it is. We all have our torments and apparently IE is mine. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: Tony, with what I do, and who I'm doing it for, it's worth the headaches. A pain, for sure, but worth it. :) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/16/2011 7:16 AM, Tony Weeg wrote: sorry cutter but I'd quit Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:56 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: I do Fed work, and I'm stuck still supporting IE 6 and up... :( Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:27 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Contractor... so I get the hand me downs On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348755 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe:
Re: HTML5 Browser Support
The issue that Crockford brought up though is a valid one. It's not the browser manufacturers that are the problem, it's the users and corporate IT departments that don't/won't upgrade. My largest client has offices in 15 different cities - and every PC they have is running IE7 and they DON'T CARE how it works or what it looks like in anything BUT IE7. Drives me out of my freaking mind! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348756 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: HTML5 Browser Support
Looking at my analytics, IE6 has dropped off quite a bit over the past six months. IE makes up 36% of our visitors. Of that, less than 1% from IE 6. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: HTML5 Browser Support While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desk top-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348757 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: HTML5 Browser Support
Paul Irish had a nice post a while ago about IE... and how soon we will have to support 72 (!) versions of IE. IEx is the new IE6. Read here: http://paulirish.com/2011/browser-market-pollution-iex-is-the-new-ie6/ Azadi On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 23:28, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote: Looking at my analytics, IE6 has dropped off quite a bit over the past six months. IE makes up 36% of our visitors. Of that, less than 1% from IE 6. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: HTML5 Browser Support While it is still a problem, I think it is improving rather quickly. IE6 continues to decline,and the major browser vendors are spewing out updates faster than ever, especially Chrome. Even MS followed up IE9 with their IE10 beta rather quickly. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: On 11/15/2011 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). I was lucky enough to watch Douglas Crockford give a keynote at the first Ext JS conference a few years back. He gave this awesome presentation on the future of HTML and JS, then burst everyone's bubble when he pointed out that it would be well over a decade before developer's could truly take advantage of any of it (with the exception of mobile). His reasoning was browser life cycle. Today there are developers who must continue to support IE 6 because a company (or govt) won't/can't move past it. How long do you think it will take before 85% + are up to, or past, IE 10? (sad fact: users still use MS) Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desk top-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348758 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Using ColdFusion to Create an Activity Feed???
Thanks for the ideas. I do have a SQL table taht gets updated with activity so like you said a timer or a trigger of some sort to do the AJAX call. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348759 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Just for a frame of reference, the IRS still has almost 80k employees on IE6. You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub. com/learni ng-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbushquackfuzed@gmail. com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewartwebmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex. html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change. org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348760 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Prompting a user to save a file
Hopefully someone has had more experience with this than I have and can point me in the right direction. One of the web apps I'm working on will generate a file which will store an encryption key, and we hand it off to the web browser for the user to save on their computer. The code we're using to generate the file is: cfcontent type=application/binary reset=true / cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=Data-Encryption-Key.key; / cfoutput#variables.theKeyData#/cfoutput cfabort / The system generates the file okay, but when the web browser goes to prompt the user we're running into all sorts of issues. We started off with a generic .dat extension and one test computer had some video player which insisted on opening and handling the file. The new .key extension seems to work okay on PC's, but Macs with KeyNote installed insist on handing the file over to KeyNote which, of course, doesn't know what to do with it and throws an error. Is there some different combination of headers we can use to consistently get the web browser to just prompt the user where to save the file rather than passing it off to God-only-knows-what programs they might have on their computer? Unfortunately the target audience for the application will likely have fairly non-technical people going through the process and they will likely just click the default option that comes up which we'd like to be save in all cases. Any thoughts? -Justin Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348761 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Prompting a user to save a file
The two that spring immediately to my mind are .txt and, as a last resort, .zip (containing the file). Would either of those work for you...? On Nov 16, 2011 6:35 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote: Hopefully someone has had more experience with this than I have and can point me in the right direction. One of the web apps I'm working on will generate a file which will store an encryption key, and we hand it off to the web browser for the user to save on their computer. The code we're using to generate the file is: cfcontent type=application/binary reset=true / cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=Data-Encryption-Key.key; / cfoutput#variables.theKeyData#/cfoutput cfabort / The system generates the file okay, but when the web browser goes to prompt the user we're running into all sorts of issues. We started off with a generic .dat extension and one test computer had some video player which insisted on opening and handling the file. The new .key extension seems to work okay on PC's, but Macs with KeyNote installed insist on handing the file over to KeyNote which, of course, doesn't know what to do with it and throws an error. Is there some different combination of headers we can use to consistently get the web browser to just prompt the user where to save the file rather than passing it off to God-only-knows-what programs they might have on their computer? Unfortunately the target audience for the application will likely have fairly non-technical people going through the process and they will likely just click the default option that comes up which we'd like to be save in all cases. Any thoughts? -Justin Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348762 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Prompting a user to save a file
Try changing your cfcontent to this: cfcontent type=application/x-unknown On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:39 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: The two that spring immediately to my mind are .txt and, as a last resort, .zip (containing the file). Would either of those work for you...? On Nov 16, 2011 6:35 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote: Hopefully someone has had more experience with this than I have and can point me in the right direction. One of the web apps I'm working on will generate a file which will store an encryption key, and we hand it off to the web browser for the user to save on their computer. The code we're using to generate the file is: cfcontent type=application/binary reset=true / cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=Data-Encryption-Key.key; / cfoutput#variables.theKeyData#/cfoutput cfabort / The system generates the file okay, but when the web browser goes to prompt the user we're running into all sorts of issues. We started off with a generic .dat extension and one test computer had some video player which insisted on opening and handling the file. The new .key extension seems to work okay on PC's, but Macs with KeyNote installed insist on handing the file over to KeyNote which, of course, doesn't know what to do with it and throws an error. Is there some different combination of headers we can use to consistently get the web browser to just prompt the user where to save the file rather than passing it off to God-only-knows-what programs they might have on their computer? Unfortunately the target audience for the application will likely have fairly non-technical people going through the process and they will likely just click the default option that comes up which we'd like to be save in all cases. Any thoughts? -Justin Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348763 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Prompting a user to save a file
The two that spring immediately to my mind are .txt and, as a last resort, .zip (containing the file). Would either of those work for you...? With some browsers .txt is likely associated with Notepad or Wordpad and the default option would be to open. With a .zip it may give us better results, though .zip is still fairly common and some may have special settings configured for them. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348764 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Prompting a user to save a file
Try changing your cfcontent to this: cfcontent type=application/x-unknown I tried that and on computers with Microsoft Word installed, it actually asks if you want it to open in Word (apparently there is a longer x-unknown mime-type that Word uses and the browsers to sub-string matching when looking for a handler as a last resort and make that association). For the moment I'm going to go with a completely custom (and made up) application/x-our-app-name-encryption-key mime/type and a longer (five character) file extension that there shouldn't possibly be any handlers for and have our users do some testing to see if we get better results. I'm still open to suggestions if anyone has ideas though as this has been driving me nuts. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348765 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
This makes no sense to me. I can understand a business or government office being slow to upgrade to new software if cost were involved, but IE upgrades are free, and would certainly be more secure and productive. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dan Crouch stario...@yahoo.com wrote: Just for a frame of reference, the IRS still has almost 80k employees on IE6. You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348766 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
It's not that the upgrade costs. It's usually that they have a lot of intranet apps that only run properly on IE6. :( On 11/16/11 5:22 PM, Maureen wrote: This makes no sense to me. I can understand a business or government office being slow to upgrade to new software if cost were involved, but IE upgrades are free, and would certainly be more secure and productive. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dan Crouchstario...@yahoo.com wrote: Just for a frame of reference, the IRS still has almost 80k employees on IE6. You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348767 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Oh, ack!! It never occurred to me that they would be stupid enough to apps that only run on IE6. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:28 PM, .jonah jonah@creori.com wrote: It's not that the upgrade costs. It's usually that they have a lot of intranet apps that only run properly on IE6. :( On 11/16/11 5:22 PM, Maureen wrote: This makes no sense to me. I can understand a business or government office being slow to upgrade to new software if cost were involved, but IE upgrades are free, and would certainly be more secure and productive. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348768 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Adobe Abandons Flex
Not fair to say stupid enough. Many of those apps were written back when IE6 was 80-90% of the browser market. Are you writing apps that target Chrome and Firefox right now? Same thing. -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:55 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Adobe Abandons Flex Oh, ack!! It never occurred to me that they would be stupid enough to apps that only run on IE6. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:28 PM, .jonah jonah@creori.com wrote: It's not that the upgrade costs. It's usually that they have a lot of intranet apps that only run properly on IE6. :( On 11/16/11 5:22 PM, Maureen wrote: This makes no sense to me. I can understand a business or government office being slow to upgrade to new software if cost were involved, but IE upgrades are free, and would certainly be more secure and productive. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348769 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I'm not writing apps that target any browser. I'm writing apps that work in all of them. And I consider it bad practice not to do so. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:42 PM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: Not fair to say stupid enough. Many of those apps were written back when IE6 was 80-90% of the browser market. Are you writing apps that target Chrome and Firefox right now? Same thing. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348770 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Adobe Abandons Flex
I'm sure you do, good for you. Were you around during the late 90s and the browser wars? We didn't have the luxury in many cases of either cross-browser libraries or foresight enough to think a specific browser would be around for a decade. andy -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:45 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Adobe Abandons Flex I'm not writing apps that target any browser. I'm writing apps that work in all of them. And I consider it bad practice not to do so. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:42 PM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: Not fair to say stupid enough. Many of those apps were written back when IE6 was 80-90% of the browser market. Are you writing apps that target Chrome and Firefox right now? Same thing. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348771 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
cross-browser libraries or foresight enough to think a specific browser would be around for a decade. +1 You can't write cross browser code for a browser that did not exist. IE 6 is the new Netscape. G! On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: I'm sure you do, good for you. Were you around during the late 90s and the browser wars? We didn't have the luxury in many cases of either cross-browser libraries or foresight enough to think a specific browser would be around for a decade. andy -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:45 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Adobe Abandons Flex I'm not writing apps that target any browser. I'm writing apps that work in all of them. And I consider it bad practice not to do so. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:42 PM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: Not fair to say stupid enough. Many of those apps were written back when IE6 was 80-90% of the browser market. Are you writing apps that target Chrome and Firefox right now? Same thing. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348772 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I've been around since 1952, so yeah, I was there for the browser wars. It wasn't a luxury to make the sites work for all browsers, it was a necessity, and should have been part of the budget for every project, although I know it wasn't. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:49 PM, andy matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: I'm sure you do, good for you. Were you around during the late 90s and the browser wars? We didn't have the luxury in many cases of either cross-browser libraries or foresight enough to think a specific browser would be around for a decade. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348773 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Well, in some cases for example, there were these things called COM objects that were used to provide functionality that wasn't possible in a cross-browser manner. On 11/16/11 7:28 PM, Maureen wrote: I've been around since 1952, so yeah, I was there for the browser wars. It wasn't a luxury to make the sites work for all browsers, it was a necessity, and should have been part of the budget for every project, although I know it wasn't. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:49 PM, andy matthewsli...@commadelimited.comwrote: I'm sure you do, good for you. Were you around during the late 90s and the browser wars? We didn't have the luxury in many cases of either cross-browser libraries or foresight enough to think a specific browser would be around for a decade. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348774 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I've been around since 1952, so yeah, I was there for the browser wars. It wasn't a luxury to make the sites work for all browsers, it was a necessity, and should have been part of the budget for every project, although I know it wasn't. Well, no, it clearly wasn't a necessity, as we can see from the fact that it wasn't always done, and it's only in retrospect that we can say everything should work in all browsers, now that we have a pretty high level of common functionality across modern browsers. When IE 6 came out, there were a bunch of things that you could only do in IE 6. If you wanted to do those things, you wrote browser-specific code. Lots of internal corporate web apps relied on specific functionality delivered through ActiveX, for example. It's very easy to criticize decisions made in the past with information we have in the here-and-now. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348775 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
