Adalon
I can't get to adalon.net (home of an old Fusebox-related tool). Does anyone have v3.6 of Adalon which they can either put online, or email me offlist with? Thanks. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:328177 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Adalon vs Fusebuilder
On 7/9/05, muzl hed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fusebuilder looks like a pretty complete program. I'm basically wondering if Adalon is worth the extra money or if they do essentially the same thing. I like the visual approach of Adalon. FuseBuilder 4.1 is $395. I don't know how much Adalon is. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211504 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Adalon vs Fusebuilder
You should try evaluation versions of both, for FuseBuilder you can create a project online and see how its workflow works for you, for Adalon you can IIRC request an evaluation license. I use FuseBuilder myself. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211516 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Adalon vs Fusebuilder
Can somebody let me know how Fusebuilder compares to Adalon? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211496 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Adalon vs Fusebuilder
FuseBuilder is web-based. Adalon is a visual desktop app. Do you have a specific question about the two products? On 7/9/05, muzl hed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can somebody let me know how Fusebuilder compares to Adalon? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211497 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Adalon vs Fusebuilder
Fusebuilder looks like a pretty complete program. I'm basically wondering if Adalon is worth the extra money or if they do essentially the same thing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211502 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
To be blunt and i've been on Plum since i think adam invited me ages past, I really dig the concept and cannot fault it for what its achieved. I do however hold back in reservation as simply put: I don't have the time or energy to inherit something ontop of a language that has its own set of problems and issues. I've been thinking a lot as of late on what i expect out of a framework or extension if you will via the WEB/COLDFUSION and in the end I just want something light thats agile enough for me to bolt on anything when it comes to the innerds. Mach-II is much much more agile then plum in regards to ease of use and comparing the two is like apples and plums (hehe couldn't resist). PLUM in many ways is like a Developers CMS / IDE for automated mundane tasks that we do day in day out and lets face it, get sick of rolling. When given a project i tend to want to get straight into the hard part, but like my Guidance Counselor in high school once said do the easy tasks first, then come back and do the hard ones last as if you run out of time, you have gotten more work done in the end didn't understand at the time but daily in CFMX i find myself having to put in stupid time to get to the point of writing the hard stuff and by this time (I'm sure others would agree) you're basically over the concept. PLUM by appearances (i'm only 1 project in so i reserve the right to change my un-informed opinion) seems to fast track you through the crappy tasks and focus on the guts of it all. I am still hanging out for the day when i can put together an XML based concept that automates my view/presenter/partial model allowing me time and energy to focus on the integration part(s) server-side. As thats where the money is needed the most. FLEX offers that in some way, and PLUM seems to hint and being in many ways a similiar alternative (sure technologies are different). So yeah Mach-II is different in so many ways and i wouldn't bother trying to compare the two. (PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS AN IGNORANT OPINION, I'VE USED IT ON AND OFF BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY, I HAVE MORE WORK AHEAD OF ME IN ITS USE hehehe). -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Went back to my simple, basic architecture and felt much better. Don't you feel like an QUOTE ass /QUOTE? ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195364 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't you feel like an QUOTE ass /QUOTE? ;-) It is better to keep quiet and be considered a fool than to speak out and prove that. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195366 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:30:37 -0500, Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second that one, I have never had a problem finding any errors in any FB code I have written. Usually the error or the debug is more then enough. As for maintenance, it depends on if you inherited the site after some @*^$ got finished applying his new knowledge from ColdFusion for Dummies and figured they should write the app in FB because they heard about it on some website, heh. While there were certainly problems with CF4 For Dummies, CFMX for Dummies was *much* better and included a chapter on Fusebox... of course I'm biased since I'm coauthor on both books. Still doesn't excuse how awful the first one was (not my fault -- my chapters were decent...) Not that I'm defensive :) There are still plenty of sites I've inherited that I *wish* someone had read ColdFusion for Dummies before writing it. Or programming for dummies. Or HTML for dummies. Or SQL for Dummies. Maybe the problem is that they're inherently dummies :) Then the problems come in :) We can go on about that one Robert Bailey Internal Systems Software Engineer 813-230-9967 \\ mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.recruitmax.com -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need to modify. So if maintenance easiness was the concern, they totally missed the point. This surprises me as maintenance in FB is much easier as far as I am concerned. If you have proper error/exception handling in place as well as a properly structured FB app, finding out where an issue is takes about 2 seconds. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195407 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Plum vs Adalon?
Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested to see how they compared. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195164 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
Mmmm... Plum uses Fusebox too?.. I tried to run Plum on my machine and i miss a dll called mscoree.dll someone can send me this dll?. -Mensaje original- De: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Febrero de 2005 11:49 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Plum vs Adalon? Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested to see how they compared. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195165 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
You need to download the .NET Framework for Plum to run. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 February 2005 15:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? Mmmm... Plum uses Fusebox too?.. I tried to run Plum on my machine and i miss a dll called mscoree.dll someone can send me this dll?. -Mensaje original- De: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Febrero de 2005 11:49 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Plum vs Adalon? Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested to see how they compared. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195166 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
You need to install the .NET framework http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=316091 HTH, -- Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. - www.CoolFusion.com inFusion Mail Server (iMS) - The Award-winning, Intelligent Mail Server PrismAV - Virus scanning for ColdFusion applications Find out how iMS Stacks up to the competition: http://www.coolfusion.com/imssecomparison.cfm --- On Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:00 AM, David Manriquez scribed: --- Mmmm... Plum uses Fusebox too?.. I tried to run Plum on my machine and i miss a dll called mscoree.dll someone can send me this dll?. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195167 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Plum uses Fusebox too?.. Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does. I tried to run Plum on my machine and i miss a dll called mscoree.dll someone can send me this dll?. You don't have the .NET Framework V1.1 installed. If you ever have a problem with Plum, use our support page. The Troubleshooter there would have told you in a matter of seconds that this was your problem and given you a link to download the .NET Framework. If our Troubleshooter doesn't have the answer for you, it issues you a Trouble Ticket that we can both track and use to resolve your issue. We hope you like Plum! :) Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195171 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested to see how they compared. Adalon is a great tool that I think everyone should check out to see if it fits their needs. However, Plum and Adalon are two very different tools. If my memory serves me correctly, Adalon is a design tool that generates an empty set of Fusebox files that have no real functionality -- you handcraft all that yourself, if I'm not mistaken. Plum is the most comprehensive ColdFusion development tool and source code generator ever built, hands down. To tell you everything that Plum does would take up too much space for this email, so we prepared this: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/plum/WhatPlumCanDo.cfm Plum is free of charge, too, so you can download and use it regardless of budget. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195177 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does. Maybe so but the following for Fusebox is increasing daily... what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195179 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
PLUM is a framework in it's self whilst Adalon is simply a tool for generating a fusebox application by generating stub files etc and writing the circuit files for you. From my understanding PLUM went a whole heap further than just writing stub files for you, they're completely different animals! john. Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested to see how they compared. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195185 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does. Maybe so but the following for Fusebox is increasing daily... what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? We're not trying to win over one single Fusebox developer. We're not interested in Fusebox's following, its size, or its direction, but we wish them all the very best. There is no valid comparison between Fusebox and Plum, as they are two entirely different things altogether. Fusebox is, at its most basic level, a way to organize and call code; Plum is... well, this: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/plum/WhatPlumCanDo.cfm You can't use Plum in conjunction with Fusebox or any other framework, as there would be no need. There is nothing that another framework could add to what Plum already has. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195187 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
-Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? I guess another way of asking this would be: How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195195 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
-Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Plum is the most comprehensive ColdFusion development tool and source code generator ever built, hands down. To tell you everything that Plum does would take up too much space for this email, so we prepared this: What is your (or your users') experience regarding migrating existing Fusebox (v3) projects to Plum? I've got several fairly expansive Fusebox3 applications that I've been considering re-doing anyway; I was thinking of using Fusebox 4 but Plum is intriguing. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195197 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
I have to say, that's a pretty impressive feature list. While an odd question, I have to ask, what are the biggest challenges facing someone adopting Plum? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does. Maybe so but the following for Fusebox is increasing daily... what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? We're not trying to win over one single Fusebox developer. We're not interested in Fusebox's following, its size, or its direction, but we wish them all the very best. There is no valid comparison between Fusebox and Plum, as they are two entirely different things altogether. Fusebox is, at its most basic level, a way to organize and call code; Plum is... well, this: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/plum/WhatPlumCanDo.cfm You can't use Plum in conjunction with Fusebox or any other framework, as there would be no need. There is nothing that another framework could add to what Plum already has. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195200 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
I may be off in some details, but it really doesn't. From what I've seen Plum is basically a code generator. There's not much of a framework to it. I diddled with it for a little while, and the 'framework' is more a set of custom tags that make it easier to build forms, do validation, master/detail pages, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I got out of it. -Joe On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:42:53 -0500, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? I guess another way of asking this would be: How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195210 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
If my memory serves me correctly, Adalon is a design tool that generates an empty set of Fusebox files that have no real functionality -- you handcraft all that yourself, if I'm not mistaken. Adalon does much more than generate Fusebox stubs. In fact, that's just the Fusebox plug-in for Adalon. Adalon itself is an environment for tracking / defining software requirements, visual modelling of the application (visual modelling of an application != visual editing of a database). From what I understand, a plug-in can then be used to generate stub code, software documentation, and project documentation. It so happens that the currently most used plug-in generates Fusebox stubs. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195224 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
From what I've seen Plum is basically a code generator. There's not much of a framework to it. I diddled with it for a little while, and the 'framework' is more a set of custom tags that make it easier to build forms, do validation, master/detail pages, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I got out of it. You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe. Plum is a *very* extensive product, and has about 400 pages of documentation that accompany it. The custom tag library is but a small part of Plum. The Plum Framework does quite a lot, I assure you. Read the documentation in detail (if you have the time) and you'll see what I mean. Code generation and custom tags are just a small part of Plum. There is a lot to Plum, yes, but there is also a lot to the .NET Framework and J2EE, and you'd need to learn what each of these can really do in order to make accurate assessments about them. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195225 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)? Plum does quite a bit more in its core framework than either Fusebox or Mach-ii. The best way for everyone to assess this is to download and install Plum, then thorooughly read the Plum documentation. There's a lot there, but that's what will answer your questions. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195226 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Plum uses Fusebox too?.. Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does. This is like comparing apples and oranges. Fusebox is a framework for organizing your application into logical segments, especially if you use it in an MVC manner. As far as I'm concerned, Fusebox is a much more comprehensive framework that Plum, in that Fusebox provides a structure for your application. Plum, on the otherhand, seems to create an XML file used to generate a bunch of code that makes use of the Plum tag library. There's not much seperating between view and logic, which I think is kind of dangerous. Of course, please correct me if I'm wrong. I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD applications, but for heavy lifting and business logic, I have a fear it'd encourage spaghetti code and the general let's stick it all in the top of .cfm page mentality that's caused a lot of headaches. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
What is your (or your users') experience regarding migrating existing Fusebox (v3) projects to Plum? I've got several fairly expansive Fusebox3 applications that I've been considering re-doing anyway; I was thinking of using Fusebox 4 but Plum is intriguing. We don't suggest that people try to convert their existing apps over to Plum from any system they're currently using. If you need something that Plum has that your current system doesn't provide, and if that something is really important to you, then you may want to look at Plum, get on the Plum Discussion List, and grok away. But do take the time to really look through Plum's documentation to see all that it *can* do for you. If you don't have the time to download and install Plum, you can view Plum's documentation online: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/plumhelp/plumhelp.htm Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195228 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Joe, you're completely missing *everything* about Plum, the way it works, what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications are written. Please, before you go spreading FUD due to a lack of understanding, please either seriously learn about the product or at least try not to prejudice others who haven't even looked yet. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 - Original Message - From: Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? Plum uses Fusebox too?.. Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does. This is like comparing apples and oranges. Fusebox is a framework for organizing your application into logical segments, especially if you use it in an MVC manner. As far as I'm concerned, Fusebox is a much more comprehensive framework that Plum, in that Fusebox provides a structure for your application. Plum, on the otherhand, seems to create an XML file used to generate a bunch of code that makes use of the Plum tag library. There's not much seperating between view and logic, which I think is kind of dangerous. Of course, please correct me if I'm wrong. I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD applications, but for heavy lifting and business logic, I have a fear it'd encourage spaghetti code and the general let's stick it all in the top of .cfm page mentality that's caused a lot of headaches. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195232 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
But do take the time to really look through Plum's documentation to see all that it *can* do for you. If you don't have the time to download and install Plum, you can view Plum's documentation online: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/plumhelp/plumhelp.htm One nice thing about Adalon and other tools is that there is an abundance of tutorial/videos online so people can view the what can x do for you without installing it, etc... do you guys have anything like that coming out? I bet that would be helpful in at least getting people to look.. I know a lot of us don't like to weed through documentation :-) Mike ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195233 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
One nice thing about Adalon and other tools is that there is an abundance of tutorial/videos online so people can view the what can x do for you without installing it, etc... do you guys have anything like that coming out? I bet that would be helpful in at least getting people to look.. I know a lot of us don't like to weed through documentation :-) We have this: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/plum/WhatPlumCanDo.cfm but there aren't many detail pages finished yet (just the New Plum Project Wizard demo, in fact). I'll be adding as time goes on. I created a downloadable PDF of just the fifty Plum tutorials (which is also in the Plum help documentation), so you can read through that to get an idea of the basics (these are just the basics, though). But there really is no substitute for thoroughly reading the docs and working with Plum: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/plumhelp/plumhelp.htm I know it's a lot, but think about the answer to What can developing in C# for ASP.NET do for me? You'd probably get the same manner of response. And as always I'm looking for suggestions from you, Joe, and anyone else who has advice. We really *do* appreciate it. I just hope I don't come off too defensive about it all, but I supposed folks understand and don't hold it against us. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 - Original Message - From: Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? But do take the time to really look through Plum's documentation to see all that it *can* do for you. If you don't have the time to download and install Plum, you can view Plum's documentation online: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/plumhelp/plumhelp.htm Mike ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195236 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
As far as I'm concerned, Fusebox is a much more comprehensive framework that Plum, in that Fusebox provides a structure for your application. May be,... but what if the structure is completely uncomprehensive? What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need to modify. So if maintenance easiness was the concern, they totally missed the point. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195237 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
I can imagine that it would be tough for folks to commit to reading 400 pages of documentation to 'get' Plum :P -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? But do take the time to really look through Plum's documentation to see all that it *can* do for you. If you don't have the time to download and install Plum, you can view Plum's documentation online: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/plumhelp/plumhelp.htm One nice thing about Adalon and other tools is that there is an abundance of tutorial/videos online so people can view the what can x do for you without installing it, etc... do you guys have anything like that coming out? I bet that would be helpful in at least getting people to look.. I know a lot of us don't like to weed through documentation :-) Mike ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195238 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Yeap, I for one already have a ton of other things on my todo reading list. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:15:36 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can imagine that it would be tough for folks to commit to reading 400 pages of documentation to 'get' Plum :P ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195239 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
It really does not take that much to get plum. I downloaded it yesterday and I installed it here on my local machine, and I had no problems and it was pretty easy to get running, adding new modules, etc. I am actually going to recommend it to a non profit group I do some work for on the side. It is good for what it is worth, but you are not going to understand that unless you download it and install it, and take the time to try to understand what it does. Now I am sure (100 percent positive) that I do not know all that it can do, and I will take a look at the docs more in the next week or two, but getting it up and running and understanding the basics is fairly easy. Good job on that Adam. It looks great! Robert Bailey Internal Systems Software Engineer 813-230-9967 \\ mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.recruitmax.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? I can imagine that it would be tough for folks to commit to reading 400 pages of documentation to 'get' Plum :P -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? But do take the time to really look through Plum's documentation to see all that it *can* do for you. If you don't have the time to download and install Plum, you can view Plum's documentation online: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/support/plumhelp/plumhelp.htm One nice thing about Adalon and other tools is that there is an abundance of tutorial/videos online so people can view the what can x do for you without installing it, etc... do you guys have anything like that coming out? I bet that would be helpful in at least getting people to look.. I know a lot of us don't like to weed through documentation :-) Mike ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195240 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need to modify. So if maintenance easiness was the concern, they totally missed the point. This surprises me as maintenance in FB is much easier as far as I am concerned. If you have proper error/exception handling in place as well as a properly structured FB app, finding out where an issue is takes about 2 seconds. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195241 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
I second that one, I have never had a problem finding any errors in any FB code I have written. Usually the error or the debug is more then enough. As for maintenance, it depends on if you inherited the site after some @*^$ got finished applying his new knowledge from ColdFusion for Dummies and figured they should write the app in FB because they heard about it on some website, heh. Then the problems come in :) We can go on about that one Robert Bailey Internal Systems Software Engineer 813-230-9967 \\ mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.recruitmax.com -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need to modify. So if maintenance easiness was the concern, they totally missed the point. This surprises me as maintenance in FB is much easier as far as I am concerned. If you have proper error/exception handling in place as well as a properly structured FB app, finding out where an issue is takes about 2 seconds. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195242 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
finding out where an issue is takes about 2 seconds. If the issue causes an error message, may be. But for just an upgrade or an enhancement, is is 10 times more complicated than it should. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195245 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
I have never had a problem finding any errors in any FB code I have written. I always had problems find errors in my code, since I make no error ;-) As for maintenance, it depends on if you inherited the site It is my case indeed, but not because the programmer was dummy, just because doing it the FB way IMHO makes it 10 time more complicated just for nothing. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195248 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If the issue causes an error message, may be. But for just an upgrade or an enhancement, is is 10 times more complicated than it should. Again, I disagree. If the FB app is structured properly and you can read down through a circuit file, it should be a matter of adding a couple fuses and away you go. Toss in an Adalon diagram to pinpoint areas of concern and it is even faster. Do you even use FB? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195249 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Are you strongly familar with FB apps? I am not at all, just wondering if this is a case where if someone was then they could follow it easily. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0500, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my case indeed, but not because the programmer was dummy, just because doing it the FB way IMHO makes it 10 time more complicated just for nothing. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195250 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
You can't use Plum in conjunction with Fusebox or any other framework,as there would be no need. There is nothing that another framework could add to what Plum already has. That statement nicely sums up a couple of resons why I will probably never use Plum. In its current form at least. If I can't used it in conjunction with Fusebox or any other framework it must be putting some pretty severe restrictions on the freedom I have to make decisions about how to structure my application. Assuming that another framework couldn't add to what Plum does is pretty arrogant and not a little bit short sighted. As a simple example, how well does Plum cover the things provided by a framework for simplifying the use of Event gateways? I have downloaded and looked at Plum a couple of times. I didn't care for the structure of the applications it generated and I didn't like the code it generated either. That's not to say it isn't a great tool. It's just not something that I can see providing *me* with anything other than frustration. The specific things I don't like: * I dislike code generation wizards. They assume too much and are practically impossible to build in a way that doesn't do that. * I dislike anything that auto-generates code unless I have control over the templates for that code generation. * I distrust anything that presumes what the directory structure for my application should be without knowing anything about the application itself. * Once I have created the application structure using Plum I am effectively on my own when it comes to editing it. * If I want to customize the auto-generation code for something like a form I need to modify some of the core Plum files. What happens if I upgrade Plum to a new version, or if I make a change that has an unexpected consequence elsewhere in the Plum framework? * There is little in the way of data encapsulation. Shared scope variables are used widely throughout the core files rather than being passed in as attributes to custom tags, so if I create a variable in one of the shared scopes I can easily introduce a bug which affects the framework. * In the few times that I have played with Plum I have always got the uneasy feeling that it would be easy for a client to introduce a requirement after the initial project release that would require the modfication of some of the Plum core files. Without understanding exactly what the entire framework does internally that exercise could be very prone to introducing bugs. Essentially my unease boils down to the feeling that Plum does too much in the way of generating application code and too little in the way of providing powerful APIs that can be extended and used by a developer without ever needing to know how the internals work. Spike -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195252 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Adam, I'm not trying to attack Plum. If I was, I'd say something silly and offensive. My observations come after using Plum, trying it out, and taking some of its guts apart. The way it works, what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications are written. The way it works simply isn't what I'd find ideal. There's so seperation of logic - a page is responsible for both is view and its business logic, making that an atomic capsule. If Plum generated data access and possibly business object CFCs for the tables it represented, and its tags instead used those, I could then at least reuse the business logic and data access portions elsewhere without having to reinvent the wheel. This is a step backwards from the point of frameworks like Fusebox and Mach-II, and is exactly why Plum can be compared to neither. Plum generates code that maintains a status quo of spaghetti code, requiring custom business logic to be spread throughout the presentation layer. Please, before you go spreading FUD due to a lack of understanding, please either seriously learn about the product I'm not spreading unfounded FUD - I've looked at your product in fair depth. I'm not going to delve into a technical discussion of its mechanics, but I've examined them in detail. I've been using Plum since the first public beta. I haven't done anything terribly complicated with it, but I've built some basic CRUD and master/detail applications with verity searching, and played with content management, which is what I imagine most Plum users would find to be about their extend of its use. Try not to prejudice others who haven't even looked yet. Anyone who puts a product into the open marketplace must expect find opinions contrary their own marketing. As some say, any publicity is good publicity. As I said earlier, I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD applications. And I can. It's mind-numbingly easy to create simple or master/detail CRUD app. However, what I think is missing is a plug-in point where I can add business logic to my business units without having to continually reinvent the wheel. I really think Plum could be quite powerful if it looked into using CFC-based representations of the tables it acted upon. This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of this are enough to bar me from commercial use. With respect, Joe -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195253 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Plum does too much in the way of generating application code and too little in the way of providing powerful APIs that can be extended... Ok, so Spike can say in one sentence what takes me a couple of paragraphs to try to hint at. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195255 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe. Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum. I wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail. I've probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users, examined the custom tag library, used tools like the component and storedproc generator, read the Plum methodology (I think FLiP has you beat), and I can even tell you what Help node is simply labelled Psych!. I took a great interest in Plum in its Beta stages because it similar to something I was thinking of releasing. This post asked for a comparison between Plum and other frameworks / tools. I wouldn't add my opinion if I didn't feel I was informed enough to have one. I'm probably in a better place to compare FB and Plum than most users of either. Because my opinion doesn't match yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. Surely this cannot be true! From my observation and in regards to past threads on Plum, it seems like they still cannot accurately say who they are targeting with this product. It surely isnt targeted at developers. -Adam On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:13:51 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam, I'm not trying to attack Plum. If I was, I'd say something silly and offensive. My observations come after using Plum, trying it out, and taking some of its guts apart. The way it works, what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications are written. The way it works simply isn't what I'd find ideal. There's so seperation of logic - a page is responsible for both is view and its business logic, making that an atomic capsule. If Plum generated data access and possibly business object CFCs for the tables it represented, and its tags instead used those, I could then at least reuse the business logic and data access portions elsewhere without having to reinvent the wheel. This is a step backwards from the point of frameworks like Fusebox and Mach-II, and is exactly why Plum can be compared to neither. Plum generates code that maintains a status quo of spaghetti code, requiring custom business logic to be spread throughout the presentation layer. Please, before you go spreading FUD due to a lack of understanding, please either seriously learn about the product I'm not spreading unfounded FUD - I've looked at your product in fair depth. I'm not going to delve into a technical discussion of its mechanics, but I've examined them in detail. I've been using Plum since the first public beta. I haven't done anything terribly complicated with it, but I've built some basic CRUD and master/detail applications with verity searching, and played with content management, which is what I imagine most Plum users would find to be about their extend of its use. Try not to prejudice others who haven't even looked yet. Anyone who puts a product into the open marketplace must expect find opinions contrary their own marketing. As some say, any publicity is good publicity. As I said earlier, I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD applications. And I can. It's mind-numbingly easy to create simple or master/detail CRUD app. However, what I think is missing is a plug-in point where I can add business logic to my business units without having to continually reinvent the wheel. I really think Plum could be quite powerful if it looked into using CFC-based representations of the tables it acted upon. This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of this are enough to bar me from commercial use. With respect, Joe -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
I would agree with everything Joe says here. Plum certainly has it's place in the market. How big that place is I don't know, but I'm sure a lot of people will find it useful to them. Having written a few frameworks myself and used quite a few others I know what works for me and a fundamental requirement is that ease of maintenance should be a primary consideration for all aspects of the application. That's why I share Joe's concerns about the commingling of display and business logic. If any application logic has to be repeated in multiple places maintenance becomes more difficult, but often the only way to avoid that is to build abstraction into the core of the application. Unfortunately Plum doesn't really allow for much in the way of abstraction and actively gets in the way in a lot of cases. The downside of all that abstraction is that it takes more time and effort to get the thing built in the first place, and documenting the application becomes more important. If you get it right though, it *always* seems to pay for itself in the long run. The market reality is that a lot of people could care less about abstraction of logic and building for maintenance. They have app requirements and they need the app done quickly. Often, even if they do have the time to build the app, they often don't have the experience to know what will work and what won't. Without having your fingers burnt by experience a few times it is very difficult to know beforehand whether an approach is a good one or not. This, of course is only opinion based on *my* experience, not fact. If you disagree you no doubt have your own reasons and I'm certainly not going to tell you you're wrong. Unless you're working for me of course ;) Spike Joe Rinehart wrote: Adam, I'm not trying to attack Plum. If I was, I'd say something silly and offensive. My observations come after using Plum, trying it out, and taking some of its guts apart. The way it works, what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications are written. The way it works simply isn't what I'd find ideal. There's so seperation of logic - a page is responsible for both is view and its business logic, making that an atomic capsule. If Plum generated data access and possibly business object CFCs for the tables it represented, and its tags instead used those, I could then at least reuse the business logic and data access portions elsewhere without having to reinvent the wheel. This is a step backwards from the point of frameworks like Fusebox and Mach-II, and is exactly why Plum can be compared to neither. Plum generates code that maintains a status quo of spaghetti code, requiring custom business logic to be spread throughout the presentation layer. Please, before you go spreading FUD due to a lack of understanding, please either seriously learn about the product I'm not spreading unfounded FUD - I've looked at your product in fair depth. I'm not going to delve into a technical discussion of its mechanics, but I've examined them in detail. I've been using Plum since the first public beta. I haven't done anything terribly complicated with it, but I've built some basic CRUD and master/detail applications with verity searching, and played with content management, which is what I imagine most Plum users would find to be about their extend of its use. Try not to prejudice others who haven't even looked yet. Anyone who puts a product into the open marketplace must expect find opinions contrary their own marketing. As some say, any publicity is good publicity. As I said earlier, I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD applications. And I can. It's mind-numbingly easy to create simple or master/detail CRUD app. However, what I think is missing is a plug-in point where I can add business logic to my business units without having to continually reinvent the wheel. I really think Plum could be quite powerful if it looked into using CFC-based representations of the tables it acted upon. This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of this are enough to bar me from commercial use. With respect, Joe -- -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195260 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription:
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of this are enough to bar me from commercial use. The terms of use are detailed in the EULA; the copyright really ought to be just in the building blocks, so we'll remove it from the generated code and just keep it in the pre-fabbed framework code in V1.1. Thanks for pointing this out, Joe. Also, you and I should talk sometime on the phone regarding how Plum uses the DatabaseBlocks CFC and how it might use an alternate method in the future. I'm not totally fixed on using the generalized DatabaseBlocks methods as the only method to interact with the database. I'm at 770-446-8866 if you have some time and you want to chat. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195262 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. Surely this cannot be true! Oversight on our part. The copyright should just appear in the pre-fabbed framework code. I don't think we have to get the Hague involved on this one ;) From my observation and in regards to past threads on Plum, it seems like they still cannot accurately say who they are targeting with this product. It surely isnt targeted at developers. It's targeted to any developer who wants to use it. Why are you so concerned with our targeting a market? Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195263 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:13:51 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc. I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of this are enough to bar me from commercial use. Ah HA! That's why they're giving PLUM away for free...it's a covert attempt to take ownership of ALL content on the Internet. sly those churvis boys are :) (sorry...just trying to lighten the convo up a bit) -- Charlie Griefer Marta was watching the football game with me when she said, You know, most of these sports are based on the idea of one group protecting its territory from invasion by another group. Yeah, I said, trying not to laugh. Girls are funny. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195264 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
If the FB app is structured properly and you can read It is not the fact that the app is structured properly or not; As a matter of fact, I think it is. The problem is with the concept of the structure itself: it is sometimes 10 times more complicated than the whole application itself. - too many files are included, - templates names are almost never explicit, but in variables defined 5 or 6 includes back, - when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from. down through a circuit file, it should be a matter of adding a couple fuses and away you go. The problem is that I'm no electrician, just a programmer ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195266 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
just wondering if this is a case where if someone was then they could follow it easily. This may very well be true, and this is exactly the trouble. A good CF application, I'd say ANY application written in ANY language, should be easily followed by any one who is good enough in the language. If he needs to learn some dialect above the language, plus a religion about the language, then it makes everything complicated for nothing and maintenance more difficult. The second point is that I'm not convinced that it makes things easier even for those familiar with the framework, even if they all claim it does. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195267 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
I understand your second point, whether it is valid or not is probably in the eye of the beholders. As far as Plum from what I gathered in the descriptions, it actually would be a well loved tool around here. Not necessarily by me, but by some of the people in this group. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:19:04 -0500, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second point is that I'm not convinced that it makes things easier even for those familiar with the framework, even if they all claim it does. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195268 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This may very well be true, and this is exactly the trouble. A good CF application, I'd say ANY application written in ANY language, should be easily followed by any one who is good enough in the language. I don't think you will find anyone who disagrees with that! However, keep in mind that there are many ways to achieve the same end result in programming so even though you might have a decent command of the language, you may run into times when you don't follow the approach because you would have chosen a different one yourself. For instance, I use Fusebox with application A and you come along and say you don't know what the hell is going on that does not mean either of us is any less of a programmer, it simply means we do not agree on the approach taken even though there is nothing wrong with the approach that was taken! You follow me? You can't discredit an application or the ability to easily follow it just bacause you are not in favor of the approach. If he needs to learn some dialect above the language, plus a religion about the language, then it makes everything complicated for nothing and maintenance more difficult. I would say that if you are not open to learning above and beyond the first 5 chapters of the CF WACK then you are in the wrong field. There will ALWAYS be better ways to do things and shorter, faster, more efficient means to reach the end. Not everyone is going to code like you nor can you expect that. Either expand your knowledge and deal with the fact that the ability to do things differently exists or refrain from making such ridiculous claims such complicated for nothing and maintenance more difficult. I have worked on many applications, not necessarily Fusebox related whereby they were solid and easily maintained and expanded and some not so. Same goes for FB apps. The second point is that I'm not convinced that it makes things easier even for those familiar with the framework, even if they all claim it does. I am not sure you are in position to even make such a claim considering your have very little experience with Fusebox. I would also venture to say that the people who do use Fusebox would disagree with you about the framework NOT making things easier. It sure does make things easier and more organized or people wouldn't use it! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195269 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - too many files are included, Are you looking at FB4? The only included files there come from the circuit files or the parsed fuseactions which you do not directly access anyway so not sure how this is a valid point. - templates names are almost never explicit, but in variables defined 5 or 6 includes back, Interesting... qry_selectRegisteredUsers.cfm act_sendNewsletter.cfm dsp_confirmation.cfm What is so hard about the above names? - when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from. That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application or an uninformed developer in regards to FB. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195271 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
- when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from. Fusedocs exist for a reason. That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application or an uninformed developer in regards to FB. Right on, Mike. Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer. Any tool is only worth the hands of its holder. With a hammer, it's just as easy to accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail. Using a tool like Fusebox, Mach-II, or even (ok, I'll say it) Plum at least makes maintenance easier by giving developers a common starting point. The flipside of that is that you have to know how to use the tool. It'd be a weirdly built world if we all used our own hammers built our own way. -Joe -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195274 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
You can't discredit an application or the ability to easily follow it just bacause you are not in favor of the approach. The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach claims it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application much harder to follow. Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly structured, but isn't FB supposed to precisely make the application easier to structure ? Ok, the FB progammer was dumb? But isn't FB supposed to make the task easier for programers? I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in that particular case, it is a failure. I would say that if you are not open to learning above and beyond the first 5 chapters of the CF WACK then you are in the wrong field. Not only I'm open, I have read the books, of course, and even back in 95 the whole CF documentation when it was only a MS Word document for version 1.1 or 1.2 if I remember well. I am not sure you are in position to even make such a claim considering your have very little experience with Fusebox. No, but I do have about 9 years experience with CF, and I can definitely appreciate if an approach makes things easier for me with CF or not. The only things I sometimes still find not really easy with CF are absolutely not covered by FB anyway. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195282 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen. From: Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? - when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from. Fusedocs exist for a reason. That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application or an uninformed developer in regards to FB. Right on, Mike. Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer. Any tool is only worth the hands of its holder. With a hammer, it's just as easy to accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail. Using a tool like Fusebox, Mach-II, or even (ok, I'll say it) Plum at least makes maintenance easier by giving developers a common starting point. The flipside of that is that you have to know how to use the tool. It'd be a weirdly built world if we all used our own hammers built our own way. -Joe -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195283 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer. Any tool is only worth the hands of its holder. With a hammer, it's just as easy to accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail. C'mon, fuses, circuits, now hammers,... enough with metaphors, periphases and parabolas ;-) If FB is like a hammer, the nail should be knocked in more easily and more correctly, than with no hammer, no? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195289 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach claims it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application much harder to follow. Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly structured, but isn't FB supposed to precisely make the application easier to structure ? Ok, the FB progammer was dumb? But isn't FB supposed to make the task easier for programers? I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in that particular case, it is a failure. I don't know that Fusebox necessarily makes any claims about making the application easier for the uninitiated to follow. From the fusebox.org site: the system addresses development problems such as unmanageable complexity, wasteful redundancy of effort, time-consuming code maintenance, and slow development speed. I'm not a fusebox zealot, but I think it does achieve those goals when used properly. Like any tool, in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing it can just add an extra layer of indirection making it harder to follow the code. The same is true of any structured approach, not just Fusebox. Spike -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195291 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach claims it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application much harder to follow. Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly structured, but isn't FB supposed to precisely make the application easier to structure ? Ok, the FB progammer was dumb? But isn't FB supposed to make the task easier for programers? I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in that particular case, it is a failure. Seems like it was a poorly architected FB application. Not only I'm open, I have read the books, of course, and even back in 95 the whole CF documentation when it was only a MS Word document for version 1.1 or 1.2 if I remember well. The fusebox books? If so you would know that FB doesn't do anything for the programmer automatically. The programmer has to take the conepts and implement them, which is where I think the application you experienced fell short; the programmer did not do a good job setting things up and organizing the app... (following the framework). No, but I do have about 9 years experience with CF, and I can definitely appreciate if an approach makes things easier for me with CF or not. The only things I sometimes still find not really easy with CF are absolutely not covered by FB anyway. 9 years, none of which touch on FB... so how can you justify making comments about the Framework? No comments you make will hold weight because you are comparing your experience against your assumptions of the framework... doesn't make sense. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195293 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
I particularly enjoyed the use of the word 'uninitiated'. I'm familiar with Fusebox, where's my robe since I'm an initiate?!? At any rate, after having used Fusebox 3 for the last 6 months on a number of already developed apps, I can say that there are good ways and bad ways to build a Fusebox application, but nor am I sold on Fusebox as a solution I would specifically choose. However, I would choose Fusebox over no framework/methodology. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach claims it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application much harder to follow. Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly structured, but isn't FB supposed to precisely make the application easier to structure ? Ok, the FB progammer was dumb? But isn't FB supposed to make the task easier for programers? I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in that particular case, it is a failure. I don't know that Fusebox necessarily makes any claims about making the application easier for the uninitiated to follow. From the fusebox.org site: the system addresses development problems such as unmanageable complexity, wasteful redundancy of effort, time-consuming code maintenance, and slow development speed. I'm not a fusebox zealot, but I think it does achieve those goals when used properly. Like any tool, in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing it can just add an extra layer of indirection making it harder to follow the code. The same is true of any structured approach, not just Fusebox. Spike -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195295 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
I also tried Plum during the beta phase. I didn't like it...then again, I don't like lobster either. (and in both cases, I don't get all the hype) On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe. Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum. I wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail. I've probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users, examined the custom tag library, used tools like the component and storedproc generator, read the Plum methodology (I think FLiP has you beat), and I can even tell you what Help node is simply labelled Psych!. I took a great interest in Plum in its Beta stages because it similar to something I was thinking of releasing. This post asked for a comparison between Plum and other frameworks / tools. I wouldn't add my opinion if I didn't feel I was informed enough to have one. I'm probably in a better place to compare FB and Plum than most users of either. Because my opinion doesn't match yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195302 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
9 years, none of which touch on FB... so how can you justify making comments about the Framework? I just said I was upgrading a FB application. So at least I have an example. Does it take years to understand and know the principles of FB? Then how can it help? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:53:51 -0500, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best way for everyone to assess this is to download and install Plum, then thorooughly read the Plum documentation. Assuming you are running a Windows machine with .NET installed... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195319 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because my opinion doesn't match yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed. I have to say that Adam's habit of jumping on anyone who dares to criticize Plum is getting a bit tiring. I made some comments about it and he jumped straight down my throat (and later he apologized). Adam, I think you need to chill a bit dude. Plum is not for everyone. Fusebox is not for everyone. Mach II is not for everyone. Don't get upset when some people say they don't like what Plum does or doesn't do for them. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I just said I was upgrading a FB application. So at least I have an example. Does it take years to understand and know the principles of FB? Then how can it help? Well it would seem that after 9 years of coding, when you encountered something you obviously knew little about, you would spend some time trying to understand it before making the kinds of statements you've been making. It is apparent you have not taken any significant time to learn anything about Fusebox. Personally, I think you are just being an ass because you realize that Fusebox could be beneficial but you aren't up to speed on it so you are putting up this transparent defense by dissing it all afternoon. I am not defending it anymore so you can justify your inability to take 30 minutes out of your seemingly busy day to maybe head over to fusebox.org and enlighten yourself! I have taken enough time to know that for me, it is beneficial. Enjoy! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195321 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
I think you are just being an ass Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in that direction. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195322 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
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RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in that direction. Ok Claude, no problem. Good luck. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195325 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
dang hes sure had a bugger up his bum lately! he lashed out at me too, course couldnt back it up, so.. ::grabs popcorn to watch this one :: From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:01 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? I think you are just being an ass Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in that direction. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195326 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
[OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
We are all individuals. I'm not! On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:59:35 +0800, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Follow the gourd! No, Follow the sandal! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-) Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered *low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back when servers were 200MHz. We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server (dual 1ghz xeon) and the only time they're slow is when they query the slow COBOL system. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Adalon?
i dunno, go to myspace.com and do a few searches, that fusebox app rarely runs right (or could be the developers) if at all. From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:45 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-) Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered *low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back when servers were 200MHz. We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server (dual 1ghz xeon) and the only time they're slow is when they query the slow COBOL system. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
depending on what you like, you can point your fingers in any direction that pleases you :) On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:53:22 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dunno, go to myspace.com and do a few searches, that fusebox app rarely runs right (or could be the developers) if at all. From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:45 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-) Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered *low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back when servers were 200MHz. We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server (dual 1ghz xeon) and the only time they're slow is when they query the slow COBOL system. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Damn, I made the mistake of reading this one from the bottom up! I messed with FB a little, and it messed my mind up. Went back to my simple, basic architecture and felt much better. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Adalon?
i dunno, go to myspace.com and do a few searches, that fusebox app rarely runs right (or could be the developers) if at all. Dave: The fact that their app contains an extra switch/case or three over a non-FB app is unlikely to have any material impact on their uptime or performance. Assuming they have problems (I just browsed around and everything seemed snappy), they're far more likely to be just like everyone else's problems... DB bottlenecks, unexpected subscriber growth, intentional or accidental DoS, etc. -- Roger Benningfield free blog hosting for MX people http://mxblogspace.journurl.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
is synthis adalon free wireframe edition still available ?
Hi all, i don't find a link to download the free wireframe edition in the synthis.com and in the adadon.net website, it's still available? Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187207 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CF and Adalon
Anyone using Adalon from Synthis? Any comments on the product? I haven't used it in over a year, but when I did, it seemed to be a good way to keep the development of a CF Web App nice and organized. I see version 3 is due out soon... Just trying to get some up to date feedback. Mike [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: CF and Adalon
version 3 has been 'due' for the same amount of time you haven't been using it for. I used it extensively in fb3 days but haven't seen any compelling reasons to use it since fb4 support was limited, which is a shame since it was a great tool. On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:01:21 -0400, Tangorre, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using Adalon from Synthis? Any comments on the product? I haven't used it in over a year, but when I did, it seemed to be a good way to keep the development of a CF Web App nice and organized. I see version 3 is due out soon... Just trying to get some up to date feedback. Mike [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: CF and Adalon
Same here... Used it extensively with FB3, but since FB4 I have not touched it. I am trying to find a good tool to use here at work: tracking/gathering requirements, diagramming, documentation, task assignment, etc... Adalon gave me the best combo of the features I really needed at the time and I am hoping Adalon V.3 will offer the same... Unless someone can recommend some alternatives to look int. I am very open to checking as products out as possible. Mike Michael T. Tangorre [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: CF and Adalon
Same here... Used it extensively with FB3, but since FB4 I have not touched it. I am trying to find a good tool to use here at work: tracking/gathering requirements, diagramming, documentation, task assignment, etc... Adalon gave me the best combo of the features I really needed at the time and I am hoping Adalon V.3 will offer the same... Unless someone can recommend some alternatives to look int. I am very open to checking as products out as possible. We have asked that people in the Fusebox community provide us feedback on what type of functionality you would like to see in He3 to better support development of Fusebox applications. To date we have received very little feedback, which also explains why He3's support for Fusebox is less than that of Mach-II. I will be speaking at the Fusebox conference next month and look forward to engaging the community as much as possible. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: CF and Adalon
Matt, Are you saying that He3 could contain additional development tools such as requirements tracking, diagramming, etc.. (as seen in Adalon)? If so, I would be happy to drop you an email off list that outlines everything that would be great for a Fusebox development tool in addition to a great CF development tool. Mike We have asked that people in the Fusebox community provide us feedback on what type of functionality you would like to see in He3 to better support development of Fusebox applications. To date we have received very little feedback, which also explains why He3's support for Fusebox is less than that of Mach-II. I will be speaking at the Fusebox conference next month and look forward to engaging the community as much as possible. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: CF and Adalon
Are you saying that He3 could contain additional development tools such as requirements tracking, diagramming, etc.. (as seen in Adalon)? If so, I would be happy to drop you an email off list that outlines everything that would be great for a Fusebox development tool in addition to a great CF development tool. He3 could contain any functionality the CFML community finds appropriate. I've never used Adalon, so I can't comment on it or whether features found in it could show up in He3. However, if you're willing to provide me with what you are looking for then we will certainly take it under advisement. In regard to diagramming specifically, I saw Jeff Peter's Fuseminder application at CFUN and that seems like a worthwhile tool. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Adalon
Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Adalon
Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one of the fusebox lists for more info Kola -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Adalon
I have used it heavily in the past, for pieces of projects. Unfortunately it is not a tool I can afford to buy out of pocket and I could never convince an employer to purchase it (yet) :-) It is extremely helpful in organizing your CF project as well as documenting it. Id highly recommend checking it out and getting on the phone with a rep (I have had great communication with Bjorn...hopefully I can throw a PO at him one of these days). Mike -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Adalon
I'm anxious to try it out again...once it has mach-ii support...was great for FB3 Stace _ From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one of the fusebox lists for more info Kola -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Adalon
I believe Mach ii version is in Beta. They also have a CFMX version in development. One of the guys who is in my CFUG loves it and says it was one of the best thigns that ever happened to him. Mike, I'll have to get on the horn with Bjorn ;) Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/2003 1:34:45 PM I'm anxious to try it out again...once it has mach-ii support...was great for FB3 Stace _ From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one of the fusebox lists for more info Kola -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Adalon
Oh I've used it...and it does rock...just I fell off the CF face of the earth for a year while I pursued RIAs...and when I came back to more CF development, mach-ii was outbut its definitely a great tool! Stace _ From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon I believe Mach ii version is in Beta. They also have a CFMX version in development. One of the guys who is in my CFUG loves it and says it was one of the best thigns that ever happened to him. Mike, I'll have to get on the horn with Bjorn ;) Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/2003 1:34:45 PM I'm anxious to try it out again...once it has mach-ii support...was great for FB3 Stace _ From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one of the fusebox lists for more info Kola -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Adalon
Hi Stace, What are RIAs? - Original Message - From: Stacy Young To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Adalon Oh I've used it...and it does rock...just I fell off the CF face of the earth for a year while I pursued RIAs...and when I came back to more CF development, mach-ii was outbut its definitely a great tool! Stace _ From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon I believe Mach ii version is in Beta. They also have a CFMX version in development. One of the guys who is in my CFUG loves it and says it was one of the best thigns that ever happened to him. Mike, I'll have to get on the horn with Bjorn ;) Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/2003 1:34:45 PM I'm anxious to try it out again...once it has mach-ii support...was great for FB3 Stace _ From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one of the fusebox lists for more info Kola -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Adalon
Rich Internet Applications (RIAs - http://www.macromedia.com/resources/business/rich_internet_apps/ ). I was working mostly in Flash with Java backends the past year or so... Stace _ From: Mickael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adalon Hi Stace, What are RIAs? - Original Message - From: Stacy Young To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Adalon Oh I've used it...and it does rock...just I fell off the CF face of the earth for a year while I pursued RIAs...and when I came back to more CF development, mach-ii was outbut its definitely a great tool! Stace _ From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon I believe Mach ii version is in Beta. They also have a CFMX version in development. One of the guys who is in my CFUG loves it and says it was one of the best thigns that ever happened to him. Mike, I'll have to get on the horn with Bjorn ;) Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/2003 1:34:45 PM I'm anxious to try it out again...once it has mach-ii support...was great for FB3 Stace _ From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 13, 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adalon Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one of the fusebox lists for more info Kola -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB? What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you using it in a single developer environment of with a team of developers. I am looking for some good selling points for the boss. TIA! Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Adalon experience
Does anyone have any experience using Adalon 2.6 in the CFMX alpha mode ( i.e. not using the Fusebox or Struts skins)? Does anybody have any opinions in general about the software? Are there any other similar packages available? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Adalon experience
Walter: I have been using Adalon for most of my larger projects for almost two years. I really have gotten to rely on the ease of use of creating application layouts and the mapping of the application process. I recently started using the MX version and I am pretty impressed. I would highly recommend the application, it is an invaluable asset in my development toolbox. -JSLucido -Original Message- From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: None To: CF-Talk Subject: Adalon experience Does anyone have any experience using Adalon 2.6 in the CFMX alpha mode ( i.e. not using the Fusebox or Struts skins)? Does anybody have any opinions in general about the software? Are there any other similar packages available? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Adalon experience
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