Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
That's what I meant. :-) On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Aaron Rouse wrote: > > We have a ton of those consultants and they do not make it any less > difficult. They just get paid a ton of money to deal with how difficult it > is. > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:23 PM, John M Bliss > wrote: > > > > > Concur. And there are Sharepoint consultants that make plenty of $ to > make > > it less difficult... > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Rouse > wrote: > > > > > > > > Most anything with Sharepoint is rather difficult to do when wanting > > > to do something not 100% out of the box or atleast that has been our > > > experience. > > > > > > On Friday, May 8, 2009, Dave Watts wrote: > > > > > > > >> Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution > that > > > we can tailor to > > > >> our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have > A > > > LOT more research > > > >> to do this weekend! > > > > > > > > Sharepoint exposes web services, which in theory can be consumed by > > > > CF. But this has been pretty difficult for the specific things I've > > > > looked at, myself. > > > > > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322372 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
We have a ton of those consultants and they do not make it any less difficult. They just get paid a ton of money to deal with how difficult it is. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:23 PM, John M Bliss wrote: > > Concur. And there are Sharepoint consultants that make plenty of $ to make > it less difficult... > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Rouse wrote: > > > > > Most anything with Sharepoint is rather difficult to do when wanting > > to do something not 100% out of the box or atleast that has been our > > experience. > > > > On Friday, May 8, 2009, Dave Watts wrote: > > > > > >> Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution that > > we can tailor to > > >> our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have A > > LOT more research > > >> to do this weekend! > > > > > > Sharepoint exposes web services, which in theory can be consumed by > > > CF. But this has been pretty difficult for the specific things I've > > > looked at, myself. > > > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322353 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
Concur. And there are Sharepoint consultants that make plenty of $ to make it less difficult... On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Rouse wrote: > > Most anything with Sharepoint is rather difficult to do when wanting > to do something not 100% out of the box or atleast that has been our > experience. > > On Friday, May 8, 2009, Dave Watts wrote: > > > >> Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution that > we can tailor to > >> our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have A > LOT more research > >> to do this weekend! > > > > Sharepoint exposes web services, which in theory can be consumed by > > CF. But this has been pretty difficult for the specific things I've > > looked at, myself. > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information > > > > > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322349 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
Most anything with Sharepoint is rather difficult to do when wanting to do something not 100% out of the box or atleast that has been our experience. On Friday, May 8, 2009, Dave Watts wrote: > >> Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution that we >> can tailor to >> our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have A LOT >> more research >> to do this weekend! > > Sharepoint exposes web services, which in theory can be consumed by > CF. But this has been pretty difficult for the specific things I've > looked at, myself. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322348 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
Further IIRC, Sharepoint typically (always?) has a SQL Server DB "behind" it and there's no reason why you couldn't "touch" that DB via CF (at least for SELECTS)... Here're the pros and cons as I see them: *Sharepoint* *Pros* - Does a lot of stuff "out of the box" (especially intranet/extranet stuff) - Integrates (fairly) easily with other Microsoft software (SQL Server, Exchange, Office, etc) so, if client uses many/most/all of these already... *Cons* - Is more expensive...both for the software and for consulting hours (typically) - Is more difficult and/or expensive to customize (SEE cost of aforementioned consulting hours) *Custom CF solution* * Pros* - Can be built from the ground up to *precisely* meet client's reqs - Is less expensive...both for the software (SEE http://getrailo.com) and for consulting hours (typically)...but client'll need to purchase more consulting hours up-front * Cons* - Will consume days/weeks/months before v1 is done - Something else I can't think of right now :-) On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution that we > can tailor to > > our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have A > LOT more research > > to do this weekend! > > Sharepoint exposes web services, which in theory can be consumed by > CF. But this has been pretty difficult for the specific things I've > looked at, myself. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322344 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
> Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution that we can > tailor to > our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have A LOT > more research > to do this weekend! Sharepoint exposes web services, which in theory can be consumed by CF. But this has been pretty difficult for the specific things I've looked at, myself. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322340 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
Can CF interact with Sharepoint in anyway? We have a CF solution that we can tailor to our clients needs...I am not a SharePoint expert, but I guess I have A LOT more research to do this weekend! >The comparison isn't between CF and SharePoint, it's between your >solution (which happens to be written in CFML) and SharePoint. If you >want to compare CF against something it'd need to be .NET (which is >what SharePoint is implemented in), not SharePoint itself. > >cheers, >barneyb > > >> ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322338 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
Which is closer to meeting/exceeding all of client's reqs "out of the box:" CF solution or SharePoint? Or are you comparing a CF solution you'll be building from scratch with SharePoint? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Brian Yager wrote: > > I have a customer that we are trying to sell a CF solution and they are > wanting SharePoint. Does anyone have any amunition I can use to sway their > decision our way? Any and all help is appreciated! > > > Brian > > > Brian Yager > S3, IT Manager > President North Alabama > ColdFusion Users Group > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322337 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
The comparison isn't between CF and SharePoint, it's between your solution (which happens to be written in CFML) and SharePoint. If you want to compare CF against something it'd need to be .NET (which is what SharePoint is implemented in), not SharePoint itself. cheers, barneyb On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Brian Yager wrote: > > I have a customer that we are trying to sell a CF solution and they are > wanting SharePoint. Does anyone have any amunition I can use to sway their > decision our way? Any and all help is appreciated! > > > Brian > > > Brian Yager > S3, IT Manager > President North Alabama > ColdFusion Users Group > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322336 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
ColdFusion vs Sharepoint
I have a customer that we are trying to sell a CF solution and they are wanting SharePoint. Does anyone have any amunition I can use to sway their decision our way? Any and all help is appreciated! Brian Brian Yager S3, IT Manager President North Alabama ColdFusion Users Group ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322335 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
