Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Peter Tilbrook
It is no Studio/HomeSite+ for sure but...

Install the 8.02 update, turn off cloaking and design notes. It isn't too bad 
after that!

Also it likes RAM. And lots of it!

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Massimo Foti
 Install the 8.02 update, turn off cloaking and design notes.

I would suggest to turn off site synchronization and site cache as well. It 
can be done on a site by site level.


 It isn't too bad after that!

In my opinion, if you only use Code View and never take advantage of the 
visual tools DW isn't better than HS+. But it's pretty much a matter of 
tastes.


Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire
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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Will Tomlinson
Get 2GB RAM. 

Mine runs like greased lightnin'. DW doesn't like pooh boy machines. 

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Doug Brown
I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the problem, I
am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run CF/MSSQL/Apache/
etc on here.



Doug


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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VENT
 
  I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
work the way it should. Arg!!!
  /VENT
 
 
  Doug B.
 
 

 

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RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Snake
DWMX will run like a dog with anything les sthan 1GB ram in your machine,
rather like Photoshop.
If you run a lot of other services and have a big page file, you may need
more.

Russ
 

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 November 2006 13:03
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the problem, I
am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run CF/MSSQL/Apache/
etc on here.



Doug


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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VENT
 
  I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
work the way it should. Arg!!!
  /VENT
 
 
  Doug B.
 
 

 



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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
500mb with SQL server on the same machine is asking for performance issues!

You defo need a gig or more.





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Subject: RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

DWMX will run like a dog with anything les sthan 1GB ram in your machine,
rather like Photoshop.
If you run a lot of other services and have a big page file, you may need
more.

Russ
 

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From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the problem, I
am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run CF/MSSQL/Apache/
etc on here.



Doug


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From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VENT
 
  I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
work the way it should. Arg!!!
  /VENT
 
 
  Doug B.
 
 

 





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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread James Holmes
The RAM is absolutely the problem. RAM is dirt cheap - bump it up to
2GB if you are running all those servers there too.

On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the problem, I
 am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run CF/MSSQL/Apache/
 etc on here.



 Doug


 - Original Message -
 From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
 Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


  What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?
 
  On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   VENT
  
   I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
 have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
 files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
 too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
 be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
 IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
 work the way it should. Arg!!!
   /VENT
  
  
   Doug B.
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Doug Brown
Thanks for the input everyone. I guess I assumed that DW  HS+ would be
somewhat comparable as far as memory usage. I guess that is what I get for
assuming. Things were so beautiful with Jeremy running the show.


Doug


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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 The RAM is absolutely the problem. RAM is dirt cheap - bump it up to
 2GB if you are running all those servers there too.

 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the
problem, I
  am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run
CF/MSSQL/Apache/
  etc on here.
 
 
 
  Doug
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!
 
 
   What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?
  
   On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
VENT
   
I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of
crappola!! I
  have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
  files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they
put
  too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+
and
  be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed,
but
  IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
  work the way it should. Arg!!!
/VENT
   
   
Doug B.
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Casey Dougall
Dreamweaver always runs less ram than firefox and Internet explorer so I
don't know what peoples issues are with it.

Ben Forta wrote an article eons ago about closing certain panels which would
speed up dreamweaver. All of the panels are also running every time you look
at an element on the page. css, tag inspector, application etc. Close those
if you choose and you could see an improvement.


Casey



On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the input everyone. I guess I assumed that DW  HS+ would be
 somewhat comparable as far as memory usage. I guess that is what I get for
 assuming. Things were so beautiful with Jeremy running the show.


 Doug



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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Doug Brown
Not sure what you mean by IE using more resources than DW. On my machine DW
uses 51,366k and Explorer uses 25,383k. My biggest hog though is JRUN which
is using 75,700k


D.B

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From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 Dreamweaver always runs less ram than firefox and Internet explorer so I
 don't know what peoples issues are with it.

 Ben Forta wrote an article eons ago about closing certain panels which
would
 speed up dreamweaver. All of the panels are also running every time you
look
 at an element on the page. css, tag inspector, application etc. Close
those
 if you choose and you could see an improvement.


 Casey



 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the input everyone. I guess I assumed that DW  HS+ would be
  somewhat comparable as far as memory usage. I guess that is what I get
for
  assuming. Things were so beautiful with Jeremy running the show.
 
 
  Doug
 


 

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RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Doug Bezona
Yes, RAM is your main issue. Windows barely runs well on 500mb - add some 
server apps and you are likely running mostly from the swap file, which is 
ordrs of magnitude slower.

RAM is fairly cheap these days, so go for as much as your machine will accept - 
2gig is great. Personally I have 4gig in my workstation running 64 bit XP, and 
it handles CF, Oracle and as many desktop apps as I want to run without any 
complaint.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: 11/19/06 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the problem, I
am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run CF/MSSQL/Apache/
etc on here.



Doug


- Original Message - 
From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VENT
 
  I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
work the way it should. Arg!!!
  /VENT
 
 
  Doug B.
 
 

 



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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Indeed, I have 2GB and 32 bit on mine which runs AOK :-)







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To: CF-Talk
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Subject: RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

Yes, RAM is your main issue. Windows barely runs well on 500mb - add some
server apps and you are likely running mostly from the swap file, which is
ordrs of magnitude slower.

RAM is fairly cheap these days, so go for as much as your machine will
accept - 2gig is great. Personally I have 4gig in my workstation running 64
bit XP, and it handles CF, Oracle and as many desktop apps as I want to run
without any complaint.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: 11/19/06 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

I am running it on a Intel 3.2ghz 500MB Ram. Maybe the ram is the problem, I
am not sure. I probably need to add more being that I run CF/MSSQL/Apache/
etc on here.



Doug


- Original Message - 
From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VENT
 
  I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
work the way it should. Arg!!!
  /VENT
 
 
  Doug B.
 
 

 





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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Casey Dougall
On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not sure what you mean by IE using more resources than DW. On my machine
 DW
 uses 51,366k and Explorer uses 25,383k. My biggest hog though is JRUN
 which
 is using 75,700k


 D.B


Firefox 2 tabs  73,200
IE 2 tabs 42,700
Dreamweaver 2 documents: 39,200


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RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Dawson, Michael
Other than uninstalling DW 8, does anyone know how to get the DW
snippets to STOP showing in HS+?  Disabling DW integration, in HS+,
doesn't make any difference.

Why did Macromedia think everyone would always want to share snippets
between the two applications?  I certainly don't.

M!ke 

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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 5:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

 Install the 8.02 update, turn off cloaking and design notes.

I would suggest to turn off site synchronization and site cache as well.
It can be done on a site by site level.


 It isn't too bad after that!

In my opinion, if you only use Code View and never take advantage of the

visual tools DW isn't better than HS+. But it's pretty much a matter of 
tastes.

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Claude Schneegans
 I suppose I will go back to HS+ and be happy once again.

Like many others ;-)

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RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Eric Roberts
I find it to be a bit slower that I care for...especially when dealing with
ftp.  But overall the features it offers far exceed the PIA factor of the
slowness.

Eric 

-Original Message-
From: Peter Tilbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2006 03:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

It is no Studio/HomeSite+ for sure but...

Install the 8.02 update, turn off cloaking and design notes. It isn't too
bad after that!

Also it likes RAM. And lots of it!



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RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Doug...I think your problem is not any one application...but the combination
of apps you have running concurrently.  While computers are capable of
running a lot, when you have apps that are designed to run on their own
machines (i.e. CF on a web server, SQL on a db server, etc) you are looking
at large complex apps that use a lot of real estate...both CPU and memory.
Unless you happen to have your machine on steroids, you are going to have
issues.  What you should do for a development environment is just set up a
separate server for that.  It doesn't even have to be a beefed up production
level server...I have an older 1.8 with 256mb running MySQL and CF for
development and even a local mail server. The other thing that is good about
doing it this way is that you can then have an exact dupe of your production
environment and access it the same way you would access your production
environment.  You working machine is also more likely to develop issues
because you are adding and removing software, surfing the net, email,
etc...so having your development environment isolated from this is a smart
thing to do as well.  Less likely that you will lose your work that way.
It's also more efficient to do backups of a separate server than to try and
do parts or all of a working machine.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2006 10:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

Not sure what you mean by IE using more resources than DW. On my machine DW
uses 51,366k and Explorer uses 25,383k. My biggest hog though is JRUN which
is using 75,700k


D.B

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Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!


 Dreamweaver always runs less ram than firefox and Internet explorer so I
 don't know what peoples issues are with it.

 Ben Forta wrote an article eons ago about closing certain panels which
would
 speed up dreamweaver. All of the panels are also running every time you
look
 at an element on the page. css, tag inspector, application etc. Close
those
 if you choose and you could see an improvement.


 Casey



 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the input everyone. I guess I assumed that DW  HS+ would be
  somewhat comparable as far as memory usage. I guess that is what I get
for
  assuming. Things were so beautiful with Jeremy running the show.
 
 
  Doug
 


 



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Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-18 Thread Doug Brown
VENT

I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I have 
never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245 files and I 
cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put too much into 
these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and be happy once 
again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but IMO you should 
not have to disable features in order to get something to work the way it 
should. Arg!!!
/VENT


Doug B.

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-18 Thread greg h
Doug,
Admittedly DW is not for everybody.

That said, DW code view pretty much is HS w/ code collapse other actually
useful goodieshttp://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/productinfo/features/
..

Is there a DW8 feature that you thought might make DW compelling to use from
time to time?  For instance, last I heard DW has CFC support that HS might
not.  And then of course there is always CFEclipsehttp://www.cfeclipse.org/
..

btw ... just curious what type of CPU and memory you were running DW8 on?  I
run DW8 every day on a Pentium 4 3.06GHz w/ 1 GB RAM and never once have I
had the type of experience that you just described.

Best of luck,

g


On 11/18/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 VENT

 I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
 have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
 files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
 too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
 be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
 IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
 work the way it should. Arg!!!
 /VENT


 Doug B.


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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-18 Thread James Holmes
What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 VENT

 I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I have 
 never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245 files and 
 I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put too much 
 into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and be happy 
 once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but IMO you 
 should not have to disable features in order to get something to work the way 
 it should. Arg!!!
 /VENT


 Doug B.

 

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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-18 Thread Tom Forbes
My findings as well. I have a 3.6GHz and 1 Gb of RAM. I went back to 
HS after about a week. Too much overhead.



At 01:42 AM 11/19/2006, you wrote:
What are the specs of the machine on which you are running it?

On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  VENT
 
  I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of 
 crappola!! I have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My 
 site has about 245 files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. 
 Sometimes I think they put too much into these visual design tools. 
 I suppose I will go back to HS+ and be happy once again. I read all 
 the articles on how to improve DW speed, but IMO you should not 
 have to disable features in order to get something to work the way 
 it should. Arg!!!
  /VENT
 
 
  Doug B.
 
 



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Re: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-18 Thread mac jordan
On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 VENT

 I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of crappola!! I
 have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My site has about 245
 files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it. Sometimes I think they put
 too much into these visual design tools. I suppose I will go back to HS+ and
 be happy once again. I read all the articles on how to improve DW speed, but
 IMO you should not have to disable features in order to get something to
 work the way it should. Arg!!!
 /VENT



what are you running it on?  My Mac G5 handles sites larger than that with
no trouble at all.


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RE: Dreamweaver is a total dog!!

2006-11-18 Thread Jim Davis
 On 11/19/06, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   VENT
  
   I just installed DW for the first time, and what a piece of
  crappola!! I have never seen nothing lag like this thing does. My
  site has about 245 files and I cannot believe it cannot handle it.
  Sometimes I think they put too much into these visual design tools.
  I suppose I will go back to HS+ and be happy once again. I read all
  the articles on how to improve DW speed, but IMO you should not
  have to disable features in order to get something to work the way
  it should. Arg!!!
   /VENT

Well... you could always move to WebSphere Developer Studio (WSAD) for a
while.  

After that Dreamweaver will seem downright peppy.

I use WSAD on both a 1,200 MHz, 2Gig of Ram laptop and on my personal
Dual-Opteron 252, 3 Gig of RAM machine - Dreamweaver is significantly faster
on both machines.  Of course neither are anywhere near Homesite+ which runs
just fine on my old 800 MHz, 256 Meg of RAM machine.  ;^)

Of course I still have them all installed.

Bottom line is that more features means slower processing - use the least
tool you can for the job at hand.

Jim Davis 



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