Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
Rick, I think you'll find that most of the HoF lists you mentioned (aside from CF-Talk) have very limited participation recently - suggesting that people are generally going to other lists or forums for support and discussion on those topics, because the communities are larger and more likely to have members with adequate experience to answer questions. Many of the HoF lists were created before established communities or forums were available elsewhere. If you look a some of these HoF lists, you'll see what I mean: *List** * *Posts in 2012** * *Last Post** * Ajax 3 8/23/12 CSS 0 12/23/10 JavaScript 0 9/15/11 XML 0 5/12/10 SQL 4 5/9/12 RegEx 2 4/5/12 Java 4 (all job postings) 3/22/12 .Net 6 (all job postings) 6/11/12 SEO 0 11/20/08 To be honest, my primary reason for joining HoF was for CF-Talk, which I try to stay active with. I subscribe to the ColdFusion-Builder list for occasional support (although I'm starting to use the Adobe forum more and more), and to the SQL list mainly to offer assistance when I can. If I have a SQL issue, I hit the Google or a couple of SQL Server specific groups (SSWUG, MSSQLTips, SQLServer Central). -Carl On 9/16/2012 11:26 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: If the topics for mailing were to be restricted to CF only, which I could understand, then there would be no mailing lists, as there already are, for SEO, RegEx, CSS, SQL, AJaX, XML, Java, Jrun, .Net (especially), and Javascript on HouseOfFusion.com. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352642 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
I unashamedly and completely agree with Carl and Russ. Damn, Russ. I've fully agreed with you twice in a matter of weeks. What is this world coming to? :-) On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.netwrote: Rick, I think you'll find that most of the HoF lists you mentioned (aside from CF-Talk) have very limited participation recently - suggesting that people are generally going to other lists or forums for support and discussion on those topics, because the communities are larger and more likely to have members with adequate experience to answer questions. Many of the HoF lists were created before established communities or forums were available elsewhere. If you look a some of these HoF lists, you'll see what I mean: *List** * *Posts in 2012** * *Last Post** * Ajax 3 8/23/12 CSS 0 12/23/10 JavaScript 0 9/15/11 XML 0 5/12/10 SQL 4 5/9/12 RegEx 2 4/5/12 Java 4 (all job postings) 3/22/12 .Net 6 (all job postings) 6/11/12 SEO 0 11/20/08 To be honest, my primary reason for joining HoF was for CF-Talk, which I try to stay active with. I subscribe to the ColdFusion-Builder list for occasional support (although I'm starting to use the Adobe forum more and more), and to the SQL list mainly to offer assistance when I can. If I have a SQL issue, I hit the Google or a couple of SQL Server specific groups (SSWUG, MSSQLTips, SQLServer Central). -Carl On 9/16/2012 11:26 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: If the topics for mailing were to be restricted to CF only, which I could understand, then there would be no mailing lists, as there already are, for SEO, RegEx, CSS, SQL, AJaX, XML, Java, Jrun, .Net (especially), and Javascript on HouseOfFusion.com. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352643 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: But more important than just communicating with anyone is communicating with people you already have a relationship with. When discussing responsive design, the most important to me is communicating with experts on the subject matter, not people I have warm fuzzies about. HOF lists have lots of experts in backend development. While many of us also know a thing or two about HTML/CSS I tend to look elsewhere first for a true expert opinion regarding responsive design. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352644 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
Gosh, perhaps someone let the bees out of your bonnet ;-) Regards Russ Michaels On Sep 17, 2012 5:23 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I unashamedly and completely agree with Carl and Russ. Damn, Russ. I've fully agreed with you twice in a matter of weeks. What is this world coming to? :-) On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.netwrote: Rick, I think you'll find that most of the HoF lists you mentioned (aside from CF-Talk) have very limited participation recently - suggesting that people are generally going to other lists or forums for support and discussion on those topics, because the communities are larger and more likely to have members with adequate experience to answer questions. Many of the HoF lists were created before established communities or forums were available elsewhere. If you look a some of these HoF lists, you'll see what I mean: *List** * *Posts in 2012** * *Last Post** * Ajax 3 8/23/12 CSS 0 12/23/10 JavaScript 0 9/15/11 XML 0 5/12/10 SQL 4 5/9/12 RegEx 2 4/5/12 Java 4 (all job postings) 3/22/12 .Net 6 (all job postings) 6/11/12 SEO 0 11/20/08 To be honest, my primary reason for joining HoF was for CF-Talk, which I try to stay active with. I subscribe to the ColdFusion-Builder list for occasional support (although I'm starting to use the Adobe forum more and more), and to the SQL list mainly to offer assistance when I can. If I have a SQL issue, I hit the Google or a couple of SQL Server specific groups (SSWUG, MSSQLTips, SQLServer Central). -Carl On 9/16/2012 11:26 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: If the topics for mailing were to be restricted to CF only, which I could understand, then there would be no mailing lists, as there already are, for SEO, RegEx, CSS, SQL, AJaX, XML, Java, Jrun, .Net (especially), and Javascript on HouseOfFusion.com. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352645 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
Hi, Michael... Have you given any thought to creating a mailing list for the hottest design paradigm to come along in a lng time? Response and Adaptive Web Design I think there would be a of interest in this, especially, the role of CF in this design approach. Nothing, I don't believe, will affect CF developers, who also work on the front end in design, more than dealing with the various form factors on which we must present our content. Any others have any thoughts on this? Thanks for all your do, Michael. You'll never know of the lives and business (mine included) that your mailing list has impacted, (AND MADE SUCCESSFUL!) by providing a means for newbies to get the info needed to get us over the hump, especially in the beginning, and in constantly helping us expand our knowledge when online materials that can't respond to our questions just aren't enough, and we need to talk to someone. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
I think you would be far better off to join an existing list on this topic that is already active. Its not really a cf topic so would get limited activity and this list is already quiet enough these days without trying to draw traffic to another one. Hard to believe this list used to be so active it was impossibe to keep up. Regards Russ Michaels On Sep 16, 2012 5:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Hi, Michael... Have you given any thought to creating a mailing list for the hottest design paradigm to come along in a lng time? Response and Adaptive Web Design I think there would be a of interest in this, especially, the role of CF in this design approach. Nothing, I don't believe, will affect CF developers, who also work on the front end in design, more than dealing with the various form factors on which we must present our content. Any others have any thoughts on this? Thanks for all your do, Michael. You'll never know of the lives and business (mine included) that your mailing list has impacted, (AND MADE SUCCESSFUL!) by providing a means for newbies to get the info needed to get us over the hump, especially in the beginning, and in constantly helping us expand our knowledge when online materials that can't respond to our questions just aren't enough, and we need to talk to someone. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
I can see your point, Russ... But more important than just communicating with anyone is communicating with people you already have a relationship with. It's a matter of knowing you can trust what people you're familiar with have to say on a matter. If the topics for mailing were to be restricted to CF only, which I could understand, then there would be no mailing lists, as there already are, for SEO, RegEx, CSS, SQL, AJaX, XML, Java, Jrun, .Net (especially), and Javascript on HouseOfFusion.com. All these topics (well, almost all) are becoming ever more intertwined and it seems there is certainly room for the most important design paradigm shift to come about in a decade. Most mailing list participants, I would venture to guess, would rather carry on conversations about the various issues they face when programming and designing within the same group, rather than sign up for yet another list. Breaching subjects outside CF on a CF list follows more the natural development of developers as their need for knowledge in other areas grows. As far as diminishing the ranks of CF-Talk participants, CF-Talk will always be my main mailing list no matter what else I get involved in, as long as I'm using CF, which will be forever... Thanks for the feedback... Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design I think you would be far better off to join an existing list on this topic that is already active. Its not really a cf topic so would get limited activity and this list is already quiet enough these days without trying to draw traffic to another one. Hard to believe this list used to be so active it was impossibe to keep up. Regards Russ Michaels On Sep 16, 2012 5:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Hi, Michael... Have you given any thought to creating a mailing list for the hottest design paradigm to come along in a lng time? Response and Adaptive Web Design I think there would be a of interest in this, especially, the role of CF in this design approach. Nothing, I don't believe, will affect CF developers, who also work on the front end in design, more than dealing with the various form factors on which we must present our content. Any others have any thoughts on this? Thanks for all your do, Michael. You'll never know of the lives and business (mine included) that your mailing list has impacted, (AND MADE SUCCESSFUL!) by providing a means for newbies to get the info needed to get us over the hump, especially in the beginning, and in constantly helping us expand our knowledge when online materials that can't respond to our questions just aren't enough, and we need to talk to someone. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
I give this idea a HUGE PLUS!!! Terry -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:14 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352634 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
