RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-31 Thread Dave Watts

  No, no one has done this, because I don't think it can be 
  done. You can have as many virtual web servers as you like 
  on a single machine, but they'll all be serviced by a single 
  CF server.
 
 Actually you can do this with VMWare, it allows you to bind 
 multiple IP addresses across different Virtual Machines (on one 
 server), so if for instance you had a DHCP server assigning 
 addresses, you would have one IP address per VM. And so since 
 you have multiple OS's running you can have multiple CF servers 
 running on one machine.

When using VMware, you end up with multiple virtual machines. Within any of
these machines, you can only run one copy of CF. In any case, I don't think
you'd want to host web content on VMware, for performance reasons. I use
VMware quite a bit (right now, I've got three VMs on my Windows 2000 laptop,
and they can all talk to each other over IP, which is kind of amazing), but
you end up with multiple OSs, obviously, and serious constraints with regard
to memory and general performance issues.

In any case, it's not available for Solaris, I don't think.

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Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Bruce Holm

Can you install two instances of CF Server on the same UNIX machine?
I want to move our Development environment from machine A to machine B 
which is also where our Staging/Testing environment lives so that I can 
install CF Server 5 on machine A.
This means I need two instances on the same machine, one for each web 
site environment so that INCLUDE mappings work correctly for absolute 
paths as files are moved from environment to environment.

If you know if this can be done and how and can help, I'd appreciate it!

-
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Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Billy Cravens

No - but you should be able to set up multiple mappings.  However, you can
run multiple instances of your OS using VMWare (if your OS is supported) -
just run CF on each instance

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Subject: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


 Can you install two instances of CF Server on the same UNIX machine?
 I want to move our Development environment from machine A to machine B
 which is also where our Staging/Testing environment lives so that I can
 install CF Server 5 on machine A.
 This means I need two instances on the same machine, one for each web
 site environment so that INCLUDE mappings work correctly for absolute
 paths as files are moved from environment to environment.

 If you know if this can be done and how and can help, I'd appreciate it!

 -
 Bruce Holm - Web Programmer
 Lattice Semiconductor Corp.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 -


 
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Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Bruce Holm

What is VMWare?

Using multiple mappings doesn't work.  There can be only one web root /.
This means the other web server has to change paths for every INCLUDE.

Bruce

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Subject: Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


 No - but you should be able to set up multiple mappings.  However, you can
 run multiple instances of your OS using VMWare (if your OS is supported) -
 just run CF on each instance


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Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Billy Cravens

VMWare.com - allows you to run multiple OS's on the same machine
concurrently

But it sounds like an architecture issue - you didn't use hard-code absolute
paths, did you?  naughty, naughty :-)

You should be able to run multiple virtual web servers though - like
someserver1.something.tld is mapped to one directory (say,
/usr/html/someserver1) and someserver2.something.tld is mapped to a
different directory (/usr/html/someserver2) - look at your web server docs

Or set up a CF mapping (look in CF administrator)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


 What is VMWare?

 Using multiple mappings doesn't work.  There can be only one web root /.
 This means the other web server has to change paths for every INCLUDE.

 Bruce

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 Subject: Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


  No - but you should be able to set up multiple mappings.  However, you
can
  run multiple instances of your OS using VMWare (if your OS is
supported) -
  just run CF on each instance
 

 
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RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Dave Watts

 Can you install two instances of CF Server on the same UNIX 
 machine? I want to move our Development environment from machine 
 A to machine B which is also where our Staging/Testing environment 
 lives so that I can install CF Server 5 on machine A. This means 
 I need two instances on the same machine, one for each web 
 site environment so that INCLUDE mappings work correctly for 
 absolute paths as files are moved from environment to environment.

Unfortunately, you can only install one instance of CF on a machine. So, the
key to allowing the use of that instance for both development and staging is
to avoid the use of the root absolute mapping (/) within your code.

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Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Bruce Holm

So setting up multiple virtual web servers can be done without VMWare?
Assuming I do get multiple virtual web servers set up, this allows a CF
server per web server and therefore multiple CF servers per machine?
Has anyone done this?

As for CF mapping, as I stated...we do use absolute paths in INCLUDES (makes
for movable and reusable code).  So mapping files won't help us.  It would
require massive changes on all the INCLUDES in our code...not an option.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


 VMWare.com - allows you to run multiple OS's on the same machine
 concurrently

 But it sounds like an architecture issue - you didn't use hard-code
absolute
 paths, did you?  naughty, naughty :-)

 You should be able to run multiple virtual web servers though - like
 someserver1.something.tld is mapped to one directory (say,
 /usr/html/someserver1) and someserver2.something.tld is mapped to a
 different directory (/usr/html/someserver2) - look at your web server docs

 Or set up a CF mapping (look in CF administrator)


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RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Pete Freitag

VMWare lets you run multiple operating systems inside windows nt/2000 or
linux (not a dual boot, you can run both at the same time).  It's very cool:
http://www.vmware.com

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-Original Message-
From: Bruce Holm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


What is VMWare?

Using multiple mappings doesn't work.  There can be only one web root /.
This means the other web server has to change paths for every INCLUDE.

Bruce

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


 No - but you should be able to set up multiple mappings.  However, you can
 run multiple instances of your OS using VMWare (if your OS is supported) -
 just run CF on each instance



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RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Dave Watts

 So setting up multiple virtual web servers can be done without 
 VMWare? Assuming I do get multiple virtual web servers set up, 
 this allows a CF server per web server and therefore multiple 
 CF servers per machine? Has anyone done this?

No, no one has done this, because I don't think it can be done. You can have
as many virtual web servers as you like on a single machine, but they'll all
be serviced by a single CF server.

 As for CF mapping, as I stated...we do use absolute paths in 
 INCLUDES (makes for movable and reusable code). So mapping files 
 won't help us. It would require massive changes on all the 
 INCLUDES in our code...not an option.

Well, it sounds like your code isn't as movable or reusable as you'd like.
This is a common issue, when using a single machine to host multiple virtual
web servers with CF content, and one common workaround is to use variables
to specify the file path, rather than hard-coding path information in your
CFINCLUDEs. For example, you might have something like this in your
Application.cfm for a given application:

cfset basepath = /stagingapp

Let's assume that your web root directory looks like this:

/usr/local/apache/htdocs/
/stagingapp/
/devapp/

and that you've mapped / to /usr/local/apache/htdocs/ in the CF
Administrator.

In this case, you could simply change the variable that you've set in
Application.cfm to migrate the application from one directory to another.

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Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Bruce Holm

It doesn't appear their product is for Sun Unix machines.
And if our dept. had the money they'd probably opt for a new machine anyway.


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Subject: RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


 VMWare lets you run multiple operating systems inside windows nt/2000 or
 linux (not a dual boot, you can run both at the same time).  It's very
cool:
 http://www.vmware.com

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RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Pete Freitag

 No, no one has done this, because I don't think it can be done. You can
have
 as many virtual web servers as you like on a single machine, but they'll
all
 be serviced by a single CF server.

Actually you can do this with VMWare, it allows you to bind multiple IP
addresses across different Virtual Machines (on one server), so if for
instance you had a DHCP server assigning addresses, you would have one IP
address per VM.  And so since you have multiple OS's running you can have
multiple CF servers running on one machine.

+
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CTO, CFDEV.COM
ColdFusion Developer Resources
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Re: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?

2002-01-30 Thread Bruce Holm

What does this s/w cost (approx.)?

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From: Pete Freitag [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: Multiple Instances of CF Server 4.5.1?


  No, no one has done this, because I don't think it can be done. You can
 have
  as many virtual web servers as you like on a single machine, but they'll
 all
  be serviced by a single CF server.

 Actually you can do this with VMWare, it allows you to bind multiple IP
 addresses across different Virtual Machines (on one server), so if for
 instance you had a DHCP server assigning addresses, you would have one IP
 address per VM.  And so since you have multiple OS's running you can have
 multiple CF servers running on one machine.

 +
 Pete Freitag ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 CTO, CFDEV.COM
 ColdFusion Developer Resources
 http://www.cfdev.com/


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