Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Brian Kotek

Actually, sorry, I use Mozy, not Carboninte. :-)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Brian Kotek  wrote:

> I use Acronis True Image to create weekly drive images for my C: drive (SSD
> housing OS, Eclipse, etc.) and D: drive (2 TB Data) drives to a separate
> internal drive (E:), as well as nightly incremental images. Acronis is worth
> the money over the built-in Windows system image tool because it can verify
> the image (mandatory IMO), define any schedule you wish (such as mixing full
> and incremental), lets you browse and restore individual files from the
> images at will, and lets you perform a restore on different hardware if
> necessary.
>
> Second layer is Carbonite, doing a full web backup of all critical data, as
> a last resort in the event of physical destruction of the system.
>
> Having learned a long time ago the brutally harsh lesson about backing up
> my data, the minor expenses associated with this setup is a steal compared
> to the time and effort I've wasted trying to recover data.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson <
> br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial
>> for it over the weekend for the 1st time.
>>
>> Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
>> (i.e. the cloud) was the repository??
>>
>> If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?
>>
>> The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in
>> case of say a fire at home (where you may not have  a fire safe)...or
>> perhaps a flood.  To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to
>> problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your
>> controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe).
>>
>> Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not
>> missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-)
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>


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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Brian Kotek

I use Acronis True Image to create weekly drive images for my C: drive (SSD
housing OS, Eclipse, etc.) and D: drive (2 TB Data) drives to a separate
internal drive (E:), as well as nightly incremental images. Acronis is worth
the money over the built-in Windows system image tool because it can verify
the image (mandatory IMO), define any schedule you wish (such as mixing full
and incremental), lets you browse and restore individual files from the
images at will, and lets you perform a restore on different hardware if
necessary.

Second layer is Carbonite, doing a full web backup of all critical data, as
a last resort in the event of physical destruction of the system.

Having learned a long time ago the brutally harsh lesson about backing up my
data, the minor expenses associated with this setup is a steal compared to
the time and effort I've wasted trying to recover data.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson <
br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:

>
> Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial
> for it over the weekend for the 1st time.
>
> Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
> (i.e. the cloud) was the repository??
>
> If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?
>
> The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in
> case of say a fire at home (where you may not have  a fire safe)...or
> perhaps a flood.  To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to
> problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your
> controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe).
>
> Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not
> missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-)
>
> TIA
>
> Cheers
>
>
>


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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Russ Michaels

Dunno if anyone has suggested it yet, but give spinrite a try, it is very
cheap and can do a good job of recovery data.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Bobby Hartsfield wrote:

>
> There are alot of response to this thread and i didn't read them all yet
> yet... but if you tried multiple computers and have the same issue, my only
> other suggestion is to take it apart to get the actual drive out and try to
> put it in another enclosure.
>
> You have a 50/50 chance of the issue just being a busted chip/transistor or
> something on the SATA to USB board. You may even open it up and see the
> problem with a disconnected piece or possibly a black spot on the board.
>
> Being something like that doesn't mean the drive isn't bad too now, but
> there is always that chance that the drive is fine. I've been that lucky
> more than once.
>
> Once you do get all of your stuff back... get some offsite storage/backup!
> I
> believe Picasa has free unlimited storage now that Google+ is out.
>
> Great place to start with your images :-)
>
>
> .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
>
>
> So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some
> suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:
>
> I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
> pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
> mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
> into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
> PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
> drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
> no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
> the drives need to be formatted.
>
> I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each
> one.  When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
> partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I
> looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct
> size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It
> does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.
>
> I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I
> can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't
> know where to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but
> got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard
> drive, or if it does I don't know where to look.  (now would probably be
> a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux).
>
> So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions
> on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see
> the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to
> do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).
>
> I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Cobb
> http://www.cfgears.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Bobby Hartsfield

There are alot of response to this thread and i didn't read them all yet
yet... but if you tried multiple computers and have the same issue, my only
other suggestion is to take it apart to get the actual drive out and try to
put it in another enclosure.

You have a 50/50 chance of the issue just being a busted chip/transistor or
something on the SATA to USB board. You may even open it up and see the
problem with a disconnected piece or possibly a black spot on the board.

Being something like that doesn't mean the drive isn't bad too now, but
there is always that chance that the drive is fine. I've been that lucky
more than once.

Once you do get all of your stuff back... get some offsite storage/backup! I
believe Picasa has free unlimited storage now that Google+ is out.

Great place to start with your images :-)


.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
http://cf4em.com




-Original Message-
From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive


So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some
suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:

I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
the drives need to be formatted.  

I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each
one.  When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I
looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct
size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It
does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.  

I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I
can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't
know where to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but
got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard
drive, or if it does I don't know where to look.  (now would probably be
a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux).  

So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions
on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see
the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to
do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).

I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.

Thanks,

Eric Cobb
http://www.cfgears.com






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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Maureen

If you absolutely must have the data, there are several excellent data
recovery companies, but as someone else mentioned, they are costly.
I've use Drive Savers in Novato, CA
http://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/ and Disk Doctors in Norcross,
GA http://www.diskdoctors.com/ with great success.  Working as I do in
film and media, I have frequent instances of clients messing up their
data storage, so having these companies on call is very helpful.  Both
will give you an estimate before they do the recovery so you can
decide if you feel the investment is worth it.  Drive Savers really
bailed me out last summer when someone sabotaged my computers and my
backup drives.  I have redundant storage both on-site and in the cloud
now.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Eric Cobb  wrote:

> So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions
> on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see
> the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to
> do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).
>
> I appreciate any suggestions anyone may hav

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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Jacob

Key to a good backup strategy, have three copies... your primary copy and
two backups.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:21 AM
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>>. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.

+1

They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed
nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single
point of failure.

Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups
and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both
local and off site.

G!

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

> . Most
> cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
>



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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Jacob

I use Carbonite, on top of my "first" backup.  $55 well spent.

For most people, they will do their own backup for a while then stop.  With
Carbonite, it is in the background and you do not have to worry about it.

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:58 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive


Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial for
it over the weekend for the 1st time.

Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e.
the cloud) was the repository??

If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?

The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case
of say a fire at home (where you may not have  a fire safe)...or perhaps a
flood.  To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a
kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be
safe from your own kids...hehe).

Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not
missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-)

TIA

Cheers


On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 09:45 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:

> Send it to a data-recovery lab.  ($$$)
> 
> And then use Carbonite...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
> 
> 
> So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some 
> suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:
> 
> I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to 
> store pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial 
> documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive 
> partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" 
> drives on the PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and 
> pulled the hard drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive 
> back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives.  
> Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted.
> 
> I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each 
> one.  When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
> partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I 
> looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct 
> size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It 
> does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.
> 
> I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I 
> can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I 
> don't know where to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu 
> instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see 
> the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look.  (now 
> would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about
Linux).
> 
> So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions 
> on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see 
> the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how 
> to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).
> 
> I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric Cobb
> http://www.cfgears.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Jacob

http://services.seagate.com/diysoftware.aspx

I have had luck using this in the past. You can try the demo version first.

Jacob

-Original Message-
From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive


So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some
suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:

I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s,
code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned into 2
equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the PC.  Last
week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the
desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any
of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that the drives need to be
formatted.  

I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one.
When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I
looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size,
but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It does this
on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.  

I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't
even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where
to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same
results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does
I don't know where to look.  (now would probably be a good time to mention
that I don't know squat about Linux).  

So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions on
what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive
that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan
on doing some serious googling tonight).

I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.

Thanks,

Eric Cobb
http://www.cfgears.com






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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Gerald Guido

>>It's that "in theory at least" part that keeps me away ;-)

Ditto, that is why I keep a local copy(s) of my back up in-house and then
back that up to "the cloud". Really, it is a numbers game. Nothing is
impossible but it is highly improbable that both local and cloud will fail
at the same time.

G!

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Bryan Stevenson <
br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:

>
> It's that "in theory at least" part that keeps me away ;-)
>
> +1 for backing up backups!
>
> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:21 -0400, Gerald Guido wrote:
>
> > >>. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> > protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed
> > nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no
> single
> > point of failure.
> >
> > Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back
> ups
> > and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data;
> both
> > local and off site.
> >
> > G!
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:
> >
> > > . Most
> > > cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> > > protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Roger Austin

 Bryan Stevenson  wrote: 
> 
> Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial
> for it over the weekend for the 1st time.
> 
> Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
> (i.e. the cloud) was the repository??
> 
> If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?
> 
> The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in
> case of say a fire at home (where you may not have  a fire safe)...or
> perhaps a flood.  To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to
> problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your
> controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe).

The "cloud" is one way to backup. The advantage to it is that it can be 
set up to work independently and automatically. You can also set up local 
media to do the same or use some sort of removable media and store off-site.

The easiest way to backup means you are more likely to do it. In that way, 
a cloud backup may be the easiest after it is set up. Restores also should 
be thought out since restoring large backups could be an issue in a pinch.

The only thing that I backup are files I can't reproduce like photo files or 
old email I have POPed off the server. There are also a few other files that 
I have created and are not on a server somewhere. I archive photos semiannually 
to DVDs and CDs and store them in a safe deposit box. I also have them on 
a disk locally. I backup my files to a separate disk semi-automatically in 
case of hard disk failure.

The bigger issue for me is the loss of a working environment if a laptop or 
desktop image goes mental. In that case, cloning a drive may be an idea. It 
takes forever to get back to work if you lose a development environment.

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Dave Watts

> Yes, it's storage in their datacenters.  I'd not sure if they are using
> someone else's cloud or their own storage.

Most seem to rely on either Amazon or Rackspace, and they simply
provide more friendly front-ends to S3.

> As a first level, I have a ReadyNAS RAID device configured to do Time
> Machine backups.  This runs hourly as a minimum.  If a drive fails in the
> ReadyNAS, you can hot-swap and rebuild it.  If two fail, or the entire
> device is crushed by an angry Sasquatch, you'd need a second level of
> protection.

... or the mainboard on your NAS unit fails - most of us don't keep a
spare lying about. I have a four-drive array with a failure tolerance
of two drives, and two spare drives behind my desk, and I still think
that's more likely to be a SPOF than cloud storage.

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Dave Watts

> I do of course know the marketing message behind such services, but it
> just takes  a stupid tech having a bad day and your day suddenly gets
> really bad ;-)

You've never been a stupid tech having a bad day yourself? I know I
have. And sometimes that leads to funny stories, which I won't go into
here.

But many cloud services again have levels of redundancy that protect
them from the individual bad days of stupid techs usually. It would
take multiple stupid techs having really bad days in most cases. Not
that this couldn't happen, of course, but to me, storage and email are
things that work very well as utility services - they are likely to be
more efficient and more reliable than me doing the same thing, in the
same way that I'd rather rely on the power company than run my own
generator 24/7 (although I might want a generator for outages).

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson

It's that "in theory at least" part that keeps me away ;-)

+1 for backing up backups!

On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:21 -0400, Gerald Guido wrote:

> >>. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
> 
> +1
> 
> They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed
> nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single
> point of failure.
> 
> Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups
> and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both
> local and off site.
> 
> G!
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:
> 
> > . Most
> > cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> > protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Great info Cameron...thanks!

On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:12 -0400, Cameron Childress wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson <
> br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
> > (i.e. the cloud) was the repository??
> >
> 
> Yes, it's storage in their datacenters.  I'd not sure if they are using
> someone else's cloud or their own storage.
> 
>  If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?
> >
> 
> Carbonite encrypts all the data before it leaves your computer.  By default
> they mange the crypto keys for you, but you can configure it to use your own
> key that they won't have.
> 
> 
> > Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not
> > missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-)
> 
> 
> As a first level, I have a ReadyNAS RAID device configured to do Time
> Machine backups.  This runs hourly as a minimum.  If a drive fails in the
> ReadyNAS, you can hot-swap and rebuild it.  If two fail, or the entire
> device is crushed by an angry Sasquatch, you'd need a second level of
> protection.
> 
> At a second level, that's where something like Carbonite comes in.
> 
> -Cameron
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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Thanks Dave

I do of course know the marketing message behind such services, but it
just takes  a stupid tech having a bad day and your day suddenly gets
really bad ;-)

For that reason alone I can't ever see using it as a primary
backup...but hey...that's me!

Cheers

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> 
> I use Google Docs for storing documents, and I feel far more confident
> in that than any physical storage that I use as a backup to that. Most
> cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
> 
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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Dave Watts

> > Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> > protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
>
> +1
>
> They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed
> nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single
> point of failure.

Yes, absolutely. Of course, you need to ensure that you purchase the
correct options - some providers have different levels of redundancy,
etc. But I feel much more confident that Google won't lose my data
than that I won't lose it. And I have some pretty good local
redundancy practices.

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Gerald Guido

>>. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.

+1

They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed
nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single
point of failure.

Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups
and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both
local and off site.

G!

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

> . Most
> cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
> protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.
>



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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial
for it over the weekend for the 1st time.

Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
(i.e. the cloud) was the repository??

If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?

The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in
case of say a fire at home (where you may not have  a fire safe)...or
perhaps a flood.  To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to
problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your
controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe).

Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not
missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-)

TIA

Cheers


On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 09:45 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:

> Send it to a data-recovery lab.  ($$$)
> 
> And then use Carbonite...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
> 
> 
> So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some
> suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:
> 
> I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
> pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
> mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
> into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
> PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
> drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
> no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
> the drives need to be formatted.  
> 
> I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each
> one.  When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
> partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I
> looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct
> size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It
> does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.  
> 
> I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I
> can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't
> know where to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but
> got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard
> drive, or if it does I don't know where to look.  (now would probably be
> a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux).  
> 
> So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions
> on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see
> the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to
> do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).
> 
> I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric Cobb
> http://www.cfgears.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Cameron Childress

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson <
br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:

> Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
> (i.e. the cloud) was the repository??
>

Yes, it's storage in their datacenters.  I'd not sure if they are using
someone else's cloud or their own storage.

 If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?
>

Carbonite encrypts all the data before it leaves your computer.  By default
they mange the crypto keys for you, but you can configure it to use your own
key that they won't have.


> Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not
> missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-)


As a first level, I have a ReadyNAS RAID device configured to do Time
Machine backups.  This runs hourly as a minimum.  If a drive fails in the
ReadyNAS, you can hot-swap and rebuild it.  If two fail, or the entire
device is crushed by an angry Sasquatch, you'd need a second level of
protection.

At a second level, that's where something like Carbonite comes in.

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Dave Watts

> Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online
> (i.e. the cloud) was the repository??
>
> If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a  safe backup solution?
>
> The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in
> case of say a fire at home (where you may not have  a fire safe)...or
> perhaps a flood.  To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to
> problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your
> controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe).

I use Google Docs for storing documents, and I feel far more confident
in that than any physical storage that I use as a backup to that. Most
cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other
protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware.

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Dave Watts

> I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
> pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
> mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
> into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
> PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
> drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
> no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
> the drives need to be formatted.

Gerald's suggestion has worked for me (more than once). Usually, the
thing that gets screwed up first is the enclosure and its connector.

Once you do that, you should consider ... more robust alternatives to
using a single drive.

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RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Rick Faircloth

Send it to a data-recovery lab.  ($$$)

And then use Carbonite...


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive


So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some
suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:

I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
the drives need to be formatted.  

I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each
one.  When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I
looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct
size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It
does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.  

I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I
can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't
know where to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but
got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard
drive, or if it does I don't know where to look.  (now would probably be
a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux).  

So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions
on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see
the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to
do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).

I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.

Thanks,

Eric Cobb
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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Gerald Guido

Had a similar experience with a WD that started clicking. I could not access
the drive. I took it out of the enclosure and stuck it in my desktop and I
was able to access the drive long enough to retrieve my data.

YMMV but it is worth a shot.

HTH. Good luck.

G!

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Eric Cobb  wrote:

>
> So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some
> suggestions to help me figure this out.  Here's my situation:
>
> I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
> pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
> mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
> into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
> PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
> drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
> no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
> the drives need to be formatted.
>
> I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each
> one.  When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the "F" and "G"
> partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them.  I
> looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct
> size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data.  It
> does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7.
>
> I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I
> can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't
> know where to look.  I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but
> got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard
> drive, or if it does I don't know where to look.  (now would probably be
> a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux).
>
> So, that's my predicament.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions
> on what to try?  I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see
> the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to
> do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight).
>
> I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Cobb
> http://www.cfgears.com
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive

2011-08-29 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Eric Cobb  wrote:

> I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store
> pretty much everything.  All of our pictures, financial documents,
> mp3s, code repositories, everything.  I have the hard drive partitioned
> into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the "F" and "G" drives on the
> PC.  Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard
> drive off of the desk.  When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could
> no longer access any of the data on the drives.  Windows is saying that
> the drives need to be formatted.
>



This happened to one of my external drives when it dropped off my desk
(still plugged in to power outlet) 2tb drive was dead after that 3 foot drop
:-(


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