RE: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-16 Thread Hugo Ahlenius

Has anyone tested CloudFlare with CF?
http://www.cloudflare.com/ 

>From the description it sounds like a CDN-light, with a free option.

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Hugo

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Jason Fisher

In that situation specifically I cannot recommend Amazon S3 + CloudFront 
more.  It's been truly outstanding for us.  We set up separate S3 "buckets" 
for each of our CMS websites and CloudFront takes care of the edge 
distribution.  As someone else has already noted, you can mount an S3 
bucket as a mapped network drive in ColdFusion, so that 
s3:\\mys3bucket.mydomain.com is usable like any other network drive for 
file and directory operations.  Great stuff.



From: "Donnie Carvajal" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:22 AM
To: "cf-talk" 
Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion

Hi,

Thanks for all of the responses. We are indeed trying to find another 
solution for having mirrored sites that we would have to manage.  We have 
5,000 CMS clients on the system and that is a ton of files (images, 
documents, css, etc.) to mirror, so a CDN seems like a better fit, but then 
that leaves the Coldfusion generated content.  We are trying to determine 
if it would be better (cost vs. management headaches) to use the CDN to 
distribute the ColdFusion content as well or mirror.

Donnie 



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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

> I think what your describing is more of mirrored servers than a Content
> Delivery Network. Mirrored servers are a completely different story, he
> could use mirrored servers if he doesn't mind spending that kind of money.

Well, typically these aren't just mirrored servers. By using edge
servers deployed on a CDNs internal network, those servers are
physically closer to regional users. And they typically don't just
have a copy of whatever's on your central cluster - they have a
simplified version, or chunk-based caching, etc, etc.

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Gerald Guido

Ditto. +1 for CloudFront .

You can also use CloudFront in conjunction with S3. You can talk to S3 using
CFFile and CFDirectory (with CF9) much like it was a local file system.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSd160b5fdf5100e8f-4439fdac128193edfd6-7f0a.html

G!


On Jun 15, 2011 11:13 AM, "Jason Fisher"  wrote:
>
> +1 for CloudFront on Amazon S3.
>
> 
>
> From: "Paul Alkema" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM
> To: "cf-talk" 
> Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion
>
> Oh yeah! Something else just mentioning is that if your not hooked on
> Akamai
> as your CDN, I've found Amazon CloudFront to be reliable and relatively
> inexpensive. : )
> http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/
>
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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Donnie Carvajal

Hi,

Thanks for all of the responses. We are indeed trying to find another solution 
for having mirrored sites that we would have to manage.  We have 5,000 CMS 
clients on the system and that is a ton of files (images, documents, css, etc.) 
to mirror, so a CDN seems like a better fit, but then that leaves the 
Coldfusion generated content.  We are trying to determine if it would be better 
(cost vs. management headaches) to use the CDN to distribute the ColdFusion 
content as well or mirror.

Donnie 

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RE: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Edward Chanter

I've experimented with Railo on Amazon's Elastic Beanstalk, connect that to
an Amazon DB instance and you've got your distributed CF. Host images and
other media in an Amazon EC3 bucket and you've got your CDN. Don't run one
of their SQL Server Windows instances or you might as well just give Amazon
your credit card, the rest you can probably get as part of the free tier so
it shouldn't cost too much :)

There's an excellent how-to blog here if you want to get railo running on
elastic beanstalk
http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm/railo-on-aws-elastic-beanstalk


> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Alkema [mailto:paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 15 June 2011 16:00
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion
> 
> 
> I think what your describing is more of mirrored servers than a Content
> Delivery Network. Mirrored servers are a completely different story, he
> could use mirrored servers if he doesn't mind spending that kind of money.
> 
> I prefer CDN's. Cheaper, almost as effective and easier to maintain.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
> 
> >
> > > From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and
> > > distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a
> > > capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a
> > > mirrored server.
> >
> > CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated.
> > You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database
> > replication, etc, etc.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > http://training.figleaf.com/
> >
> > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA
> > Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
> >
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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Jason Fisher

+1 for CloudFront on Amazon S3.



From: "Paul Alkema" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM
To: "cf-talk" 
Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion

Oh yeah! Something else just mentioning is that if your not hooked on 
Akamai
as your CDN, I've found Amazon CloudFront to be reliable and relatively
inexpensive. : )
http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Russ Michaels

You could possibly do it using NOSQL or similar.
What I have done in the past is simply have round robin DNS pointing to 3
locations with 3 copies of the content.
Or you can have a redirection system that chooses ww1, ww2 or ww3 as the
domain to grab the content from.
which is pretty much how CDN works, they give you the scripts that do this
for you.
.


On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Matthew Williams
wrote:

>
> Or use screen scrapes... which is what I think one of your FED based
> clients uses ;).  I'm not 100% on that, as I tried to stay as far away
> as humanly possible from that part of the deployment.
>
>
> Matthew Williams
> Geodesic GraFX
> www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog
>
> On 6/15/2011 10:52 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
> > CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated.
> > You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database
> > replication, etc, etc.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > http://training.figleaf.com/
> >
> > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
> >
>
>
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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Matthew Williams

Or use screen scrapes... which is what I think one of your FED based 
clients uses ;).  I'm not 100% on that, as I tried to stay as far away 
as humanly possible from that part of the deployment.


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www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog

On 6/15/2011 10:52 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
> CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated.
> You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database
> replication, etc, etc.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Alkema

I think what your describing is more of mirrored servers than a Content
Delivery Network. Mirrored servers are a completely different story, he
could use mirrored servers if he doesn't mind spending that kind of money.

I prefer CDN's. Cheaper, almost as effective and easier to maintain.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and
> > distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a
> > capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored
> > server.
>
> CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated.
> You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database
> replication, etc, etc.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>
> 

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

> From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and
> distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a
> capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored
> server.

CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated.
You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database
replication, etc, etc.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Alkema

Oh yeah! Something else just mentioning is that if your not hooked on Akamai
as your CDN, I've found Amazon CloudFront to be reliable and relatively
inexpensive. : )
http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-15 Thread Paul Alkema

Hi Donnie,
First off, let me just say I'm no CDN expert but have used CDN's several
times and am fairly familiar with them.

>From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and
distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a
capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored
server.

CDN's are for distributing content like images, css, javascript and any
other client based content. One thing worth mentioning though, is that
(according to yahoo***) an average of 80% of the front end load time is
spent loading what a CDN is capable of distributing. Also, when your server
is far away from your client user, the client based content will be slower
however the server response time won't slow down.

IE; if a page take 5 seconds to load from china and 2 seconds from the US,
the server response time will be the same for both users. It is the time
taken to load the client content like images and css that will slow the load
time, not the server response. Make sense?

***http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Donnie Carvajal <
donnie.carva...@transformyx.com> wrote:

>
> Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the
> actual content is distributed, not just images and documents?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Donnie
>
> 

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-14 Thread Dave Watts

> Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the 
> actual content is distributed, not just images and documents?

Yes. We have several clients using Akamai with CF applications. They
have a few different approaches for dealing with dynamically-generated
content.

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-14 Thread Wil Genovese

I know using a CDN can be done - a former client of my ran their CFM powered 
eComm site through a CDN service.  I have no clue how it was setup though.


Wil Genovese
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Systems Administrator
CF Webtools
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On Jun 14, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:

> 
> Oh greatat technical acronym is the same as our Canadian curency
> abbreviation - CDN
> 
> I've worked with many Canadiansbut not like Akamai ;-)
> 
> OK...I'm done
> 
> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 17:17 -0400, Donnie Carvajal wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the 
>> actual content is distributed, not just images and documents?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Donnie 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: CDN and Coldfusion

2011-06-14 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Oh greatat technical acronym is the same as our Canadian curency
abbreviation - CDN

I've worked with many Canadiansbut not like Akamai ;-)

OK...I'm done

On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 17:17 -0400, Donnie Carvajal wrote:

> Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the 
> actual content is distributed, not just images and documents?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Donnie 
> 
> 

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