RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
Jim,
With the ColdFusion MX 7 ear/war deployment, you can precompile and
preconfigure your application and deploy them across the whole enterprise. And
since they are packages like the J2EE admins expect, they don't have to know
beans about CF.
The only item in the WebSphere cluster we don't do is the "vertical"
clustering, where multiple instances of CF share the same *filesystem*.
Because we write configuration stuff to the disk (and other things like mail)
the instances stomp on each other.
But on the whole, ColdFusion MX works very nicely on WebSphere. It goes *real*
fast and scales well too. One of the reasons for moving CF to Java was to give
people like yourself ("We only do WebSphere here") a fully supported path to
move their CF apps on to the corporate mandated infrastructure.
Hope that helps.
--
Tom Jordahl
Macromedia Server Development
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
>
> I've dealt with that. The problem is that CFMX Admin doesn't propagate
> changes across the WebSphere cluster. Other than that, it's robust.
>
> What we did was make all the changes in CFMX's neo-*.xml files, and just
> used a script to copy those across the cluster. Much better than opening
> CFMX admin on all nodes!
>
> This worked with 30 to 90 instances of CFMX in our cluster (WAS v5.0 ND
> and v5.1 ND).
>
> Chris Norloff
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:59:35 -0400
>
> >Are you using Session variables?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:22 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
> >
> >We're (finally!) considering upgrading our largeish collection of CF 4.5
> apps to CF 7.
> >
> >The enterprise architecture is WebSphere on AIX. Our current CF apps
> would cost too much to convert to pure JSP/Java but are all hosted on NT 4
> which we've only been able to bribe MS to support through the end of the
> year.
> >
> >So, an option is to deploy our CF apps to WebSphere. However (there's
> always a "but" even if it's a "however") I'm getting challenged on it's
> scalability and deployment options because of the following CF
> requirement/limitation (from Macromedia):
> >
> >"IBM WebSphere Application Server ââ?¬â?? Network Deployment, Version
> 5.0, 5.0.2, 5.1 Non-Clustered, Single Server Only (Vertical and horizontal
> clustering not supported. Use of the Network Deployment console for
> deployment of ColdFusion applications is also not supported.)"
> >
> >Anybody have any insight into this? I know that CF will scale vertically
> (via multiple instances) and horizontally across machines - what exactly
> are they talking about here?
> >
> >Is there any way around this issue?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jim Davis
> >
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RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
> Are you using Session variables? Yes - sometimes. This server represents in the neighborhood of 40-60 small (and a few not so small) applications. Some use session variables, some don't. Many are grouped under single application names, some don't even use the application framework. Some apps truly and honestly suck (direct ports from CF 2.0 code for example) and others are quite elegant. All told it's a motely, motely crew. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:205011 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
>What do you mean by "IBM's tacit support for CF"? IBM discontinued their >reseller agreement for ColdFusion in Sept 2004. From their web site: >"Macromedia ColdFusion MX for IBM WebSphere has been discontinued". Here's >the link: > >http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/downloads/cfmxsupport.html > >New Atlanta is an IBM business partner, BlueDragon is certified on a number >of different systems, and we've done a number of joint sales calls with IBM >(for BlueDragon on WebSphere) specifically because of this issue with >Network Deployment clusters. Sounds promising. Personally I've no preference one way or the other - I've only ever used CF, but BD does everything I need CF to do (especailly with these apps). It looks there there may definately be room here - the quote I got from our Architect is: "we do websphere stuff over here... we'll do other technologies (CF on websphere, CF on Blue Dragon, CF on Puff the Magic Dragon, CF on Crack) whatever you folks want... just be aware we have to build training, all the time it takes to gain expertise, consulting etc into the SOW and Scope Document" (Our architects are very good but know naught of the shift key or punctunation.) ;^) >And, yes, the upgrade should be quick and painless. Plus, you can then take >advantage of new features such as CFCs and Web Services, and integration >with JSPs and the underlying Java/J2EE platform. Too true. I've personally been using CF 6.1 for a long while now, but have never been able to convince the enterprise. >Again, let me know if you'd like to arrange a conference call to discuss >this in more detail. I very well might early next week. I'll drop you a line. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:205006 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
What do you mean by "IBM's tacit support for CF"? IBM discontinued their reseller agreement for ColdFusion in Sept 2004. From their web site: "Macromedia ColdFusion MX for IBM WebSphere has been discontinued". Here's the link: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/downloads/cfmxsupport.html New Atlanta is an IBM business partner, BlueDragon is certified on a number of different systems, and we've done a number of joint sales calls with IBM (for BlueDragon on WebSphere) specifically because of this issue with Network Deployment clusters. And, yes, the upgrade should be quick and painless. Plus, you can then take advantage of new features such as CFCs and Web Services, and integration with JSPs and the underlying Java/J2EE platform. Again, let me know if you'd like to arrange a conference call to discuss this in more detail. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:55 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering? > > > The best way around this issue is to run BlueDragon/J2EE, > which fully > > supports vertical and horizontal clustering in WebSphere Network > > Deployment configurations. > > > > Let me know if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. > > > > Vince Bonfanti > > http://blog.newatlanta.com > > Perhaps - but right now people here are skittish as all hell > about ANY upgrade to CF and the only thing that's tentatively > holding them to it is IBM's tacit support of CF. > > They're really pushing us to abandon CF altogether... but I > want to get one more good upgrade out the process. ;^) > > Still - I float the idea - it can't hurt! And considering > our current apps are 4.5 I suspect without investigating that > BD will proably support them immediately out of the box. > > Jim > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204997 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
> The best way around this issue is to run BlueDragon/J2EE, which fully > supports vertical and horizontal clustering in WebSphere Network > Deployment configurations. > > Let me know if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. > > Vince Bonfanti > http://blog.newatlanta.com Perhaps - but right now people here are skittish as all hell about ANY upgrade to CF and the only thing that's tentatively holding them to it is IBM's tacit support of CF. They're really pushing us to abandon CF altogether... but I want to get one more good upgrade out the process. ;^) Still - I float the idea - it can't hurt! And considering our current apps are 4.5 I suspect without investigating that BD will proably support them immediately out of the box. Jim ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204993 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
I've dealt with that. The problem is that CFMX Admin doesn't propagate changes across the WebSphere cluster. Other than that, it's robust. What we did was make all the changes in CFMX's neo-*.xml files, and just used a script to copy those across the cluster. Much better than opening CFMX admin on all nodes! This worked with 30 to 90 instances of CFMX in our cluster (WAS v5.0 ND and v5.1 ND). Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:59:35 -0400 >Are you using Session variables? > >-Original Message- >From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:22 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering? > >We're (finally!) considering upgrading our largeish collection of CF 4.5 apps >to CF 7. > >The enterprise architecture is WebSphere on AIX. Our current CF apps would >cost too much to convert to pure JSP/Java but are all hosted on NT 4 which >we've only been able to bribe MS to support through the end of the year. > >So, an option is to deploy our CF apps to WebSphere. However (there's always >a "but" even if it's a "however") I'm getting challenged on it's scalability >and deployment options because of the following CF requirement/limitation >(from Macromedia): > >"IBM WebSphere Application Server ââ?¬â?? Network Deployment, Version 5.0, >5.0.2, 5.1 Non-Clustered, Single Server Only (Vertical and horizontal >clustering not supported. Use of the Network Deployment console for deployment >of ColdFusion applications is also not supported.)" > >Anybody have any insight into this? I know that CF will scale vertically (via >multiple instances) and horizontally across machines - what exactly are they >talking about here? > >Is there any way around this issue? > >Thanks, > >Jim Davis > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204993 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
Are you using Session variables? -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering? We're (finally!) considering upgrading our largeish collection of CF 4.5 apps to CF 7. The enterprise architecture is WebSphere on AIX. Our current CF apps would cost too much to convert to pure JSP/Java but are all hosted on NT 4 which we've only been able to bribe MS to support through the end of the year. So, an option is to deploy our CF apps to WebSphere. However (there's always a "but" even if it's a "however") I'm getting challenged on it's scalability and deployment options because of the following CF requirement/limitation (from Macromedia): "IBM WebSphere Application Server – Network Deployment, Version 5.0, 5.0.2, 5.1 Non-Clustered, Single Server Only (Vertical and horizontal clustering not supported. Use of the Network Deployment console for deployment of ColdFusion applications is also not supported.)" Anybody have any insight into this? I know that CF will scale vertically (via multiple instances) and horizontally across machines - what exactly are they talking about here? Is there any way around this issue? Thanks, Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204980 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering?
The best way around this issue is to run BlueDragon/J2EE, which fully supports vertical and horizontal clustering in WebSphere Network Deployment configurations. Let me know if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CF 7 on WebSphere - what's the beef with Clustering? > > We're (finally!) considering upgrading our largeish > collection of CF 4.5 apps to CF 7. > > The enterprise architecture is WebSphere on AIX. Our current > CF apps would cost too much to convert to pure JSP/Java but > are all hosted on NT 4 which we've only been able to bribe MS > to support through the end of the year. > > So, an option is to deploy our CF apps to WebSphere. However > (there's always a "but" even if it's a "however") I'm getting > challenged on it's scalability and deployment options because > of the following CF requirement/limitation (from Macromedia): > > "IBM WebSphere Application Server – Network Deployment, > Version 5.0, 5.0.2, 5.1 Non-Clustered, Single Server Only > (Vertical and horizontal clustering not supported. Use of the > Network Deployment console for deployment of ColdFusion > applications is also not supported.)" > > Anybody have any insight into this? I know that CF will > scale vertically (via multiple instances) and horizontally > across machines - what exactly are they talking about here? > > Is there any way around this issue? > > Thanks, > > Jim Davis > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204970 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
