Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 23:45 pm, Mauricio Giraldo wrote: I don't think that analogy quite fits considering Linux is the most deployed OS for web servers currently and is slated to be the most deployed server OS in general within 5 years. I mean the Linux + CF Combo... That would be a stick-driven Renault 21... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
Hi Mauricio, Just to give you another ISP's perspective, we have offerred self-service setup of ColdFusion mappings through our control panel for years. The only security limitations enforced by the application are largely common-sense: 1.) Restrict the target of a mapping to the customer's respective web directories; 2.) Prohibit creation of mappings already in use by another customer/website; 3.) Prohibit creation of mappings already in use by our company, including system-critical mappings, like, /. Nothing too scary here. I hope this is helpful to you. Dave -- David M. Delbridge Circa 3000 ColdFusion Hosting http://www.circa3k.com 775-832-2445 Mauricio Giraldo wrote: My host denies me mappings for security reasons. I also have no idea how a mapping could be insecure (not a security expert). My apps do need mappings and I end up with sleepless nights trying to make the darn thing work without them (CFCs, Flash Remoting, CFINCLUDES... they tend to break without them) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
We run a Linux / CF Hosting Company and always grant mappings. Have been doing so for years. I know of no security issues with doing so. -- Josh Trefethen Exciteworks, Inc http://exciteworks.com -Original Message- From: Mauricio Giraldo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? I'm not sure what the downside is to creating a mapping, apart from the small amount of time required to do it. Are there any security issues that I don't know about? Anyone know of security issues that arise when using CF mappings in a shared server Linux environment? - mga ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
-Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? I don't think there are many applications that REQUIRE a mapping, because there are usually several ways to do anything. If you can't use a mapping, you can usually use relative links or some other way around. But using a mapping sure makes many things simpler. 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create them for you as needed? I've had my system on a host where they simply didn't allow any changes whatever to the default setup- don't ask, the answer's no whatever your question, also on a system where they didn't have a clue how to do it (yes they were that dumb) and my present system where they're most obliging, and willing to do everything I've asked of them so far. I can testify that being able to have a mapping makes life a LOT easier, specially when it comes to thinks like CFCs and includes and other ways to reuse code. 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? I'm not sure what the downside is to creating a mapping, apart from the small amount of time required to do it. Are there any security issues that I don't know about? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? I don't think there are many applications that REQUIRE a mapping, because there are usually several ways to do anything. If you can't use a mapping, you can usually use relative links or some other way around. But using a mapping sure makes many things simpler. I was specifically asking about your own applications' use of CF mappings, and your experiences with ISPs with respect to them setting up (or refusing to setup) the CF mappings you need. Any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
I've done support for CFXHosting since day one and I've never refused a mapping to any customer and we have never had a problem caused by a mapping. Maybe I'm uneducated as to why a mapping could be dangrous but I've never heard of it and trust me, I've been with CF at it's worst :-) Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you want complete ColdFusion Administrator access? RDS? Terminal Server?- CFX-Advanced VPS - http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create them for you as needed? 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? Thanks for any personal insight you can give me on this. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
We have an in-house server, but we generally do not have the ability to request a server mapping. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create them for you as needed? 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? Thanks for any personal insight you can give me on this. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
I wasn't suggesting that they were anything negative in any way. Just wondering about ISP policies regarding them and developers' use of them in general. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! - Original Message - From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? I've done support for CFXHosting since day one and I've never refused a mapping to any customer and we have never had a problem caused by a mapping. Maybe I'm uneducated as to why a mapping could be dangrous but I've never heard of it and trust me, I've been with CF at it's worst :-) Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you want complete ColdFusion Administrator access? RDS? Terminal Server?- CFX-Advanced VPS - http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create them for you as needed? 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? Thanks for any personal insight you can give me on this. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
Good! I thought maybe I was overlooking things all this time. Lol -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? I wasn't suggesting that they were anything negative in any way. Just wondering about ISP policies regarding them and developers' use of them in general. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! - Original Message - From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? I've done support for CFXHosting since day one and I've never refused a mapping to any customer and we have never had a problem caused by a mapping. Maybe I'm uneducated as to why a mapping could be dangrous but I've never heard of it and trust me, I've been with CF at it's worst :-) Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you want complete ColdFusion Administrator access? RDS? Terminal Server?- CFX-Advanced VPS - http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create them for you as needed? 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? Thanks for any personal insight you can give me on this. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
If any developer asked for a mapping, I'd create it while they were on the phone. Although we are pretty small and know just about every CF developer who uses our servers, so we tend to be fairly trusting. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:41:46 PM, you wrote: AC I wasn't suggesting that they were anything negative in any way. Just AC wondering about ISP policies regarding them and developers' use of them in AC general. AC Respectfully, AC Adam Phillip Churvis AC Member of Team Macromedia AC Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training AC ColdFusion MX Master Class: AC September 22 - 26, 2003 AC http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com AC Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from AC http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com AC The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! AC - Original Message - AC From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] AC To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] AC Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:34 PM AC Subject: RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? I've done support for CFXHosting since day one and I've never refused a mapping to any customer and we have never had a problem caused by a mapping. Maybe I'm uneducated as to why a mapping could be dangrous but I've never heard of it and trust me, I've been with CF at it's worst :-) Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you want complete ColdFusion Administrator access? RDS? Terminal Server?- CFX-Advanced VPS - http://www.cfxhosting.com/Plans/s_cfxadvancedVPS.cfm -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create them for you as needed? 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? Thanks for any personal insight you can give me on this. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training ColdFusion MX Master Class: September 22 - 26, 2003 http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! AC ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
Who is this host? I want to know who to avoid. I'd love to hear them explain how a mapping is a security risk. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Mauricio Giraldo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? My host denies me mappings for security reasons. I also have no idea how a mapping could be insecure (not a security expert). My apps do need mappings and I end up with sleepless nights trying to make the darn thing work without them (CFCs, Flash Remoting, CFINCLUDES... they tend to break without them) I suppose it is because they host under Linux. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
I suppose it is because they host under Linux. And what does that have to do with CF mappings? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
I dunno... but I feel like the weird kid in the block whose dad got the Renault when everyone has a Ford or a Chrysler. When I mention they have Linux, the List goes silent :( I don't think that analogy quite fits considering Linux is the most deployed OS for web servers currently and is slated to be the most deployed server OS in general within 5 years. I know some people are anti-change, but the IT industry requires embracing change, so my advice is to learn Linux now before you are too far behind. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
LOL! Anyhow, the fact that you're on Linux has no bearing on the BS they're sending you. - Original Message - From: Mauricio Giraldo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 5, 2003 4:08 pm Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? And what does that have to do with CF mappings? I dunno... but I feel like the weird kid in the block whose dad got the Renault when everyone has a Ford or a Chrysler. When I mention they have Linux, the List goes silent :( - mga ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
We gladly apply the mappings the client needs. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? | If I could impose a bit, I could use y'alls help here: | | 1) Do your applications typically require a CF mapping? | | 2) How do your ISPs handle requests to create ColdFusion mappings for the | applications you host with them? Do they refuse outright, or do they create | them for you as needed? | | 3) If you work for or operate an ISP, what are your preferences with respect | to your customers' use of CF mappings in their code? | | Thanks for any personal insight you can give me on this. | | Respectfully, | | Adam Phillip Churvis | Member of Team Macromedia | | Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training | ColdFusion MX Master Class: | September 22 - 26, 2003 | http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com | | Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from | http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com | | The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now! | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?
We support both Linux and Windows - and CF works the same way on both == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Mauricio Giraldo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings? | And what does that have to do with CF mappings? | | I dunno... but I feel like the weird kid in the block whose dad got the Renault when everyone has a Ford or a Chrysler. When I mention they have Linux, the List goes silent :( | | - mga | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
