Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
too bad you can't read! But you REALLY like the pictures ;) ~Dave the disruptor~ From: Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta I must admit, I have a special rack for my WACK right beside the commode. It's even marked "CFWACK". If anyone touches, removes, or defaces it, they shall suffer a horrendous fate! I have a sign posting that as well. :) Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206467 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
I must admit, I have a special rack for my WACK right beside the commode. It's even marked "CFWACK". If anyone touches, removes, or defaces it, they shall suffer a horrendous fate! I have a sign posting that as well. :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206461 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
I can tell. I've seen your code!! Doh!!! j/k Connie. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Connie DeCinko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > Mine is put to good use... Holding up my printer. > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206458 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
haha. Same here. I have an HP iPaq that I take with me everywhere so I can relate. ;o) I just try to forget it every so often so that it reminds me of the days before the Internet & cell phones. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > no shit. really? wow. i was wondering :) > > i unplug ALL THE TIME, trust me... but i can get > ONLINE within seconds, so im not too worried about > not having access... its there, just kinetically. > > tw > > On 5/11/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Simple dude. You turn off the PC and your PDA. ;o) >> >> Seriously, I disconnect as much as possible. After 17 years, I'm trying >> get >> a better balance in my life and while having online references is great, >> I >> kind of like reading a true-blue book every so often. Call me old school. >> :o) >> >> Rey... > > -- > tony > > Tony Weeg > > macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer > email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com > blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/ > cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com > > "...straight cash homey" > - randy moss, now a raider > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206457 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
That's when I print out whatever material I think I can get through for the time I have... Also, I'm going to a dual monitor setup shortly, and I'll put online reference material on one monitor while I code on the other...that should work well, I would think... Rick From: Clint Tredway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta while on an airplane, riding in a car, etc... plus there are times I want to look at a book and not my screen ;) On 5/11/05, Tony Weeg wrote: > i was about to say the same thing. > > if im working, or need cf ANYTHING, im online > and thats that. > > not sure how you can be offline these days? > > tony > > On 5/11/05, Jeff Garza wrote: > > Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... > > > > Jeff > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) > > > > Rey... > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Clint Tredway" > > To: "CF-Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM > > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > > > reference... > > > > > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne wrote: > > >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my > > >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) > > >> > > >> Micha Schopman wrote: > > >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard > > >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for > > >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the > > >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it > > >> > with > > >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). > > >> > > > >> > Micha Schopman > > >> > Project Manager > > >> > > > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > > >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > > >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - > > >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > > >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > > >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > > >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ------------ > > >> > - > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities > > >> > hidden > > >> > there. > > >> > > > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester > > >> > for > > >> > CFMX in it... > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > > >> > enoughif not better. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > S
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
L-O-L! -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta i used to cfwhack mine, but now its wireless so i just do it off the hook :) tw ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Mine is put to good use... Holding up my printer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Well I still have my 4.0 CFWACK if anyone wants it ;-) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206438 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
no shit. really? wow. i was wondering :) i unplug ALL THE TIME, trust me... but i can get ONLINE within seconds, so im not too worried about not having access... its there, just kinetically. tw On 5/11/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simple dude. You turn off the PC and your PDA. ;o) > > Seriously, I disconnect as much as possible. After 17 years, I'm trying get > a better balance in my life and while having online references is great, I > kind of like reading a true-blue book every so often. Call me old school. > :o) > > Rey... -- tony Tony Weeg macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/ cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com "...straight cash homey" - randy moss, now a raider ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206434 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
i used to cfwhack mine, but now its wireless so i just do it off the hook :) tw ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206432 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
And don't forget the blogs, which are becomming more and more a source for tutorials on single functions or application of functions within CF... All this will push Ben, et al, more into electronic publishing. The days of "paper publishing" are limited... Rick From: "Mark Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta I'm with Neil on this. I have bought the CFWACK since 4.5, but I will not be buying version 7 If I need to find out something its, 1. CF Docs 2. Google 3. CF lists -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Fair enough. I still like having a nice bound reference nearby, but to each their own. BTW, I know I can print and bind the docs, but another benefit to having Ben's book (with other authors now, let's not forget Ray Camden, et al) are the little pearls of wisdom that are in there. The docs are just so cold, IMO. Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Yeah, I do, I think the docs have come on leaps n bounds since CF 4.5 > though the internet and the explosion of Blogs allows you to learn at > a quicker and cheaper rate than with CWACK. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:16 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > What? r u serious? > > Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > >>Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more >>than enoughif not better. >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> >>Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime >>a > > new > >>version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for >>his > > new > >>revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer >>than the Sahara I tell you. >> >>I hate you, Ben. >> >>Rey... >> >>PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate >>Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206424 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Well, I keep buying the CFWACK and CFADV because with every new revision, I seem to find something new and useful. Even if 1 chapter helps me out, its worth the investment. Thanks for the great books Ben. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > Ya know, it's a good thing I am not the overly sensitive type, or > constantly > seeing this thread in my inbox would really upset me. :-) > > FWIW, lost of folks are indeed buying CFWACK and CFADV, and for that I am > grateful (and quite honored too). > > I agree that it is a shame that O'Reilly dropped their book, I think it > was > a dumb mistake on their part (and spoke to them repeatedly trying to get > them to change their mind). > > As for whether or not existing experienced CF developers should buy this > new > edition, I'm not going to suggest they do, but rather suggest that they > skim > the TOC to see if there is enough new content for them. While lots of the > book changed, very experienced developers may find that not enough changed > to justify the price (and the CFADV changes may be more useful than the > CFWACK changes). I'm not going to push one way or the other. > > Oh, and yes, the MM docs are orders of magnitude better than they were way > back when, thank goodness for that. > > --- Ben ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206414 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
hahahahahaha. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > And for that, my kids' college funds thank you. ;-) > > --- Ben > > PS I wish! > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:00 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > new > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206413 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Simple dude. You turn off the PC and your PDA. ;o) Seriously, I disconnect as much as possible. After 17 years, I'm trying get a better balance in my life and while having online references is great, I kind of like reading a true-blue book every so often. Call me old school. :o) Rey... - Original Message - From: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta >i was about to say the same thing. > > if im working, or need cf ANYTHING, im online > and thats that. > > not sure how you can be offline these days? > > tony > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
>3.1 was blue (2nd edition).my first CF Bible ;-) Mine too. Heck, I bought 2 copies, one for the office, one for home for when I can't sleep trying to figure out how to make some code work in my head. (Since I was just learning CF back then, I spent more nights like that then I do now!) I've bought every edition since then and will continue to do so. IMO there is so MUCH more in the WACK and Advanced Application Development books than the Live Docs! Money well spent. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206407 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Yep and I'll get that one as well. The CFWACK provides the fundamentals of the new features and always serves as a great resource. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Kerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > Wouldnt the Advanced CF 7 book be of more benefit than the CFWACK book? > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > new > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206406 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
> -Original Message- > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:07 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > who needs ethernet? > > my wireless work in my wc Yours is wireless!? Mine's still firmly attached... despite my wife's best efforts. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206405 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
who needs ethernet? my wireless work in my wc :) On 5/11/05, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that's dedicated! > > - Original Message - > From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:18 AM > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >I have an ethernet port in the WC;-) > > > > You just never know when you need to use it... > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206403 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Now that's dedicated! - Original Message - From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >I have an ethernet port in the WC;-) > > You just never know when you need to use it... > > > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206399 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Don't know about you, but I would never lug my WACK with me on an airplane... they'd probably charge extra for the added weight! -- Jeff - Original Message - From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > while on an airplane, riding in a car, etc... plus there are times I > want to look at a book and not my screen ;) > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206400 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Ya know, it's a good thing I am not the overly sensitive type, or constantly seeing this thread in my inbox would really upset me. :-) FWIW, lost of folks are indeed buying CFWACK and CFADV, and for that I am grateful (and quite honored too). I agree that it is a shame that O'Reilly dropped their book, I think it was a dumb mistake on their part (and spoke to them repeatedly trying to get them to change their mind). As for whether or not existing experienced CF developers should buy this new edition, I'm not going to suggest they do, but rather suggest that they skim the TOC to see if there is enough new content for them. While lots of the book changed, very experienced developers may find that not enough changed to justify the price (and the CFADV changes may be more useful than the CFWACK changes). I'm not going to push one way or the other. Oh, and yes, the MM docs are orders of magnitude better than they were way back when, thank goodness for that. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Those bound, printed copies cost $150 for the set. I'm thinking sub $40 per book for the WACK and Advanced WACK is a better deal! -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta For what it's worth I use the docs as my primary resource as well. You can buy bound, printed copies directly from Macromedia and that's always the first thing I do when a new version hits. The online version of the docs also includes many useful comments from anal retentive readers. ;^) Not that I don't love Ben but I honestly don't buy the WACK any longer either. I still highly recommend it to anybody that wants a book... but personally I just find that I rarely get my money's worth from any technical books, even uniformly excellent ones. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206395 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
lol -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 16:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta And for that, my kids' college funds thank you. ;-) --- Ben PS I wish! -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than the Sahara I tell you. I hate you, Ben. Rey... PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206394 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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And for that, my kids' college funds thank you. ;-) --- Ben PS I wish! -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than the Sahara I tell you. I hate you, Ben. Rey... PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206392 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Having books around for others to reference here at work has been one of the better things I have done. Since we work a lot with CF5 still here, I have a wrox CF5 book, CFWACK 5, O'Reilly's CF 5 book and then an O'Reilly HTML and Javascript books sitting here. Do not think I have ever referenced them here but by having them here it at least has encouraged some of the others to try and read up on things in them and expand their skills. On 5/11/05, Yves Arsenault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I also have someone doing a bit of work for me, and he finds the book > version very useful... he was more of a PHP guy, so a good starting > point with CF is CFWACK as opposed to the docs. > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206385 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Airplane? I would be lost without my laptop on a plane! -Original Message- From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Wireless is the way to go baby! And I have to say "Wireless on the Bowl" wbagnfarb (would be a good name for a rock band). George On 5/11/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206384 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Wireless is just to unreliable and slow for the files I need to transfer (raw uncompressed video footage) -Original Message- From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Wireless is the way to go baby! And I have to say "Wireless on the Bowl" wbagnfarb (would be a good name for a rock band). George On 5/11/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an ethernet port in the WC;-) > > You just never know when you need to use it... > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206381 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Airplane? I would be lost without my laptop on a plane! -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta while on an airplane, riding in a car, etc... plus there are times I want to look at a book and not my screen ;) On 5/11/05, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i was about to say the same thing. > > if im working, or need cf ANYTHING, im online > and thats that. > > not sure how you can be offline these days? > > tony > > On 5/11/05, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... > > > > Jeff > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) > > > > Rey... > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM > > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > > > reference... > > > > > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my > > >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) > > >> > > >> Micha Schopman wrote: > > >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard > > >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for > > >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the > > >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it > > >> > with > > >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). > > >> > > > >> > Micha Schopman > > >> > Project Manager > > >> > > > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > > >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > > >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - > > >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > > >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > > >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > > >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ---------------- > > >> > - > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities > > >> > hidden > > >> > there. > > >> > > > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester > > >> > for > > >> > CFMX in it... > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > > >> > enoughif not better. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
I bought the first (CF7), and I am going to buy the CF advanced.. Although, I do use the online docs when I need a reference... I also have someone doing a bit of work for me, and he finds the book version very useful... he was more of a PHP guy, so a good starting point with CF is CFWACK as opposed to the docs. Sometimes, I find having print very handy... maybe it depends on my mood... and amount of coffee intake. But usually, online docs and google. Yves On 5/11/05, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't believe they are anymore, but I could be wrong. > > However, to be a developer, you only need the Developer Edition. It's your > host, company or what not that will need the licensed edition for any shared > environments. > > - Calvin > > -Original Message- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:18 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > If you have a licensed copy of CF they are free (used to be) > > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 15:18 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Those bound, printed copies cost $150 for the set. I'm thinking sub $40 per > book for the WACK and Advanced WACK is a better deal! > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:58 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > For what it's worth I use the docs as my primary resource as well. > > You can buy bound, printed copies directly from Macromedia and that's always > the first thing I do when a new version hits. The online version of the > docs also includes many useful comments from anal retentive readers. ;^) > > Not that I don't love Ben but I honestly don't buy the WACK any longer > either. > > I still highly recommend it to anybody that wants a book... but personally I > just find that I rarely get my money's worth from any technical books, even > uniformly excellent ones. > > Jim Davis > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206380 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Wireless is the way to go baby! And I have to say "Wireless on the Bowl" wbagnfarb (would be a good name for a rock band). George On 5/11/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an ethernet port in the WC;-) > > You just never know when you need to use it... > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206379 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
while on an airplane, riding in a car, etc... plus there are times I want to look at a book and not my screen ;) On 5/11/05, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i was about to say the same thing. > > if im working, or need cf ANYTHING, im online > and thats that. > > not sure how you can be offline these days? > > tony > > On 5/11/05, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... > > > > Jeff > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) > > > > Rey... > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM > > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > > > reference... > > > > > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my > > >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) > > >> > > >> Micha Schopman wrote: > > >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard > > >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for > > >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the > > >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it > > >> > with > > >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). > > >> > > > >> > Micha Schopman > > >> > Project Manager > > >> > > > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > > >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > > >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - > > >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > > >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > > >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > > >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ---------------- > > >> > - > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities > > >> > hidden > > >> > there. > > >> > > > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester > > >> > for > > >> > CFMX in it... > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > > >> > enoughif not better. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > > >> > To: CF-Talk > > >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > >> > > > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > > >> > new > > >> > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for > > >> > his > > >> > new > > >> > > > >> > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer > > >> > than > > >> > the Sahara I tell you. > > >> > > > >> > I hate you, Ben. > > >> > > > >> > Rey... > > >> > > > >> > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate > > >> > Ben; > > >> > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206376 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
I don't believe they are anymore, but I could be wrong. However, to be a developer, you only need the Developer Edition. It's your host, company or what not that will need the licensed edition for any shared environments. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta If you have a licensed copy of CF they are free (used to be) -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Those bound, printed copies cost $150 for the set. I'm thinking sub $40 per book for the WACK and Advanced WACK is a better deal! -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta For what it's worth I use the docs as my primary resource as well. You can buy bound, printed copies directly from Macromedia and that's always the first thing I do when a new version hits. The online version of the docs also includes many useful comments from anal retentive readers. ;^) Not that I don't love Ben but I honestly don't buy the WACK any longer either. I still highly recommend it to anybody that wants a book... but personally I just find that I rarely get my money's worth from any technical books, even uniformly excellent ones. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206374 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
> -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:18 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Those bound, printed copies cost $150 for the set. I'm thinking sub $40 > per > book for the WACK and Advanced WACK is a better deal! Whatever you prefer - but I find the CF Reference guide the most useful book out of all of them - it's worth (the admittedly horrendously jacked up) price. I used to buy two sets of the docs - one for home, one for the office - the price increases have stopped that. But I still get one. Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206373 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
I have an ethernet port in the WC;-) You just never know when you need to use it... -Original Message- From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Wireless on the bowl? Are you that dedicated? Don't worry Ben, I'll still feed you. :p -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... Jeff -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) Rey... - Original Message - From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > reference... > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) >> >> Micha Schopman wrote: >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it >> > with >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). >> > >> > Micha Schopman >> > Project Manager >> > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl >> > ---------------- >> > >> > - >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities >> > hidden >> > there. >> > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester >> > for >> > CFMX in it... >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >> > enoughif not better. >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a >> > new >> > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for >> > his >> > new >> > >> > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer >> > than >> > the Sahara I tell you. >> > >> > I hate you, Ben. >> > >> > Rey... >> > >> > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate >> > Ben; >> > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206371 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
If you have a licensed copy of CF they are free (used to be) -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Those bound, printed copies cost $150 for the set. I'm thinking sub $40 per book for the WACK and Advanced WACK is a better deal! -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta For what it's worth I use the docs as my primary resource as well. You can buy bound, printed copies directly from Macromedia and that's always the first thing I do when a new version hits. The online version of the docs also includes many useful comments from anal retentive readers. ;^) Not that I don't love Ben but I honestly don't buy the WACK any longer either. I still highly recommend it to anybody that wants a book... but personally I just find that I rarely get my money's worth from any technical books, even uniformly excellent ones. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206370 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
i was about to say the same thing. if im working, or need cf ANYTHING, im online and thats that. not sure how you can be offline these days? tony On 5/11/05, Jeff Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... > > Jeff > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) > > Rey... > > - Original Message - > From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > > reference... > > > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my > >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) > >> > >> Micha Schopman wrote: > >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard > >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for > >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the > >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it > >> > with > >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). > >> > > >> > Micha Schopman > >> > Project Manager > >> > > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > - > >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > >> > > > >> > > > >> > - > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 > >> > To: CF-Talk > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > >> > > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities > >> > hidden > >> > there. > >> > > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester > >> > for > >> > CFMX in it... > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM > >> > To: CF-Talk > >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > >> > > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > >> > enoughif not better. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > >> > To: CF-Talk > >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > >> > > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > >> > new > >> > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for > >> > his > >> > new > >> > > >> > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer > >> > than > >> > the Sahara I tell you. > >> > > >> > I hate you, Ben. > >> > > >> > Rey... > >> > > >> > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate > >> > Ben; > >> > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206369 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Wireless on the bowl? Are you that dedicated? Don't worry Ben, I'll still feed you. :p -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... Jeff -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) Rey... - Original Message - From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > reference... > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) >> >> Micha Schopman wrote: >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it >> > with >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). >> > >> > Micha Schopman >> > Project Manager >> > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl >> > ---------------- >> > >> > - >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities >> > hidden >> > there. >> > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester >> > for >> > CFMX in it... >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >> > enoughif not better. >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a >> > new >> > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for >> > his >> > new >> > >> > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer >> > than >> > the Sahara I tell you. >> > >> > I hate you, Ben. >> > >> > Rey... >> > >> > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate >> > Ben; >> > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206368 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
3.1 was blue (2nd edition).my first CF Bible ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206366 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Those bound, printed copies cost $150 for the set. I'm thinking sub $40 per book for the WACK and Advanced WACK is a better deal! -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta For what it's worth I use the docs as my primary resource as well. You can buy bound, printed copies directly from Macromedia and that's always the first thing I do when a new version hits. The online version of the docs also includes many useful comments from anal retentive readers. ;^) Not that I don't love Ben but I honestly don't buy the WACK any longer either. I still highly recommend it to anybody that wants a book... but personally I just find that I rarely get my money's worth from any technical books, even uniformly excellent ones. Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206365 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Man... doesn't anyone have wireless here??? ;-) I'm never "offline"... Jeff -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) Rey... - Original Message - From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > reference... > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) >> >> Micha Schopman wrote: >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it >> > with >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). >> > >> > Micha Schopman >> > Project Manager >> > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl >> > -------------------- >> > >> > - >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities >> > hidden >> > there. >> > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester >> > for >> > CFMX in it... >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >> > enoughif not better. >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a >> > new >> > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for >> > his >> > new >> > >> > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer >> > than >> > the Sahara I tell you. >> > >> > I hate you, Ben. >> > >> > Rey... >> > >> > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate >> > Ben; >> > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
What color was the 3.0 one? I have a bright yellow CFWACK and always assumed it was for version 3. I have the 4.0 one and a 5.0 one as well. Heck I still have the docs for CF 1 sitting on my desk, maybe I should clean up that desk one of these days. On 5/11/05, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:49 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Well I still have my 4.0 CFWACK if anyone wants it ;-) > > Well - I still have my CF 2.0 WACK - that bright yellow 14 lb. thing. > > Neener neener neener. ;^) > > Jim Davis > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206362 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:49 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Well I still have my 4.0 CFWACK if anyone wants it ;-) Well - I still have my CF 2.0 WACK - that bright yellow 14 lb. thing. Neener neener neener. ;^) Jim Davis ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206358 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
For what it's worth I use the docs as my primary resource as well. You can buy bound, printed copies directly from Macromedia and that's always the first thing I do when a new version hits. The online version of the docs also includes many useful comments from anal retentive readers. ;^) Not that I don't love Ben but I honestly don't buy the WACK any longer either. I still highly recommend it to anybody that wants a book... but personally I just find that I rarely get my money's worth from any technical books, even uniformly excellent ones. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206357 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Subtle way of saying "in the bathroom"? ;o) Rey... - Original Message - From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a > reference... > > On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my >> copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) >> >> Micha Schopman wrote: >> > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard >> > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for >> > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the >> > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it >> > with >> > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). >> > >> > Micha Schopman >> > Project Manager >> > >> > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort >> > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 >> > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren >> > de interactie met uw doelgroep. >> > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer >> > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl >> > -------------------- >> > >> > - >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities >> > hidden >> > there. >> > >> > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester >> > for >> > CFMX in it... >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >> > enoughif not better. >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> > >> > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a >> > new >> > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for >> > his >> > new >> > >> > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer >> > than >> > the Sahara I tell you. >> > >> > I hate you, Ben. >> > >> > Rey... >> > >> > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate >> > Ben; >> > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206356 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Well I still have my 4.0 CFWACK if anyone wants it ;-) But seriously the rate that things change nowadays you do need to consider how much you need a book. As we all know, they can be out of date really quickly. If you are already really experienced with a technology then I guess what would be a ideal would be a "what's new" book which only covers the new features of a version. But as there doesn't seem to be huge enough demand for dedicated cf books, I'm not sure if there would be sufficient demand for such a book. Did I mention I love O'reilly Safari? ~k > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 13:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > new > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206352 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Wouldnt the Advanced CF 7 book be of more benefit than the CFWACK book? -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than the Sahara I tell you. I hate you, Ben. Rey... PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
the main reason I buy books is for when I am not online and need a reference... On 5/11/05, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my > copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) > > Micha Schopman wrote: > > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard > > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for > > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the > > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it with > > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). > > > > Micha Schopman > > Project Manager > > > > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > > > > > > > - > > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > > > > > > ----- > > -Original Message- > > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities hidden > > there. > > > > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester for > > CFMX in it... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > > enoughif not better. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > > new > > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > > new > > > > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer > > than > > the Sahara I tell you. > > > > I hate you, Ben. > > > > Rey... > > > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate > > Ben; > > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206350 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
I agree Neil. I actually thought about that last night because I pulled out my trusty Programming ColdFusion MX to get some code. Its a shame. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta >I am just sad the O'Reilly dropped their coverage of CF as I prefer there > layout and useage. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:24 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Fair enough. I still like having a nice bound reference nearby, but to > each their own. BTW, I know I can print and bind the docs, but another > benefit to having Ben's book (with other authors now, let's not forget > Ray Camden, et al) are the little pearls of wisdom that are in there. > The docs are just so cold, IMO. > > Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: >> Yeah, I do, I think the docs have come on leaps n bounds since CF 4.5 > though >> the internet and the explosion of Blogs allows you to learn at a quicker > and >> cheaper rate than with CWACK. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 11 May 2005 14:16 >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta >> >> What? r u serious? >> >> Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: >> >>>Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >>>enoughif not better. >>> >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >>>To: CF-Talk >>>Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >>> >>>Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a >> >> new >> >>>version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his >> >> new >> >>>revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than >>>the Sahara I tell you. >>> >>>I hate you, Ben. >>> >>>Rey... >>> >>>PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; >>>well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
I'm with Neil on this. I have bought the CFWACK since 4.5, but I will not be buying version 7 If I need to find out something its, 1. CF Docs 2. Google 3. CF lists -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Fair enough. I still like having a nice bound reference nearby, but to each their own. BTW, I know I can print and bind the docs, but another benefit to having Ben's book (with other authors now, let's not forget Ray Camden, et al) are the little pearls of wisdom that are in there. The docs are just so cold, IMO. Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Yeah, I do, I think the docs have come on leaps n bounds since CF 4.5 > though the internet and the explosion of Blogs allows you to learn at > a quicker and cheaper rate than with CWACK. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:16 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > What? r u serious? > > Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > >>Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more >>than enoughif not better. >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> >>Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime >>a > > new > >>version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for >>his > > new > >>revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer >>than the Sahara I tell you. >> >>I hate you, Ben. >> >>Rey... >> >>PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate >>Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
I am just sad the O'Reilly dropped their coverage of CF as I prefer there layout and useage. -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta Fair enough. I still like having a nice bound reference nearby, but to each their own. BTW, I know I can print and bind the docs, but another benefit to having Ben's book (with other authors now, let's not forget Ray Camden, et al) are the little pearls of wisdom that are in there. The docs are just so cold, IMO. Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Yeah, I do, I think the docs have come on leaps n bounds since CF 4.5 though > the internet and the explosion of Blogs allows you to learn at a quicker and > cheaper rate than with CWACK. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:16 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > What? r u serious? > > Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > >>Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >>enoughif not better. >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> >>Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > > new > >>version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > > new > >>revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than >>the Sahara I tell you. >> >>I hate you, Ben. >> >>Rey... >> >>PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; >>well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206347 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Yea, those books just don't stand up to the pressure. All three of my copies (4.0, 5.0, MX) are in quite horrible condition. :) Micha Schopman wrote: > I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard > along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for > learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the > book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it with > some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). > > Micha Schopman > Project Manager > > Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort > Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 > KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 > > > > - > Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren > de interactie met uw doelgroep. > Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer > informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl > > > - > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities hidden > there. > > For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester for > CFMX in it... > > -Original Message- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > enoughif not better. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > new > > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer > than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate > Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
If you're talking about the rudimentary books that come with CFMX 7, they're sadly lacking. Ben has consistently produced the most comprehensive ColdFusion books to date which far exceed what both LiveDocs and the CFMX manuals provide. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > enoughif not better. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > new > > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206346 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Fair enough. I still like having a nice bound reference nearby, but to each their own. BTW, I know I can print and bind the docs, but another benefit to having Ben's book (with other authors now, let's not forget Ray Camden, et al) are the little pearls of wisdom that are in there. The docs are just so cold, IMO. Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Yeah, I do, I think the docs have come on leaps n bounds since CF 4.5 though > the internet and the explosion of Blogs allows you to learn at a quicker and > cheaper rate than with CWACK. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:16 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta > > What? r u serious? > > Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > >>Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than >>enoughif not better. >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta >> >>Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a > > new > >>version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his > > new > >>revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than >>the Sahara I tell you. >> >>I hate you, Ben. >> >>Rey... >> >>PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; >>well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206344 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
I was astonished; he did not deliver a Ben Forta look-alike fake beard along with the book. Without kidding, his books are THE standard for learning ColdFusion. The only negative thing I have, after I opened the book two pages directly fell out of it. No problem though, fixed it with some construction kit I just used for fixing a vase (thank you cats). Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 11 mei 2005 14:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities hidden there. For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester for CFMX in it... -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than enoughif not better. -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than the Sahara I tell you. I hate you, Ben. Rey... PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Not always, and also there's often some neat gems of capabilities hidden there. For example the one for CFMX 6 had a nifty regular expression tester for CFMX in it... -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I truly hate Ben Forta Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than enoughif not better. -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than the Sahara I tell you. I hate you, Ben. Rey... PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206342 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Yeah, I do, I think the docs have come on leaps n bounds since CF 4.5 though the internet and the explosion of Blogs allows you to learn at a quicker and cheaper rate than with CWACK. -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I truly hate Ben Forta What? r u serious? Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > enoughif not better. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new > > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
What? r u serious? Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > enoughif not better. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta > > Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new > version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new > > revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than > the Sahara I tell you. > > I hate you, Ben. > > Rey... > > PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; > well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. > > > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I truly hate Ben Forta
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than > enoughif not better. well for i18n work, its certainly cheaper than hiring me & if you think the docs are enough for thiswell good luck then. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206339 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I truly hate Ben Forta
Q. Why on earth do you need these books now? The CF Docs are more than enoughif not better. -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 May 2005 14:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: I truly hate Ben Forta Thats right! I said it!! I hate the man! I hate him because everytime a new version of CF comes out, I find myself TOTALLY plunking down $55 for his new revised version of CFWACK!! He is sucking my bank account dry! Dryer than the Sahara I tell you. I hate you, Ben. Rey... PS: Of course, this message is all in jest and I don't actually hate Ben; well, maybe a little. Great books Ben. Keep up the great work bud. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206338 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
