Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-11 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 10 July 2006 18:15, Munson, Jacob wrote:
  I understand that logic, but I don't understand why a company
  would want to spend the money on BlueDragon.NET when they are
  already coding everything in .NET.
 True, but say you've got a beloved CF app in your company.  You're
 manager was recently convinced that .Net is the way to go, and he wants
 to convert all company apps to .Net.  If you use BD.Net you have a
 chance of convincing him to keep this app in CF.

No, you don't.
The decision has been taken, and you'll be rewriting the CF as .Net, rather 
than spend money on a new server to run the CF.

Been there, done that, left :-)

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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I'll be honest and say that they have lots of cash and throw money and servers 
at a problem rather than tight code. I've talked to them in the past about 
different things on the site and the results have been all of nothing. Of 
course this was before the move to bluedragon (from CF 5) so things may have 
changed (not from what I saw last). 
Look at the various reports from last years CFUnited to hear how they 'code' 
their site. There are other rumors about the site, but I can't comment on 
those, just what they actually said at the conference.

 Does anybody know of an overview page of the myspace technical setup.
 I've heard they have a huge software team, that they are moving to .
 net,
 and a few other random things. I'm curious to how their operation 
 runs
 day to day in the web development department. URL's make it look like
 fusebox 3 requests. Anybody actually *know* whats going on over 
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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread John C. Bland II
Here you go:
http://blog.mix06.com/virtualmix/archive/2006/03/17/MySpace_demo.aspx.

They spoke semi-detailed at Mix this year.

On 7/10/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll be honest and say that they have lots of cash and throw money and
 servers at a problem rather than tight code. I've talked to them in the past
 about different things on the site and the results have been all of nothing.
 Of course this was before the move to bluedragon (from CF 5) so things may
 have changed (not from what I saw last).
 Look at the various reports from last years CFUnited to hear how they
 'code' their site. There are other rumors about the site, but I can't
 comment on those, just what they actually said at the conference.

  Does anybody know of an overview page of the myspace technical setup.
  I've heard they have a huge software team, that they are moving to .
  net,
  and a few other random things. I'm curious to how their operation
  runs
  day to day in the web development department. URL's make it look like
  fusebox 3 requests. Anybody actually *know* whats going on over
  there?

 
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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
In talking with several NewAtlanta folks during CFUnited:

Upside: Most pages have a .cfm extension
Downside: More and more templates contain nothing more than a cfinclude 
to an .aspx file

It's become rather obvious that, rather than leveraging the power of 
ColdFusion, the move to BlueDragon.NET stems from their desire to slowly 
migrate their codebase from CF to .NET, without having to rewrite 
everything at once. This is not to say that there aren't great things 
coming out of NewAtlanta, or that BD.NET doesn't provide for some great 
and interesting opportunities. It's just a shame that MySpace appears to 
have solely moved to BD.NET for this type of implementation...

Cutter

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Jon Block wrote:
 Does anybody know of an overview page of the myspace technical setup.
 I've heard they have a huge software team, that they are moving to .net,
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RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Munson, Jacob
 It's become rather obvious that, rather than leveraging the power of 
 ColdFusion, the move to BlueDragon.NET stems from their 
 desire to slowly 
 migrate their codebase from CF to .NET, without having to rewrite 
 everything at once. This is not to say that there aren't great things 
 coming out of NewAtlanta, or that BD.NET doesn't provide for 
 some great 
 and interesting opportunities. It's just a shame that MySpace 
 appears to 
 have solely moved to BD.NET for this type of implementation...

I was suspecting this too.  At CFUnited 2005 they seemed to be very
happy and firmly in the BD camp, but the more evidence that comes out,
it seems they're just using BD as a stepping stone to get to ASP.Net.  I
can understand wanting a better platform than CF 5, but they didn't even
try MX.


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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Casey Dougall
Why try MX when Microsoft was ready to hold their hands in getting their
site ready for Vista. That video was interesting.
Lessons learned I guess. Adobe, get your new products in the hands of your
big clients with public facing websites and you might get in on the next
MySpace ;-)

Casey

On 7/10/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It's become rather obvious that, rather than leveraging the power of
  ColdFusion, the move to BlueDragon.NET stems from their
  desire to slowly
  migrate their codebase from CF to .NET, without having to rewrite
  everything at once. This is not to say that there aren't great things
  coming out of NewAtlanta, or that BD.NET doesn't provide for
  some great
  and interesting opportunities. It's just a shame that MySpace
  appears to
  have solely moved to BD.NET for this type of implementation...

 I was suspecting this too.  At CFUnited 2005 they seemed to be very
 happy and firmly in the BD camp, but the more evidence that comes out,
 it seems they're just using BD as a stepping stone to get to ASP.Net.  I
 can understand wanting a better platform than CF 5, but they didn't even
 try MX.


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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 10 July 2006 15:53, Casey Dougall wrote:
 Lessons learned I guess. Adobe, get your new products in the hands of your

It occurs to me that if MySpace2 want to do the whole thing in Flex2, they 
could do so, for free (on the grounds they wouldn't need FDS).
They needn't have a CF backend either...

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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Robert Everland III
I have been saying I haven't seen a point in Bluedragon.NET except as a 
stepping stone to get off of ColdFusion to go to .NET. Why spend as much as CF 
Enterprise just to be able to use .NET and that's all. If you're programmers 
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the language they know and not have to include BlueDragon or CF in the price of 
new servers added to the cluster.



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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Casey Dougall
Well in october BlueDragon will have cfthread, that was a cool tag. They
have also stated their is a big performance gain by using BD on the .NET
side. I have never used it so you got me...

Session management was kinda cool too. I guess in Bluedragon 7 you can
recycle an instance without loosing session data.

I'm still impressed with what Adobe will be doing with  LifeCycle and Breeze
integration. Each of these systems are $10,000  plus to integrate into your
website right now. It will be interesting to see how they price this.

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 I have been saying I haven't seen a point in Bluedragon.NET except as a
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RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Munson, Jacob
 I have been saying I haven't seen a point in Bluedragon.NET 
 except as a stepping stone to get off of ColdFusion to go to 
 .NET. Why spend as much as CF Enterprise just to be able to 
 use .NET and that's all. If you're programmers are learning 
 .NET then it would make sense to transition the entire 
 website to the language they know and not have to include 
 BlueDragon or CF in the price of new servers added to the cluster.

I don't know this from experience, but I've heard people say that BD.Net
can be useful in a business that is running .Net for most everything
else, but you still want to use ColdFusion.  That way you can run on the
same app server as all the other apps.




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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Robert Everland III
 I don't know this from experience, but I've heard people say that BD.
 Net
 can be useful in a business that is running .Net for most everything
 else, but you still want to use ColdFusion.  That way you can run on 
 the
 same app server as all the other apps.


I understand that logic, but I don't understand why a company would want to 
spend the money on BlueDragon.NET when they are already coding everything in 
.NET. 



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RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Munson, Jacob
 I understand that logic, but I don't understand why a company 
 would want to spend the money on BlueDragon.NET when they are 
 already coding everything in .NET. 

True, but say you've got a beloved CF app in your company.  You're
manager was recently convinced that .Net is the way to go, and he wants
to convert all company apps to .Net.  If you use BD.Net you have a
chance of convincing him to keep this app in CF.


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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Aaron Rouse
We looked into BD.NET to be able to maintain a beloved CFM app while the
higher ups were pushing to no CF servers and only .NET ones.  If we did it
though, we would eventually end up just migrating things to .NET over time.

On 7/10/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I understand that logic, but I don't understand why a company
  would want to spend the money on BlueDragon.NET when they are
  already coding everything in .NET.

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 chance of convincing him to keep this app in CF.


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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Robert Everland III
 True, but say you've got a beloved CF app in your company.  You're
 manager was recently convinced that .Net is the way to go, and he 
 wants
 to convert all company apps to .Net.  If you use BD.Net you have a
 chance of convincing him to keep this app in CF.


Yeah, but why do you have to use Bluedragon.NET? If you already purchased CF, 
then what is the point of then buying Bluedragon.NET? From your description it 
sounds like it would be a seperate app that wouldn't be tied into the other 
apps, so there wouldn't be a need to integrate into .NET.



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RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Munson, Jacob
 Yeah, but why do you have to use Bluedragon.NET? If you 
 already purchased CF, then what is the point of then buying 
 Bluedragon.NET? From your description it sounds like it would 
 be a seperate app that wouldn't be tied into the other apps, 
 so there wouldn't be a need to integrate into .NET.

First of all, this is just a hypothetical, not my own experience.  But
in the hypothetical, the company does have CF already, but this manager
is hell-bent on moving to .Net.  There is no logic here, I agree with
you that it doesn't make sense to move/integrate to .Net.  I'm just
saying that if you have a choice of staying with CF /because/ you can
tell the manager that it will run on .Net, BlueDragon could save your CF
app's life.



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RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Snake
Especially if they want features only available in .net 

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Sent: 10 July 2006 18:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software  Servers

 Yeah, but why do you have to use Bluedragon.NET? If you already 
 purchased CF, then what is the point of then buying Bluedragon.NET? 
 From your description it sounds like it would be a seperate app that 
 wouldn't be tied into the other apps, so there wouldn't be a need to 
 integrate into .NET.

First of all, this is just a hypothetical, not my own experience.  But in
the hypothetical, the company does have CF already, but this manager is
hell-bent on moving to .Net.  There is no logic here, I agree with you that
it doesn't make sense to move/integrate to .Net.  I'm just saying that if
you have a choice of staying with CF /because/ you can tell the manager that
it will run on .Net, BlueDragon could save your CF app's life.



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RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Burns, John D
Although, all of this leads to the same result in the end. If
development starts to move to .NET and you have a manger that is bent on
getting things over to .NET the shear fact that anything CF will cost
and extra $1500+ for licensing is a good reason to get rid of it. .NET
already has the huge advantage of coming bundled with Windows and thus
seems like the obvious choice if you're a manager who could care less
about CF.

John Burns

-Original Message-
From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software  Servers

 Yeah, but why do you have to use Bluedragon.NET? If you 
 already purchased CF, then what is the point of then buying 
 Bluedragon.NET? From your description it sounds like it would 
 be a seperate app that wouldn't be tied into the other apps, 
 so there wouldn't be a need to integrate into .NET.

First of all, this is just a hypothetical, not my own experience.  But
in the hypothetical, the company does have CF already, but this manager
is hell-bent on moving to .Net.  There is no logic here, I agree with
you that it doesn't make sense to move/integrate to .Net.  I'm just
saying that if you have a choice of staying with CF /because/ you can
tell the manager that it will run on .Net, BlueDragon could save your CF
app's life.



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Re: MySpace - How they do it: Staff, Software Servers

2006-07-10 Thread Daniel Ganter
It's become rather obvious that, rather than leveraging the power of 
ColdFusion, the move to BlueDragon.NET stems from their desire to slowly 
migrate their codebase from CF to .NET, without having to rewrite 
everything at once. This is not to say that there aren't great things 
coming out of NewAtlanta, or that BD.NET doesn't provide for some great 
and interesting opportunities. It's just a shame that MySpace appears to 
have solely moved to BD.NET for this type of implementation...

Cutter,

I would not agree with this as a blanket statement.

There is still a large amount of cfml code in use - and it
will remain in use for a *long* time. The areas targeted for
rewrite have been for reasons other than scripting language.

The unprecendented success and growth of MySpace.com has
created numerous challenges - challenges that would test
*any* architecture. The scripting language itself is but
one single piece of the overall .NET architecture at MySpace.

Regards,
Dan

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