RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
Ben's list is unfortunately for the Netherlands terribly out of date. Most companies listed there now use .NET or PHP, whilest there are a lot of CF-sites and companies not being listed. Of course it's important to maintain this data for your own company if you're listed and it would be an undoable task for Ben to contact each and everyone to check if the data still was right. Hence, such a list would be quickly out-of-date and not really worth the effort put into it... Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 03:04:54 +1000 Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion From: andr...@andyscott.id.au To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Ben's is not well maintained at all, as I said there are sites that I know that run in ColdFusion and has done since 2003 and they are not listed on either of the two lists. I would almost say that this type of maintenance would almost be the sort of thing that neither has the time to do. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 3:05 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion No clue about the GotCFM list. I'd guess that Ben's list is well maintained, but I don't know for certain. Perhaps he'd chime in on this one? andy ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336611 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
Oh, and Rey's GOTCFM is not easy to change either. I wanted to change and add listings, but this isn't possible. Also Rey doesn't really respond to mail, I've tried to contact hi about this thru regular mail but also via the contactmailaddress on the site, to no avail alas. Maybe he'll see this post and react ;-) Of course he's busy in the Microsoft realm now, so CF might not be his primary business motive anymore! Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:58:39 +0200 Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion From: seb...@hotmail.com To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Ben's list is unfortunately for the Netherlands terribly out of date. Most companies listed there now use .NET or PHP, whilest there are a lot of CF-sites and companies not being listed. Of course it's important to maintain this data for your own company if you're listed and it would be an undoable task for Ben to contact each and everyone to check if the data still was right. Hence, such a list would be quickly out-of-date and not really worth the effort put into it... Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 03:04:54 +1000 Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion From: andr...@andyscott.id.au To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Ben's is not well maintained at all, as I said there are sites that I know that run in ColdFusion and has done since 2003 and they are not listed on either of the two lists. I would almost say that this type of maintenance would almost be the sort of thing that neither has the time to do. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 3:05 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion No clue about the GotCFM list. I'd guess that Ben's list is well maintained, but I don't know for certain. Perhaps he'd chime in on this one? andy ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
To use an analogy, just because trillions of flies eat manure, does that mean we ought to? Directors don't care if developers eat shit, once they get the job done quicker and cheaper. There's also the quote Nobody ever got fired for using #IndustryLeader#. Which isn't particularly helpful, but is easy justification for someone wanting to go a particular way. My point being, Robert needs *useful* counter points, not just soundbites. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
What I really need is a kit from Adobe. The biggest issue with CF is its reputation. There are too many blogs, etc. out there that say CF is a dying technology... even though they are false the lies persist. An IT director to whom we are trying to sell a CF site does his research and finds this information - he does not want to get caught up investing in a dead-end technology. It seems to me Adobe would benefit greatly by providing a kit that would help developers back-up the claim that CF is a solid technology with a sound future. What we need are some solid statistics to: - Compare capabilities to other technologies - Illustrate an ROI equal to or superior to other technologies - Document current use on enterprise level systems (i.e., a reliable client list) - Demonstrate a solid investment from Adobe and complete commitment to a future path Adobe has done its work to sell CF to the developer. What they also need to do is the work to help back-up the developer when they are reselling CF solutions. They are a bit lacking in partner/reseller support. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5399 (20100826) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
You mean like this one? http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/evangelism_kit/ On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: What I really need is a kit from Adobe. The biggest issue with CF is its reputation. There are too many blogs, etc. out there that say CF is a dying technology... even though they are false the lies persist. An IT director to whom we are trying to sell a CF site does his research and finds this information - he does not want to get caught up investing in a dead-end technology. It seems to me Adobe would benefit greatly by providing a kit that would help developers back-up the claim that CF is a solid technology with a sound future. What we need are some solid statistics to: - Compare capabilities to other technologies - Illustrate an ROI equal to or superior to other technologies - Document current use on enterprise level systems (i.e., a reliable client list) - Demonstrate a solid investment from Adobe and complete commitment to a future path Adobe has done its work to sell CF to the developer. What they also need to do is the work to help back-up the developer when they are reselling CF solutions. They are a bit lacking in partner/reseller support. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5399 (20100826) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336567 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
- Compare capabilities to other technologies - Illustrate an ROI equal to or superior to other technologies Page 12 of http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/pdfs/cf_evangelist_kit.pdf - Document current use on enterprise level systems (i.e., a reliable client list) Page 4 of http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/pdfs/cf_evangelist_kit.pdf - Demonstrate a solid investment from Adobe and complete commitment to a future path Page 6 of http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/pdfs/cf_evangelist_kit.pdf On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: What I really need is a kit from Adobe. The biggest issue with CF is its reputation. There are too many blogs, etc. out there that say CF is a dying technology... even though they are false the lies persist. An IT director to whom we are trying to sell a CF site does his research and finds this information - he does not want to get caught up investing in a dead-end technology. It seems to me Adobe would benefit greatly by providing a kit that would help developers back-up the claim that CF is a solid technology with a sound future. What we need are some solid statistics to: - Compare capabilities to other technologies - Illustrate an ROI equal to or superior to other technologies - Document current use on enterprise level systems (i.e., a reliable client list) - Demonstrate a solid investment from Adobe and complete commitment to a future path Adobe has done its work to sell CF to the developer. What they also need to do is the work to help back-up the developer when they are reselling CF solutions. They are a bit lacking in partner/reseller support. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5399 (20100826) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336568 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
Also try to get hold of the Gartner(?) report. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:06 AM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: You mean like this one? http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/evangelism_kit/ On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: What I really need is a kit from Adobe. The biggest issue with CF is its reputation. There are too many blogs, etc. out there that say CF is a dying technology... even though they are false the lies persist. An IT director to whom we are trying to sell a CF site does his research and finds this information - he does not want to get caught up investing in a dead-end technology. It seems to me Adobe would benefit greatly by providing a kit that would help developers back-up the claim that CF is a solid technology with a sound future. What we need are some solid statistics to: - Compare capabilities to other technologies - Illustrate an ROI equal to or superior to other technologies - Document current use on enterprise level systems (i.e., a reliable client list) - Demonstrate a solid investment from Adobe and complete commitment to a future path Adobe has done its work to sell CF to the developer. What they also need to do is the work to help back-up the developer when they are reselling CF solutions. They are a bit lacking in partner/reseller support. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5399 (20100826) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336576 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
I'd be quite disappointed if anyone could maintain a list of coldfusion web sites and have it be even 10% complete. the metrics of such are not worth anything anyway. If you're trying to justify the use of Coldfusion, don't bother going with a count like that. Ben Forta's list is more suitable for giving anecdotal evidence of coldfusion in use by major corporations. There's no need to say 875,235 web sites are powered by coldfusion when you can say Here's a list of some major corporations using Coldfusion ... if AFLAC and Bank of American think it's good enough... Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336586 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
.. if AFLAC and Bank of American think it's good enough... Here here! +1 for Quality over Quantity. A couple of sites with name brand recognition worth mentioning CarFax http://www.carfax.com Logitech http://www.logitech.com The guy from Logitech is very vocal about his support of support of CF Mayo clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com And of course BOA and Adobe. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be quite disappointed if anyone could maintain a list of coldfusion web sites and have it be even 10% complete. the metrics of such are not worth anything anyway. If you're trying to justify the use of Coldfusion, don't bother going with a count like that. Ben Forta's list is more suitable for giving anecdotal evidence of coldfusion in use by major corporations. There's no need to say 875,235 web sites are powered by coldfusion when you can say Here's a list of some major corporations using Coldfusion ... if AFLAC and Bank of American think it's good enough... Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336587 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
That's because that's individual pages. Adobe (Ben Forta) has a good reference for sites using ColdFusion: http://www.forta.com/cf/using/ Rey Bango manages GotCFM.com which also has a list of sites using CF: http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Number of site using ColdFusion Anyone have a reliable reference to how many sites may are using ColdFusion? If I Google index.cfm and home.cfm the numbers exceed 1 billion. That seems a bit too high. TIA, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5397 (20100825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336516 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
If I Google index.cfm and home.cfm the numbers exceed 1 billion. Of course, you are getting all pages like index.cfm?whatever ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336517 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
How well are these lists maintained? Both do not contain sites that I know without a doubt are written in ColdFusion, not to mention the first 5 I checked on Rey's randomly are now written in PHP :-( Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:53 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion That's because that's individual pages. Adobe (Ben Forta) has a good reference for sites using ColdFusion: http://www.forta.com/cf/using/ Rey Bango manages GotCFM.com which also has a list of sites using CF: http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Number of site using ColdFusion Anyone have a reliable reference to how many sites may are using ColdFusion? If I Google index.cfm and home.cfm the numbers exceed 1 billion. That seems a bit too high. TIA, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5397 (20100825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael- Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:336516 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cf ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336518 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
No clue about the GotCFM list. I'd guess that Ben's list is well maintained, but I don't know for certain. Perhaps he'd chime in on this one? andy -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion How well are these lists maintained? Both do not contain sites that I know without a doubt are written in ColdFusion, not to mention the first 5 I checked on Rey's randomly are now written in PHP :-( Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:53 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion That's because that's individual pages. Adobe (Ben Forta) has a good reference for sites using ColdFusion: http://www.forta.com/cf/using/ Rey Bango manages GotCFM.com which also has a list of sites using CF: http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Number of site using ColdFusion Anyone have a reliable reference to how many sites may are using ColdFusion? If I Google index.cfm and home.cfm the numbers exceed 1 billion. That seems a bit too high. TIA, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5397 (20100825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael- Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:336516 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cf ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336520 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
Also keep in mind that many, many CF projects are internal-only within their organizations. - Jason feed me moar web2 loafmeat From: Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:01 PM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion How well are these lists maintained? Both do not contain sites that I know without a doubt are written in ColdFusion, not to mention the first 5 I checked on Rey's randomly are now written in PHP :-( Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:53 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion That's because that's individual pages. Adobe (Ben Forta) has a good reference for sites using ColdFusion: http://www.forta.com/cf/using/ Rey Bango manages GotCFM.com which also has a list of sites using CF: http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Number of site using ColdFusion Anyone have a reliable reference to how many sites may are using ColdFusion? If I Google index.cfm and home.cfm the numbers exceed 1 billion. That seems a bit too high. TIA, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or.� It must be�. Plug in to our blog:�AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5397 (20100825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael- Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:336516 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cf ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336521 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
Ben's is not well maintained at all, as I said there are sites that I know that run in ColdFusion and has done since 2003 and they are not listed on either of the two lists. I would almost say that this type of maintenance would almost be the sort of thing that neither has the time to do. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 3:05 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Number of site using ColdFusion No clue about the GotCFM list. I'd guess that Ben's list is well maintained, but I don't know for certain. Perhaps he'd chime in on this one? andy ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336522 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
Anyone have a reliable reference to how many sites may are using ColdFusion? Why do you want one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
Why do you want one? To respond to an IT director who thinks ColdFusion is dated and not in much use anymore... although this is the same guy that thinks .NET is a programming language. It seems I keep having to make the 'Why ColdFusion' argument again and again. Adobe is very good with the evangelical kit, but it focused on converting developers. What I need is a kit that a CF developer can use justify why it's OK for a client to use CF. We need a IT Director's kit for why ColdFusion is best for their business... not why ColdFusion is best for the developer. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5397 (20100825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336525 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
That might be a tough case to make if your client doesn't already have skin in the game. CF is going to limit them in as many ways as it's going to help them. disclaimerI have loved CF for 10 years. I'm happily a full time CFer and plan to always be./disclaimer ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336527 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
To respond to an IT director who thinks ColdFusion is dated and not in much use anymore... Well if he's determined, he'll just return with how many sites run on PHP or .NET or whatever. Numbers don't help for CF - what you need to demonstrate is how active and passionate the community is. A recent post by Terry Ryan might help there: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/dear-coldfusion-denier One specific point Terry makes: check out the list of ColdFusion conferences. A third of them are new conferences and have popped up over the past 3 years. He's got another posting linked from that one, which has this Cost of Ownership image: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/assets/content/toc.png Basically showing that CF requires less training, less dev time and less maintenance. I think that sort of thing should be more useful than numbers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336528 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/pdfs/Adobe3112.pdf Please read it and decide if this is something that you can use. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336529 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
Only reason I can think of is to show the beancounters it's worth upgrading/maintaining instead of moving to .NET/LAMP, ect. --Original Message-- From: Peter Boughton To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com ReplyTo: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Number of site using ColdFusion Sent: Aug 25, 2010 1:06 PM Anyone have a reliable reference to how many sites may are using ColdFusion? Why do you want one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336531 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
I recently interviewed for a contract job with the Human Development Reports division of the United Nations. They are using ColdFusion. The front end is HTML, but they use AJAX to hit ColdFusion servers to populate content and data. Government at many levels uses ColdFusion. (Yes, I know, citing that Government does it that way is usually not a good thing, but ColdFusion makes programers for the Government more efficient.) I know that many colleges and Universities are using ColdFusion. A major portion of the Real Estate industry runs on ColdFusion. One of the largest MLS search engine providers is 100% ColdFusion. Literally serving up millions of requests per day from 4 servers. Literally thousands of broker and agent websites rely on this ColdFusion service for their businesses. ColdFusion is easy to learn ColdFusion allows you to rapidly build complex applications ColdFusion can scale, does scale and has scaled to meet your traffic needs ColdFusion allows you to be flexible. Meaning you can have a pure html/ajax front end served by ColdFusion, or a Flex front end, or mobile app. All powered by the same ColdFusion backend. ColdFusion provides your application with Rapid Flexible Power! Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator Wil Genovese Consulting 651-894-4238 wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Peter Boughton wrote: To respond to an IT director who thinks ColdFusion is dated and not in much use anymore... Well if he's determined, he'll just return with how many sites run on PHP or .NET or whatever. Numbers don't help for CF - what you need to demonstrate is how active and passionate the community is. A recent post by Terry Ryan might help there: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/dear-coldfusion-denier One specific point Terry makes: check out the list of ColdFusion conferences. A third of them are new conferences and have popped up over the past 3 years. He's got another posting linked from that one, which has this Cost of Ownership image: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/assets/content/toc.png Basically showing that CF requires less training, less dev time and less maintenance. I think that sort of thing should be more useful than numbers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336532 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Number of site using ColdFusion
http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/pdfs/Adobe3112.pdf Please read it and decide if this is something that you can use. I'd love to read it... but Adobe has taken it down. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5397 (20100825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I'd love to read it... but Adobe has taken it down. Google Adobe3112.pdf http://www.mpeters.de/Adobe3112.pdf -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336539 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
I contract at NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) a large number of programs here are written in ColdFusion. I also know that the State Dept, National Institutes of Health, Congress and the Senate uses ColdFusion. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: I recently interviewed for a contract job with the Human Development Reports division of the United Nations. They are using ColdFusion. The front end is HTML, but they use AJAX to hit ColdFusion servers to populate content and data. Government at many levels uses ColdFusion. (Yes, I know, citing that Government does it that way is usually not a good thing, but ColdFusion makes programers for the Government more efficient.) I know that many colleges and Universities are using ColdFusion. A major portion of the Real Estate industry runs on ColdFusion. One of the largest MLS search engine providers is 100% ColdFusion. Literally serving up millions of requests per day from 4 servers. Literally thousands of broker and agent websites rely on this ColdFusion service for their businesses. ColdFusion is easy to learn ColdFusion allows you to rapidly build complex applications ColdFusion can scale, does scale and has scaled to meet your traffic needs ColdFusion allows you to be flexible. Meaning you can have a pure html/ajax front end served by ColdFusion, or a Flex front end, or mobile app. All powered by the same ColdFusion backend. ColdFusion provides your application with Rapid Flexible Power! Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator Wil Genovese Consulting 651-894-4238 wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Peter Boughton wrote: To respond to an IT director who thinks ColdFusion is dated and not in much use anymore... Well if he's determined, he'll just return with how many sites run on PHP or .NET or whatever. Numbers don't help for CF - what you need to demonstrate is how active and passionate the community is. A recent post by Terry Ryan might help there: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/dear-coldfusion-denier One specific point Terry makes: check out the list of ColdFusion conferences. A third of them are new conferences and have popped up over the past 3 years. He's got another posting linked from that one, which has this Cost of Ownership image: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/assets/content/toc.png Basically showing that CF requires less training, less dev time and less maintenance. I think that sort of thing should be more useful than numbers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336540 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
In addition to the Gartner report, there are these remarks on a Gartner blog: http://blogs.gartner.com/mark_driver/2009/10/06/i-continue-to-be-impressed-with-coldfusion/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: To respond to an IT director who thinks ColdFusion is dated and not in much use anymore... Even tho' it just got a brand new updater for the latest release - which only came out recently and now incorporates the industry standard ORM, Hibernate? Even tho' Adobe just invested in a brand new Eclipse-based IDE dedicated to CFML? Even tho' there are now three feature-rich implementations of CFML (Adobe, OpenBD, Railo)? Even tho' Evans Data Corporation - an independent research company - estimates there are close to 800,000 CFML developers worldwide? Even tho' Gartner recently praised CFML as a technology to invest in? I hope you get my point. Number of sites isn't really a useful measure (since a large percentage of CFML sites are probably behind firewalls) but all those points above are valid. In some ways the recent security alert highlights just how widespread CFML usage is - if it were not in much use anymore, no one would have made a fuss about the exploit! It seems I keep having to make the 'Why ColdFusion' argument again and again. Adobe is very good with the evangelical kit, but it focused on converting developers. I think the evangelist kit has some pretty good stuff for managers - I don't think it's aimed at developers at all. We are talking about the same document, yes? http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/evangelism_kit/ Pages 4 and 5 in particular address use of CFML and important positive reviews. Page 6 covers the future roadmap (to dispel the 'dated' idea). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336557 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
To respond to an IT director who thinks ColdFusion is dated and not in much use anymore... Well if he's determined, he'll just return with how many sites run on PHP or .NET or whatever. To use an analogy, just because trillions of flies eat manure, does that mean we ought to? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336560 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Number of site using ColdFusion
I don't think we could ever get an accurate number of ColdFusion sites or applications currently running. What I can say with utmost certainty is that there are over 10k unique organizations worldwide actively using ColdFusion. At Adobe, we define _active_ as having purchased ColdFusion 8 or 9. -Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:336562 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
