Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread James Holmes

That isn't the same as displaying the output in the CFC. Creating and
returning output is fine; displaying it with output="true" is almost
always a bad idea.

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On 6 August 2010 03:10, Mike Kear  wrote:
>
> There are reasons to use CFCs to create output.    For example i had an
> application that required an output of a quite large XML file made up of
> maybe 50 fragments of XML,  out of a possible 300 or so specially formatted
> fragments.    Each occasion the XML was created,  the logic CFC would call
> the appropriate functions in the output cfc, which would produce the
> relevant fragment of that XML packet, then the logic CFC would stitch them
> all together into one XML packet and return it to the calling

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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Aaron Neff

>Anytime I try to put CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside the CFFUNCTION is chokes
>and can't find the end of the .

Hi Robert,

Does the following cause the above error?


  #now()#




  
  1
  
  0



I also placed the functions within a CFC, and invoked each, and, like Steven, 
saw no error w/ cfsilent (nor cfsetting) within a function. The result output 
was always digit 0. Tested in both CF9 & CF9.0.1.

Thanks!,
-Aaron Neff 

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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Mike Kear

There are reasons to use CFCs to create output.For example i had an
application that required an output of a quite large XML file made up of
maybe 50 fragments of XML,  out of a possible 300 or so specially formatted
fragments.Each occasion the XML was created,  the logic CFC would call
the appropriate functions in the output cfc, which would produce the
relevant fragment of that XML packet, then the logic CFC would stitch them
all together into one XML packet and return it to the calling page.

In XML, if you have white space in the wrong place, it can make the whole
XML packet invalid, so this was a serious issue for the viability of the
whole application.   And as i posted in my previous email in this thread, it
worked just fine,  producing output from the CFC with no extra white space.
 But you can't just treat it as a normal cfml page inside a cfc.   You have
to create a variable, containing the bit of html you want to output,  then
pass that back to the calling page.   Otherwise,  as you've found,  you'll
get all kinds of extra white space.

As it happened, my XML packets ended up having no spaces AT ALL in them,
except for intentional spaces between words in the values of the fields.
So i know you can do what you are seeking to do.

Another application for CFCs producing output is my CF9 code generator.   I
have a CFC that examines a database table, then calls a whole series of cfc
methods,  each of which produces a fragment of code, and the logic CFC
stitches them together and writes them out to a file (or files).   Kind of
like my own form of ORM,  that i wrote before i had ever heard of the term
ORM.

You can do what you want, but as others have said I'd advise putting the
logic in one CFC, and the actual output generation in another,  just so you
organise your code.

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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:

>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Robert Harrison
>  wrote:
> > I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
> > problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now.
> >
> > How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?
>
> Write the CFC entirely in cfscript (which generates no spurious
> whitespace) and use writeOutput() around the stuff you want to output.
>
> But, as others have noted, really the 'best practice' is CFCs for
> logic, CFM pages for output - mainly since you don't want to be mixing
> HTML (display) in with your logic.
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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Sean Corfield

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Robert Harrison
 wrote:
> I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
> problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now.
>
> How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?

Write the CFC entirely in cfscript (which generates no spurious
whitespace) and use writeOutput() around the stuff you want to output.

But, as others have noted, really the 'best practice' is CFCs for
logic, CFM pages for output - mainly since you don't want to be mixing
HTML (display) in with your logic.
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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Will Tomlinson

>The general consensus is that CFCs should be used primarily to encapsulate
>logic, and data retrieval. If you want to output something it really should
>be in a CFM page, or a custom tag.
>
>

Man, consensus scares me.  :)

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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Robert Harrison

> The general consensus is that CFCs should be used primarily to encapsulate
logic, and data retrieval. 

I think that's my consensus now also. Thought I'd be fancy and write one CFC
to contain an entire module; logic and output components. Apparently output
is best left in the CMF pages.


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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Andy Matthews

The general consensus is that CFCs should be used primarily to encapsulate
logic, and data retrieval. If you want to output something it really should
be in a CFM page, or a custom tag.


andy 

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Subject: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs


I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now. 

How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?



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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)

Robert,

I just tested it out (CF9) and cfsilent worked fine in a cffunction in a
cfc with output="true". Maybe something in your code between the cf
silents is breaking the tag matching. Or maybe your cfsilents are in bad
positions.

I know that this bit me before (not my code, but took me a while to
figure out the problem):


There was stuff here...

There were a couple hundred lines here.



It caused all sorts of problems.

Steve

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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:24 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs


Robert,

The best idea is NOT to use output=true if the whitespace is an issue.
It's
as simple as that. Create your content, save it to a var and pass back
the
var. You seem to getting upset that your cfc is doing what it's told to
do.



On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Robert Harrison
 wrote:

>
> I'm running out of ideas. My output is in a CFFUNCTION in a CFC.
>
> Anything I wrap around CFINVOKE on the page does not affect what's
inside
> the CFC and it's still gives whitespace.
>
> Anytime I try to put CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside the CFFUNCTION is
chokes
> and can't find the end of the .
>
> This is annoying.
>
> I doubt I am the only one doing output from a CFC? There has got to be
a
> way
> to kill the whitespace in a CFC when there is HTML output... although
it
> appears that CFSETTING, CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE, and CFSILENT are NOT
doing
> the job.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
>
>
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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Michael Grant

Robert,

The best idea is NOT to use output=true if the whitespace is an issue. It's
as simple as that. Create your content, save it to a var and pass back the
var. You seem to getting upset that your cfc is doing what it's told to do.



On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Robert Harrison  wrote:

>
> I'm running out of ideas. My output is in a CFFUNCTION in a CFC.
>
> Anything I wrap around CFINVOKE on the page does not affect what's inside
> the CFC and it's still gives whitespace.
>
> Anytime I try to put CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside the CFFUNCTION is chokes
> and can't find the end of the .
>
> This is annoying.
>
> I doubt I am the only one doing output from a CFC? There has got to be a
> way
> to kill the whitespace in a CFC when there is HTML output... although it
> appears that CFSETTING, CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE, and CFSILENT are NOT doing
> the job.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
>
>
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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Robert Harrison

I'm running out of ideas. My output is in a CFFUNCTION in a CFC. 

Anything I wrap around CFINVOKE on the page does not affect what's inside
the CFC and it's still gives whitespace. 

Anytime I try to put CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside the CFFUNCTION is chokes
and can't find the end of the .

This is annoying. 

I doubt I am the only one doing output from a CFC? There has got to be a way
to kill the whitespace in a CFC when there is HTML output... although it
appears that CFSETTING, CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE, and CFSILENT are NOT doing
the job. 

Any other ideas?



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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Mike Kear

I believe the following will work ---





Logic stuff in here.

 etc . your ourput
stuff goes here.





Then in your calling page you have :




#myoutput#


This way you're not outputting code directly from the CFC,  only generating
a string of output tags, which you're going to use in the calling page. it's
a couple of years since i've done it, but if my memory is serving me right,
that's how i solved the problem for a complex XML output cfc application,
where white space was really causing problems.  You only have to limit the
white space in your CFC between the CFSAVECONTENT tags.


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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Robert Harrison
wrote:

>
> Apparently you cannot use CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside a function at all.
> Using either of these tags in the function give me the following error:
>
>
> The start tag must have a matching end tag. An explicit end tag can be
> provided by adding . If the body of the tag is empty, you can
> use the shortcut 
>
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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Michael Grant

Ya, sorry. I never use output=true unless I actually want the output.


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Robert Harrison  wrote:

>
> Apparently you cannot use CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside a function at all.
> Using either of these tags in the function give me the following error:
>
>
> The start tag must have a matching end tag. An explicit end tag can be
> provided by adding . If the body of the tag is empty, you can
> use the shortcut 
>
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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Robert Harrison

Apparently you cannot use CFSILENT or CFSETTING inside a function at all.
Using either of these tags in the function give me the following error:


The start tag must have a matching end tag. An explicit end tag can be
provided by adding . If the body of the tag is empty, you can
use the shortcut 


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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Larry Lyons

My first idea is that output="true" is a bad idea exactly for the reasons you 
brought up - ie excessive white space.

That said, you could use a udf like htmlCompressFormat 
(http://www.cflib.org/index.cfm?event=page.udfbyid&udfid=812) on your final 
output. That ought to eliminate the extra white space.

regards,
larry


>Your non-output code here!
>
>That was the first thing I tried. It chokes on CFSILENT inside a Function.
>Says I need a ... which is of course actually there. 
>
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>Your non-output code here!
>
>I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
>problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now. 
>
>How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?
>
>
>
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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Robert Harrison

Your non-output code here!

That was the first thing I tried. It chokes on CFSILENT inside a Function.
Says I need a ... which is of course actually there. 


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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:15 AM
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Your non-output code here!

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From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:14 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs


I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now. 

How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?



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Re: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread Michael Grant

There's a couple of ways.

 (still outputs stuff within 
though)






On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Robert Harrison  wrote:

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> I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
> problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now.
>
> How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?
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RE: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs

2010-08-05 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)

Your non-output code here!

-Original Message-
From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:14 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Suppressing whitespace from CFCs


I've moved output function into CFC's; thus I'm using output="true". Only
problem is the CFC is outputting whitespace where all the logic is now. 

How can I suppress the white space in an output CFC?



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