Re: CF Groovy
JRuby looks nice, and for windows folks there is a a IIS module done by helicontech, installed via Web Platform Installer. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
There's still actually quite a bit of activity around Groovy (2.0 is imminent with many enhancements), but it is overshadowed by Grails, which is extremely active. Since the two are tightly linked (you use Groovy to build Grails apps), looking at *only* Groovy activity may be misleading. Probably similar to looking at straight Ruby vs. looking at Rails, which is what virtually everyone who uses Ruby is actually working with. It could be that I'm extra-happy with Groovy because I've also done a lot of Java work, so almost everything I'm familiar with still applies, but it's just a lot easier to work with. The syntax is almost identical where I want or need it to be, but I can drop a lot of the rigid BS that Java can force on me. I can paste straight Java code into a Groovy class and it will compile. Which I assume (so watch out) would be difficult with other JVM languages that have different syntax. Maybe I'll have to confirm that heh. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: I quite like Groovy as well - although unfortunately it doesn't look like it really exploded like I think many of us thought it would do. While it has a following, from my research, it seems to have kinda stagnated in it's community growth, in favour of some other JVM based languages. I'm looking at Ruby a lot these days, as it has similar constructs and meta programming models, but a much larger community - and if you run it on JRuby, it has access to both the Java libraries as well as Ruby ones, which is very powerful. Mark On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
The best description of Groovy I have heard came from Todd Sharp - 'I't like cfscript all growed up' On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: There's still actually quite a bit of activity around Groovy (2.0 is imminent with many enhancements), but it is overshadowed by Grails, which is extremely active. Since the two are tightly linked (you use Groovy to build Grails apps), looking at *only* Groovy activity may be misleading. Probably similar to looking at straight Ruby vs. looking at Rails, which is what virtually everyone who uses Ruby is actually working with. It could be that I'm extra-happy with Groovy because I've also done a lot of Java work, so almost everything I'm familiar with still applies, but it's just a lot easier to work with. The syntax is almost identical where I want or need it to be, but I can drop a lot of the rigid BS that Java can force on me. I can paste straight Java code into a Groovy class and it will compile. Which I assume (so watch out) would be difficult with other JVM languages that have different syntax. Maybe I'll have to confirm that heh. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: I quite like Groovy as well - although unfortunately it doesn't look like it really exploded like I think many of us thought it would do. While it has a following, from my research, it seems to have kinda stagnated in it's community growth, in favour of some other JVM based languages. I'm looking at Ruby a lot these days, as it has similar constructs and meta programming models, but a much larger community - and if you run it on JRuby, it has access to both the Java libraries as well as Ruby ones, which is very powerful. Mark On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
Another very common description is it's what Java would have been if Java was created in the 21st century. :-) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The best description of Groovy I have heard came from Todd Sharp - 'I't like cfscript all growed up' ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
Bill Joy would be pissed if he saw that... I guess he's the last laughing now... http://www.edge.org/documents/dinner2010/dinner2010_index.html On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Another very common description is it's what Java would have been if Java was created in the 21st century. :-) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The best description of Groovy I have heard came from Todd Sharp - 'I't like cfscript all growed up' ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350634 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: There's still actually quite a bit of activity around Groovy (2.0 is imminent with many enhancements), but it is overshadowed by Grails, which is extremely active. Since the two are tightly linked (you use Groovy to build Grails apps), looking at *only* Groovy activity may be misleading. Probably similar to looking at straight Ruby vs. looking at Rails, which is what virtually everyone who uses Ruby is actually working with. While I agree that there is activity... I'm just not seeing the growth in the language (and from what I'm reading, people have similar opinions). That's not to say that people shouldn't be using it - but it's just a factor of adoption. I really like Groovy - I think it's a great language with some kick ass language constructs, and it has SpringSource behind it, which is also cool - I'm just curious to see how much it is going to grow. Mark -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350637 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
I like that one too. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Another very common description is it's what Java would have been if Java was created in the 21st century. :-) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The best description of Groovy I have heard came from Todd Sharp - 'I't like cfscript all growed up' ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350642 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
Part of it may also be that there are now so many JVM languages that growth is spread out across a much wider range than any other platform. If you're interested, some of the sweet new stuff in 2.0 is detailed here: http://www.slideshare.net/glaforge/whats-new-in-groovy-20/download On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: While I agree that there is activity... I'm just not seeing the growth in the language (and from what I'm reading, people have similar opinions). That's not to say that people shouldn't be using it - but it's just a factor of adoption. I really like Groovy - I think it's a great language with some kick ass language constructs, and it has SpringSource behind it, which is also cool - I'm just curious to see how much it is going to grow. Mark -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350643 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: I used Groovy years ago. I remember reading something interesting in one of the books. Something to the effect that simple tasks like reading files in Java were overcomplex, and it would be nice if you could simply that. Yeah...that idea probably wouldn't ever fly. (Ahem, sarcasm aside, I _really_ thought Groovy was pretty cool.) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.com wrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350619 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
LOL and wow did I just realize I am really late to this thread! :-/ On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: I used Groovy years ago. I remember reading something interesting in one of the books. Something to the effect that simple tasks like reading files in Java were overcomplex, and it would be nice if you could simply that. Yeah...that idea probably wouldn't ever fly. (Ahem, sarcasm aside, I _really_ thought Groovy was pretty cool.) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.com wrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350620 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Groovy
Just a bit ;-) hehehe -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:brian...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:56 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Groovy LOL and wow did I just realize I am really late to this thread! :-/ On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: I used Groovy years ago. I remember reading something interesting in one of the books. Something to the effect that simple tasks like reading files in Java were overcomplex, and it would be nice if you could simply that. Yeah...that idea probably wouldn't ever fly. (Ahem, sarcasm aside, I _really_ thought Groovy was pretty cool.) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.com wrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
Meh. What's four or five days amongst friends? ;-) Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SII On Apr 3, 2012 9:56 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: LOL and wow did I just realize I am really late to this thread! :-/ On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: I used Groovy years ago. I remember reading something interesting in one of the books. Something to the effect that simple tasks like reading files in Java were overcomplex, and it would be nice if you could simply that. Yeah...that idea probably wouldn't ever fly. (Ahem, sarcasm aside, I _really_ thought Groovy was pretty cool.) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.com wrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350622 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
I quite like Groovy as well - although unfortunately it doesn't look like it really exploded like I think many of us thought it would do. While it has a following, from my research, it seems to have kinda stagnated in it's community growth, in favour of some other JVM based languages. I'm looking at Ruby a lot these days, as it has similar constructs and meta programming models, but a much larger community - and if you run it on JRuby, it has access to both the Java libraries as well as Ruby ones, which is very powerful. Mark On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350623 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Groovy
At least he has enthusiasm for it hehehe -Original Message- From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Groovy Meh. What's four or five days amongst friends? ;-) Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SII On Apr 3, 2012 9:56 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: LOL and wow did I just realize I am really late to this thread! :-/ On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: Groovy is by far the best all-around programming *language* I have ever run into. It doesn't have all the built-in extras that CF does, but CF is actually a platform, not just a language. But in my opinion (and I may get flak for saying it), in terms of language elegance and power, Groovy blows everything else out of the water. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: I used Groovy years ago. I remember reading something interesting in one of the books. Something to the effect that simple tasks like reading files in Java were overcomplex, and it would be nice if you could simply that. Yeah...that idea probably wouldn't ever fly. (Ahem, sarcasm aside, I _really_ thought Groovy was pretty cool.) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.com wrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.comwrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin Welcome to the party. http://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/projects/cfgroovy2/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350591 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Groovy
I used Groovy years ago. I remember reading something interesting in one of the books. Something to the effect that simple tasks like reading files in Java were overcomplex, and it would be nice if you could simply that. Yeah...that idea probably wouldn't ever fly. (Ahem, sarcasm aside, I _really_ thought Groovy was pretty cool.) On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Thornton br...@cfdeveloper.com wrote: I wanted to mention to you guys a Java project called Groovy that as the more I work with it, the more I work with it the more it's clear the unit testing and connections with be where CF heads... http://groovy.codehaus.org/ and the eclipse IDE addin are at http://groovy.codehaus.org/Eclipse+Plugin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350592 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
