Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-18 Thread Neil Middleton
seems Adobe could learn as well : http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/
Element CONFIG.VARS.RECORDSPERPAGE is undefined in APPLICATION.Neil

On 10/16/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Then go and set a site wide error handler. You can leave the file
 blank. Even that is better than what you see above.


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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-18 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 18 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 seems Adobe could learn as well : http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/
 Element CONFIG.VARS.RECORDSPERPAGE is undefined in APPLICATION.Neil

At least it's not spitting things like the local filesystem path out :-)

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-18 Thread Raymond Camden
Fixed btw.

On 10/18/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 18 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  seems Adobe could learn as well : http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/
  Element CONFIG.VARS.RECORDSPERPAGE is undefined in APPLICATION.Neil

 At least it's not spitting things like the local filesystem path out :-)

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 worst...signature...ever

Not...my...fault

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RE: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Billy Cox
Thanks for bringing me up to speed.  :)

There is a fine line between 'incompetent' and 'evil'. It sounds like
SYS-Con is delivering both.



And if you think I'm exaggerating at all, trust me, I'm not scratching 
the surface. They are SCUM.

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Raymond Camden
I'm glad they did. All teasing aside about how much we hate Sys-Con
(got to fill up the Google cache), my tip was _very_ serious and I
hope people heard it. Far too many sites forget to do this basic tip.

On 10/16/07, Janet MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FYI - folks - go to your CF Admin and disable Robust Exception Info.
 It takes 2 seconds,.
 
 Then go and set a site wide error handler. You can leave the file
 blank. Even that is better than what you see above.

 Apparently they heard you ;-).  The response is now:

 Invalid Syntax: The email parameter is missing from the URL

 

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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
Server response for your link:

500

ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded 
the allowable time limit Tag: cfoutput

If that's intentional then it is too funny...

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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Andy Matthews
I'd consider voting for him if only because it would REALLY piss off the
other candidates who only care about themselves and their party.

we the people? Who's that? 

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

Server response for your link:

500

ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded the
allowable time limit Tag: cfoutput

If that's intentional then it is too funny...

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 Boycott Syscon
 
 http://www.sstwebworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/16/Boycotting-SysCon
 
 



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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Scott Stewart
Andy's response: huh?

Cutter's response: HostMySite.com is having issues again...

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Boycott Sys-Con
 
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

I'd consider voting for him if only because it would REALLY piss off the
other candidates who only care about themselves and their party.

we the people? Who's that? 

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

Server response for your link:

500

ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded the
allowable time limit Tag: cfoutput

If that's intentional then it is too funny...

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 Boycott Syscon
 
 http://www.sstwebworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/16/Boycotting-SysCon
 
 





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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Andy Matthews
Ahh...responded to not only the wrong thread, but the completely wrong list.

/me shakes head. 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

I'd consider voting for him if only because it would REALLY piss off the
other candidates who only care about themselves and their party.

we the people? Who's that? 

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

Server response for your link:

500

ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded the
allowable time limit Tag: cfoutput

If that's intentional then it is too funny...

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 Boycott Syscon
 
 http://www.sstwebworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/16/Boycotting-SysCon
 
 





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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Billy Cox
I just figured it was guerrilla marketing for Stephen Colbert's presidential
campaign.


-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology


Ahh...responded to not only the wrong thread, but the completely wrong list.

/me shakes head. 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

I'd consider voting for him if only because it would REALLY piss off the
other candidates who only care about themselves and their party.

we the people? Who's that? 

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

Server response for your link:

500

ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded the
allowable time limit Tag: cfoutput

If that's intentional then it is too funny...

Steve Cutter Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _
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 Boycott Syscon
 
 http://www.sstwebworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/16/Boycotting-SysCon
 
 







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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Neil Middleton
Who's Sys-con?

Honestly, I've now blanked them from my brain - there's no point in worrying
about them anymore

On 10/17/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm glad they did. All teasing aside about how much we hate Sys-Con
 (got to fill up the Google cache), my tip was _very_ serious and I
 hope people heard it. Far too many sites forget to do this basic tip.

 On 10/16/07, Janet MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  FYI - folks - go to your CF Admin and disable Robust Exception Info.
  It takes 2 seconds,.
  
  Then go and set a site wide error handler. You can leave the file
  blank. Even that is better than what you see above.
 
  Apparently they heard you ;-).  The response is now:
 
  Invalid Syntax: The email parameter is missing from the URL
 
 

 

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-17 Thread Crow T. Robot
lol...sry.

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 Agreed. Thanks for resending it.

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SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Scott Stewart
http://www2.sys-con.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www2.sys-con.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]un
subtype=SOAWorld unsubtype=SOAWorld

 

I guess Silverlight can't do email

 

hehehhehehehe

 

 

 

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www2.sys-con.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I get exactly the same page for any* string, rightly so.

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Raymond Camden
Even better:

http://www2.sys-con.com/globaldelete.cfm?emil=

Notice the full path of the error. I don't normally publicly OUT
problems like this, but hey, Sys-Con deserves it.

FYI - folks - go to your CF Admin and disable Robust Exception Info.
It takes 2 seconds,.

Then go and set a site wide error handler. You can leave the file
blank. Even that is better than what you see above.


On 10/16/07, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www2.sys-con.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www2.sys-con.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]un
 subtype=SOAWorld unsubtype=SOAWorld



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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www2.sys-con.com/globaldelete.cfm?emil=

I wonder who [EMAIL PROTECTED] is.

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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Crow T. Robot
worst...signature...ever

On 10/16/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www2.sys-con.com/globaldelete.cfm?emil=

 I wonder who [EMAIL PROTECTED] is.

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RE: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread John Rossi
Google is your friend, or enemy depending on how you look at it.

http://people.langeconsulting.com/matt/

-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology


On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www2.sys-con.com/globaldelete.cfm?emil=

I wonder who [EMAIL PROTECTED] is.

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RE: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Agreed. Thanks for resending it.

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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Simon Horwith
reminder - links to sys-con pages not only in blog entries and web pages 
but also in e-mails to HoF mail lists (whose threads are web-accessible) 
benefit Sys-Con.  Unless you disagree with the statement that Sys-Con is 
no friend of the F community (and I think we all agree on this), let's 
try to not link to them.  If you want to provide a sys-con URL in a 
post, why not replace www. with www-dot-?  Anyone inclined on 
reading the article/page will figure it out.  Do note that though this 
tactic will reduce their search engine placement, ANY visits to their 
sites helps their traffic, and their traffic numbers are a selling point 
to their advertisers/sponsors.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
Adobe Community Expert
Adobe Certified Master Instructor
http://www.horwith.com




Scott Stewart wrote:
 removed to combat sys-con profitability
  

 I guess Silverlight can't do email

  

 hehehhehehehe

  

  

  

   


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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Scott Stewart
As penance I will start the Boycott magazine publisher who shall not be
named movement :)

sas

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ColdFusion Developer
 
SSTWebworks
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http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
 

-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

reminder - links to sys-con pages not only in blog entries and web pages 
but also in e-mails to HoF mail lists (whose threads are web-accessible) 
benefit Sys-Con.  Unless you disagree with the statement that Sys-Con is 
no friend of the F community (and I think we all agree on this), let's 
try to not link to them.  If you want to provide a sys-con URL in a 
post, why not replace www. with www-dot-?  Anyone inclined on 
reading the article/page will figure it out.  Do note that though this 
tactic will reduce their search engine placement, ANY visits to their 
sites helps their traffic, and their traffic numbers are a selling point 
to their advertisers/sponsors.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
Adobe Community Expert
Adobe Certified Master Instructor
http://www.horwith.com




Scott Stewart wrote:
 removed to combat sys-con profitability
  

 I guess Silverlight can't do email

  

 hehehhehehehe

  

  

  

   




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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fear of the name of a thing increases the power of a thing in your 
life.

William

-Original Message
-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Date: Oct 16, 2007 11:26 
-To: CF-Talkcf-talk@houseoffusion.com
-Subj: RE: SPAM -  SYS-Con relies on quot;deadquot; technology
-
-As penance I will start the Boycott magazine publisher who shall not 
be
-named movement :)
-
-sas
-
--- 
-Scott Stewart
-ColdFusion Developer
- 
-SSTWebworks
-4405 Oakshyre Way
-Raleigh, NC. 27616
-(703) 220-2835
- 
-http://www.sstwebworks.com
-http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
- 
-
--Original Message-
-From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:01 PM
-To: CF-Talk
-Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology
-
-reminder - links to sys-con pages not only in blog entries and web 
pages 
-but also in e-mails to HoF mail lists (whose threads are web-
accessible) 
-benefit Sys-Con.  Unless you disagree with the statement that Sys-Con 
is 
-no friend of the F community (and I think we all agree on this), 
let's 
-try to not link to them.  If you want to provide a sys-con URL in a 
-post, why not replace www. with www-dot-?  Anyone inclined on 
-reading the article/page will figure it out.  Do note that though 
this 
-tactic will reduce their search engine placement, ANY visits to 
their 
-sites helps their traffic, and their traffic numbers are a selling 
point 
-to their advertisers/sponsors.
-
-~Simon
-
-Simon Horwith
-Adobe Community Expert
-Adobe Certified Master Instructor
-http://www.horwith.com
-
-
-
-
-Scott Stewart wrote:
- removed to combat sys-con profitability
-  
-
- I guess Silverlight can't do email
-
-  
-
- hehehhehehehe
-
-  
-
-  
-
-  
-
-   
-
-
-
-
-


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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Charlie Griefer
who said anything about fear?

On 10/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fear of the name of a thing increases the power of a thing in your
 life.

 William

 -Original Message
 -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 -Date: Oct 16, 2007 11:26
 -To: CF-Talkcf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 -Subj: RE: SPAM -  SYS-Con relies on quot;deadquot; technology
 -
 -As penance I will start the Boycott magazine publisher who shall not
 be
 -named movement :)
 -
 -sas
 -
 ---
 -Scott Stewart
 -ColdFusion Developer
 -
 -SSTWebworks
 -4405 Oakshyre Way
 -Raleigh, NC. 27616
 -(703) 220-2835
 -
 -http://www.sstwebworks.com
 -http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
 -
 -
 --Original Message-
 -From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 -Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:01 PM
 -To: CF-Talk
 -Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology
 -
 -reminder - links to sys-con pages not only in blog entries and web
 pages
 -but also in e-mails to HoF mail lists (whose threads are web-
 accessible)
 -benefit Sys-Con.  Unless you disagree with the statement that Sys-Con
 is
 -no friend of the F community (and I think we all agree on this),
 let's
 -try to not link to them.  If you want to provide a sys-con URL in a
 -post, why not replace www. with www-dot-?  Anyone inclined on
 -reading the article/page will figure it out.  Do note that though
 this
 -tactic will reduce their search engine placement, ANY visits to
 their
 -sites helps their traffic, and their traffic numbers are a selling
 point
 -to their advertisers/sponsors.
 -
 -~Simon
 -
 -Simon Horwith
 -Adobe Community Expert
 -Adobe Certified Master Instructor
 -http://www.horwith.com
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -Scott Stewart wrote:
 - removed to combat sys-con profitability
 -
 -
 - I guess Silverlight can't do email
 -
 -
 -
 - hehehhehehehe
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -
 -


 

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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Billy Cox
Lord Voldemort would heartily agree. 

But seriously, what's with all the hatred of Sys-Con? Did I miss something?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology


Fear of the name of a thing increases the power of a thing in your 
life.

William

-Original Message
-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Date: Oct 16, 2007 11:26 
-To: CF-Talkcf-talk@houseoffusion.com
-Subj: RE: SPAM -  SYS-Con relies on quot;deadquot; technology
-
-As penance I will start the Boycott magazine publisher who shall not 
be
-named movement :)
-
-sas
-
--- 
-Scott Stewart
-ColdFusion Developer
- 
-SSTWebworks
-4405 Oakshyre Way
-Raleigh, NC. 27616
-(703) 220-2835
- 
-http://www.sstwebworks.com -http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
- 
-
--Original Message-
-From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:01 PM
-To: CF-Talk
-Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology
-
-reminder - links to sys-con pages not only in blog entries and web 
pages 
-but also in e-mails to HoF mail lists (whose threads are web-
accessible) 
-benefit Sys-Con.  Unless you disagree with the statement that Sys-Con 
is 
-no friend of the F community (and I think we all agree on this), 
let's 
-try to not link to them.  If you want to provide a sys-con URL in a 
-post, why not replace www. with www-dot-?  Anyone inclined on 
-reading the article/page will figure it out.  Do note that though 
this 
-tactic will reduce their search engine placement, ANY visits to 
their 
-sites helps their traffic, and their traffic numbers are a selling 
point 
-to their advertisers/sponsors.
-
-~Simon
-
-Simon Horwith
-Adobe Community Expert
-Adobe Certified Master Instructor
-http://www.horwith.com
-
-
-
-
-Scott Stewart wrote:
- removed to combat sys-con profitability
-  
-
- I guess Silverlight can't do email
-
-  
-
- hehehhehehehe
-
-  
-
-  
-
-  
-
-   
-
-
-
-
-




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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Ian Skinner
But seriously, what's with all the hatred of Sys-Con? Did I miss something?

Did you miss all the hullabaloo about Sys-Con dropping the ColdFusion 
Developers Journal in place of a Microsoft Silverlight journal because CF is 
dead?


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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Scott Stewart
Boycott Syscon

http://www.sstwebworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/16/Boycotting-SysCon


-- 
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ColdFusion Developer
 
SSTWebworks
4405 Oakshyre Way
Raleigh, NC. 27616
(703) 220-2835
 
http://www.sstwebworks.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
 
Boycott Sys-Con
 
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

As penance I will start the Boycott magazine publisher who shall not be
named movement :)

sas

-- 
Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
 
SSTWebworks
4405 Oakshyre Way
Raleigh, NC. 27616
(703) 220-2835
 
http://www.sstwebworks.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
 

-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

reminder - links to sys-con pages not only in blog entries and web pages 
but also in e-mails to HoF mail lists (whose threads are web-accessible) 
benefit Sys-Con.  Unless you disagree with the statement that Sys-Con is 
no friend of the F community (and I think we all agree on this), let's 
try to not link to them.  If you want to provide a sys-con URL in a 
post, why not replace www. with www-dot-?  Anyone inclined on 
reading the article/page will figure it out.  Do note that though this 
tactic will reduce their search engine placement, ANY visits to their 
sites helps their traffic, and their traffic numbers are a selling point 
to their advertisers/sponsors.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
Adobe Community Expert
Adobe Certified Master Instructor
http://www.horwith.com




Scott Stewart wrote:
 removed to combat sys-con profitability
  

 I guess Silverlight can't do email

  

 hehehhehehehe

  

  

  

   






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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Billy Cox
I knew that CFDJ was gone, but I didn't sense any grief at its demise.



-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology


But seriously, what's with all the hatred of Sys-Con? Did I miss something?

Did you miss all the hullabaloo about Sys-Con dropping the ColdFusion
Developers Journal in place of a Microsoft Silverlight journal because CF is
dead?




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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Ian Skinner
I knew that CFDJ was gone, but I didn't sense any grief at its demise.

No grief at its demise.  But a lot of discussion on Sys-Con's public statements 
over the reasons behind their decision as well as how they apparently handled 
the matter internally with the CFDJ editorial staff.




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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Simon Horwith
for many it was good riddance, for many others (and, in some way, for us 
all) it was a sad loss... but the truth is that while printed 
periodicals lend some credibility to a given technology, their 
usefulness in this day and age is definitely questionable... and whether 
or not we need a magazine that's run by a publisher with no journalistic 
integrity, no sense of the community they serve, and no loyalty to 
anything but the almighty dollar is, in my opinion, a no brainer.

Wow, did that sound at all bitter?

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Billy Cox wrote:
 I knew that CFDJ was gone, but I didn't sense any grief at its demise.



 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:24 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology


 But seriously, what's with all the hatred of Sys-Con? Did I miss something?

 Did you miss all the hullabaloo about Sys-Con dropping the ColdFusion
 Developers Journal in place of a Microsoft Silverlight journal because CF is
 dead?




 

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RE: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Scott Stewart
sarcasmNo, not at all /sarcasm

-- 
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Boycott Sys-Con
 

-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

for many it was good riddance, for many others (and, in some way, for us 
all) it was a sad loss... but the truth is that while printed 
periodicals lend some credibility to a given technology, their 
usefulness in this day and age is definitely questionable... and whether 
or not we need a magazine that's run by a publisher with no journalistic 
integrity, no sense of the community they serve, and no loyalty to 
anything but the almighty dollar is, in my opinion, a no brainer.

Wow, did that sound at all bitter?

~Simon

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Billy Cox wrote:
 I knew that CFDJ was gone, but I didn't sense any grief at its demise.



 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:24 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology


 But seriously, what's with all the hatred of Sys-Con? Did I miss
something?

 Did you miss all the hullabaloo about Sys-Con dropping the ColdFusion
 Developers Journal in place of a Microsoft Silverlight journal because CF
is
 dead?




 



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Re: SPAM - SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Bruce Sorge
I must say that I did subscribe to this mag when it first came out. I 
actually liked it. Hal Helms, Ben Forta, Simon, as well as other 
prominent CF developers were regular contributors, and I picked up a few 
things from it.
When it came to PDF format, that was fine. I could print out only the 
pages that were not full page ads and have a slimmed down version that I 
kept in a library. Well when the mainstream CF'ers were no longer 
contributing and when the mag was full of far more ads than any useful 
content, I canceled my subscription as well as removed myself from their 
email list. They went downhill fast. So like Simon says, although I do 
miss the first couple of years, I don't feel sad about its demise.

Bruce

Simon Horwith wrote:
 for many it was good riddance, for many others (and, in some way, for us 
 all) it was a sad loss... but the truth is that while printed 
 periodicals lend some credibility to a given technology, their 
 usefulness in this day and age is definitely questionable... and whether 
 or not we need a magazine that's run by a publisher with no journalistic 
 integrity, no sense of the community they serve, and no loyalty to 
 anything but the almighty dollar is, in my opinion, a no brainer.

 Wow, did that sound at all bitter?

 ~Simon

 Simon Horwith
 Adobe Community Expert
 Adobe Certified Master Instructor
 http://www.horwith.com




   


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Re: SYS-Con relies on dead technology

2007-10-16 Thread Bruce A. Bergman
Did you miss anything? Yes! Sys-Con is one of the biggest hypocritical 
spammers out there. Even if you forgive them for what they did with 
CFDJ, they are still a horrible, horrible company. Once you get on one 
of their mailing lists, there is NO way off of it. I started noticing 
that even though I unsubscribed to every one of their emails, I was 
still getting traffic. After some googling of this phenomenon, I found 
that there are hundreds of people out there in the same boat. They 
totally ignore your unsubscribe requests.

What they have is one giant master mailing list, and everyone who has 
even given them an email address is in it. When they go to send out spam 
(promotions in their vocabulary), they often provide unsubscribe 
links, but those links only unsubscribe you from the *current* 
promotion. Your email address is never removed from the master list. 
They use that list to create hundreds of promotion lists and don't care 
whether you are on it or not.

I wrote to at least 15 people at sys-con.com asking for help, but not a 
SINGLE person responded. Two of the 15 were dead addresses, but the rest 
all made it successfully to a person. Or, well, I should say that it 
appears to be a person. Another blogger wrote that the email addresses 
for staff are bogus. Anything with only a first name (i.e., john@, 
suzy@, etc) is bogus, while the staffers all hide behind full email 
addresses like john.doe@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED] So you're not likely to get a 
human anyhow. Phone calls to the company aren't returned. Threats and 
hate mail to the sales force aren't returned. Blogging about their 
deceptive and hypocritical techniques seems not to faze them.  All in 
all, I think they could care less what the rest of the world thinks 
about them as long as they have 100,000 email addresses in their 
possession (how they get their circulation numbers).

I have personally stopped every subscription I have to every sys-con 
media, and I will never do business with them again. I have also blocked 
their IP at the firewall level, and sent numerous complaints to CAUCE 
and other anti-spam organizations to try and get them on a blacklist. 
They are, IMHO, one of the worst spammers out there.

And if you think I'm exaggerating at all, trust me, I'm not scratching 
the surface. They are SCUM.

thanks,
bruce



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