Re: Very disappointing statis

[Bryan Stevenson]

Amen Mark!

as I tell my staff.come to me with solutionsnot problems

On Thu, 2011-12-15 at 09:34 +1100, Mark Mandel wrote:

> So, what are you going to do to promote ColdFusion more?
> 
> No point in complaining about the problem, unless you are going to propose
> and implement some solutions :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Robert Harrison  > wrote:
> 
> >
> > Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
> >
> > http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
> >
> > Robert B. Harrison
> > Director of Interactive Services
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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Roger Austin]

On 12/14/2011 12:39 PM, Raymond Camden wrote:
>
> *checks watch*
> Yep, about time for another CF is dead thread.
> *goes back to work*

OMG Adobe has made Ray the PR guy since he was the noob.
OMG CF is doomed. :)
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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Mark Mandel]

So, what are you going to do to promote ColdFusion more?

No point in complaining about the problem, unless you are going to propose
and implement some solutions :)

Mark

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Robert Harrison  wrote:

>
> Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
>
> Robert B. Harrison
> Director of Interactive Services
> Austin & Williams
> 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
> Hauppauge NY 11788
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>
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>
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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Russ Michaels]

hacking up wordpress, Joomla and drupal sites is really all you need in the
PHP world though, these apps do almost everything most folks need, why pay
$thousands to build something from scratch if you can get the same result
from an off the shelf open source app in a few hours, even if customisation
is required, it is still less time/cost and requires less skills as you can
even automate the install and setup using Fantasico or Web Platform
Installer.
As much as I love CF, if I want to get something up quick, I will use one
of those PHP apps most of time, Mura is great, but it still requires a lot
more work and is lacking all the plugins and templates that the PHP
solutions have.
ColdFusion's advantage is most definitely in the enterprise, intranet,
bespoke market.


On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Raymond Camden wrote:

>
> *checks watch*
> Yep, about time for another CF is dead thread.
> *goes back to work*
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Casey Dougall
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Cameron Childress  >wrote:
> >
> >> This is but a grain of sand on the beach of web development.  Look at
> the
> >> beach, not the individual grains of sand.
> >>
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Almost 150,000,000 active websites on the interwebs. I've yet to run out
> of
> > ColdFusion work, and anyone I know doing php seems to just be hacking up
> > wordpress and drupal so no big loss there :-)
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:

> Hey, I just heard Ray say that CF is dead! OMG, it must be true,
> spread the word!!!
>

Adobe could at least include it in the drop down menu ;-)


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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Judah McAuley]

Hey, I just heard Ray say that CF is dead! OMG, it must be true,
spread the word!!!

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Raymond Camden  wrote:
>
> *checks watch*
> Yep, about time for another CF is dead thread.
> *goes back to work*
>

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Raymond Camden]

*checks watch*
Yep, about time for another CF is dead thread.
*goes back to work*

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Casey Dougall
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
>> This is but a grain of sand on the beach of web development.  Look at the
>> beach, not the individual grains of sand.
>>
>
> Exactly.
>
> Almost 150,000,000 active websites on the interwebs. I've yet to run out of
> ColdFusion work, and anyone I know doing php seems to just be hacking up
> wordpress and drupal so no big loss there :-)
>
>
> 

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:

> This is but a grain of sand on the beach of web development.  Look at the
> beach, not the individual grains of sand.
>

Exactly.

Almost 150,000,000 active websites on the interwebs. I've yet to run out of
ColdFusion work, and anyone I know doing php seems to just be hacking up
wordpress and drupal so no big loss there :-)


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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Cameron Childress]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Robert Harrison <
rob...@austin-williams.com> wrote:

> Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
>

This is but a grain of sand on the beach of web development.  Look at the
beach, not the individual grains of sand.

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Kelly Matthews]

Yep several sites I rebuilt I use HTML files to process CF as well so they 
wouldn't lose their search engine positions etc. 

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On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Wil Genovese wrote:

> 
> Plus, many sites don't even have a way to show that ColdFusion (or any other 
> language) is being used.   
> 
> Politico for example is a HUGE ColdFusion powered site that generates dynamic 
> content with CF and builds HTML files. 
> The United Nations websites does the same with ColdFusion. 
> There are a ton of Government sites using ColdFusion  - Does Alexa even rank 
> Government sites?
> 
> Google this  filetype:cfm  
> But this still only finds actual .cfm files and not any site that uses SES 
> URL's.  
> 
> 
> Wil Genovese
> Sr. Web Application Developer/
> Systems Administrator
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> 
> wilg...@trunkful.com
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> 
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Justin Scott wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
>>> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
>> 
>> I'm actually surprised it's as high as it is given their methodology.
>> They claim to look at the top one million (or thereabouts) websites as
>> ranked by Alexa.  These are going to be popular, public, relatively
>> high-traffic sites which is not ColdFusion's bread and butter.
>> 
>> ColdFusion has a huge market "behind the firewall" in corporate and
>> government intranets and other places that these kinds of surveys
>> can't report on.  PHP will usually dominate these kinds of surveys
>> because of popular open source tools that can be deployed by less
>> technical users, such as forums, content management systems, and
>> blogging tools such as WordPress.  Contrary to reports like this,
>> ColdFusion is alive and well in the enterprise.  It's less popular for
>> public websites than other languages, but that doesn't concern me in
>> the least.
>> 
>> 
>> -Justin Scott
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Wil Genovese]

Plus, many sites don't even have a way to show that ColdFusion (or any other 
language) is being used.   

Politico for example is a HUGE ColdFusion powered site that generates dynamic 
content with CF and builds HTML files. 
The United Nations websites does the same with ColdFusion. 
There are a ton of Government sites using ColdFusion  - Does Alexa even rank 
Government sites?

Google this  filetype:cfm  
But this still only finds actual .cfm files and not any site that uses SES 
URL's.  


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Systems Administrator
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On Dec 14, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Justin Scott wrote:

> 
>> Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
>> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
> 
> I'm actually surprised it's as high as it is given their methodology.
> They claim to look at the top one million (or thereabouts) websites as
> ranked by Alexa.  These are going to be popular, public, relatively
> high-traffic sites which is not ColdFusion's bread and butter.
> 
> ColdFusion has a huge market "behind the firewall" in corporate and
> government intranets and other places that these kinds of surveys
> can't report on.  PHP will usually dominate these kinds of surveys
> because of popular open source tools that can be deployed by less
> technical users, such as forums, content management systems, and
> blogging tools such as WordPress.  Contrary to reports like this,
> ColdFusion is alive and well in the enterprise.  It's less popular for
> public websites than other languages, but that doesn't concern me in
> the least.
> 
> 
> -Justin Scott
> 
> 

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[John M Bliss]

> Any stats that look more promising than this?

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/pdfs/adobecoldfusionevangelismkit.pdf


On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Robert Harrison <
rob...@austin-williams.com> wrote:

>
> > ColdFusion has a huge market "behind the firewall" in corporate and
> government intranets and other places that these kinds of surveys can't
> report on
>
> That may be true. Does anyone know of solid statistics on CF market share
> of CMS driven sites. Any stats that look more promising than this?
>
> Robert B. Harrison
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RE: Very disappointing statis

[Robert Harrison]

> ColdFusion has a huge market "behind the firewall" in corporate and 
> government intranets and other places that these kinds of surveys can't 
> report on

That may be true. Does anyone know of solid statistics on CF market share of 
CMS driven sites. Any stats that look more promising than this?

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Dave Watts]

> Please correct me if I am wrong. But doesn't Javascript run Client
> side? Is there a way to make Javascript run on the server and not on
> the client? If so, that would solve some issues I've been having. :)

JavaScript can run anywhere there's a JavaScript interpreter. In the
context of a CF web application, the only place JavaScript can run is
the client, because CF is doing the server-side stuff. But when
JavaScript first came out ("LiveScript") there was a server-side
interpreter for it. You can run JS batch files in Windows. JS is used
in Flex applications, where it's called ActionScript.

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Claude Schnéegans]

 >>All credibility is lost with that statement.

No, there used to be a server side Javascript language, during the good times 
of Netscape.
This language was a PITA, but it did exist.

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Justin Scott]

> Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all

I'm actually surprised it's as high as it is given their methodology.
They claim to look at the top one million (or thereabouts) websites as
ranked by Alexa.  These are going to be popular, public, relatively
high-traffic sites which is not ColdFusion's bread and butter.

ColdFusion has a huge market "behind the firewall" in corporate and
government intranets and other places that these kinds of surveys
can't report on.  PHP will usually dominate these kinds of surveys
because of popular open source tools that can be deployed by less
technical users, such as forums, content management systems, and
blogging tools such as WordPress.  Contrary to reports like this,
ColdFusion is alive and well in the enterprise.  It's less popular for
public websites than other languages, but that doesn't concern me in
the least.


-Justin Scott

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Phillip Vector]

I still wouldn't give it credence.. Don't forget, the web is a big
place. Allot of the sites visited are probably forums and such (which
php is dominant). Any company wanting quality will go for CF or
ASP.Net.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Robert Harrison
 wrote:
>
> Yes you can run JS server side. It's rare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodejs
>
> However, the focus is 1.2% ColdFusion. OMG.
>
> Robert B. Harrison
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RE: Very disappointing statis

[Robert Harrison]

Yes you can run JS server side. It's rare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodejs 

However, the focus is 1.2% ColdFusion. OMG.  

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Dan Baughman]

http://nodejs.org/

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Phillip Vector
wrote:

>
> Please correct me if I am wrong. But doesn't Javascript run Client
> side? Is there a way to make Javascript run on the server and not on
> the client? If so, that would solve some issues I've been having. :)
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Dan Baughman 
> wrote:
> >
> > Because you think node.js is more popular?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Phillip Vector
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "The following server-side programming languages are used by less than
> >> 0.1% of the websites
> >>
> >>JavaScript"
> >>
> >> All credibility is lost with that statement.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Robert Harrison
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
> >> >
> >> > http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
> >> >
> >> > Robert B. Harrison
> >> > Director of Interactive Services
> >> > Austin & Williams
> >> > 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
> >> > Hauppauge NY 11788
> >> > P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119
> >> > F : 631.434.7022
> >> > http://www.austin-williams.com
> >> >
> >> > Great advertising can't be either/or.  It must be &.
> >> >
> >> > Plug in to our blog: A&W Unplugged
> >> > http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Phillip Vector]

Please correct me if I am wrong. But doesn't Javascript run Client
side? Is there a way to make Javascript run on the server and not on
the client? If so, that would solve some issues I've been having. :)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Dan Baughman  wrote:
>
> Because you think node.js is more popular?
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Phillip Vector
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "The following server-side programming languages are used by less than
>> 0.1% of the websites
>>
>>    JavaScript"
>>
>> All credibility is lost with that statement.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Robert Harrison
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
>> >
>> > http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
>> >
>> > Robert B. Harrison
>> > Director of Interactive Services
>> > Austin & Williams
>> > 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
>> > Hauppauge NY 11788
>> > P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119
>> > F : 631.434.7022
>> > http://www.austin-williams.com
>> >
>> > Great advertising can't be either/or.  It must be &.
>> >
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>> > http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 

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RE: Very disappointing statis

[Robert Harrison]

> The following server-side programming languages are used by less than 0.1% of 
> the websites
>JavaScript

>>  All credibility is lost with that statement

I don't think so.   There are a few people using Javascript on the server. I've 
actually seen it once. Crazy, but nonetheless it is real. 



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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Dan Baughman]

Because you think node.js is more popular?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Phillip Vector
wrote:

>
> "The following server-side programming languages are used by less than
> 0.1% of the websites
>
>JavaScript"
>
> All credibility is lost with that statement.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Robert Harrison
>  wrote:
> >
> > Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
> >
> > http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
> >
> > Robert B. Harrison
> > Director of Interactive Services
> > Austin & Williams
> > 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
> > Hauppauge NY 11788
> > P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119
> > F : 631.434.7022
> > http://www.austin-williams.com
> >
> > Great advertising can't be either/or.  It must be &.
> >
> > Plug in to our blog: A&W Unplugged
> > http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Very disappointing statis

[Phillip Vector]

"The following server-side programming languages are used by less than
0.1% of the websites

JavaScript"

All credibility is lost with that statement.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Robert Harrison
 wrote:
>
> Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration.
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
>
> Robert B. Harrison
> Director of Interactive Services
> Austin & Williams
> 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
> Hauppauge NY 11788
> P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119
> F : 631.434.7022
> http://www.austin-williams.com
>
> Great advertising can't be either/or.  It must be &.
>
> Plug in to our blog: A&W Unplugged
> http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged
>
> 

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Very disappointing statis

[Robert Harrison]

Very disappointing statistics for ColdFusion market penetration. 

http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all 

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