Web imposed limits?
Hello, As end user data rates get faster and more companies are turning to web based intranets our web applications are getting larger. I am starting to worry about some of the limits imposed by the client's browser. So I was wondering if anyone could point me to some material that describes these limits. There are others that I am concerned about but the following is a short list of current concerns: Web Browser: 1) What is the maximum size a URL (and variable tokens) can be? 2) What is the maximum size of a form variable? 3) What is the maximum amount of data a select box can handle? 4) How much data can you send to a web browser (and be displayed)? Cold Fusion: 1) What is the limit of a verity collection? (CF4.0 CF 5.0) 2) How many records of a database can verity index? (CF4.0 CF5.0) Best regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Web Design and Hosting Company tel: (203)879-2844 fax: (203)879-6254 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://dennis.uxb.net/ __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Web imposed limits?
Monday, August 26, 2002, 10:45:24 AM, you wrote: UI 1) What is the maximum size a URL (and variable tokens) can be? There is none, and the applicable RFC states clients and servers should be able to handle lengths of unbounded size. In reality, it depends on the web server and browser implementation. There are practical limits though. Form and URL variables are not the only way to exchange data with the browser. UI 2) What is the maximum size of a form variable? See 1 UI 3) What is the maximum amount of data a select box can handle? Depends on the client. Wherever the maximum limit is, in all the browsers I've used, it must be well beyond the practical limit. UI 4) How much data can you send to a web browser (and be displayed)? For a large web page, generally the limiting factor is rendering of the data, not speed of transfer as long as the connection is decent. If the client has only a 56kbit connection maximums are the least of worrys. UI Cold Fusion: UI 1) What is the limit of a verity collection? (CF4.0 CF 5.0) UI 2) How many records of a database can verity index? (CF4.0 CF5.0) Dunno, but it's big enough for most CF projects. I'd think that if you know in advance that you will be indexing many gigabyes of data you may want to research different indexing solutions to find the one that best suits your needs. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Web imposed limits?
I could be wrong but I don't believe that's true. I once tried passing a lot of data on the URL (paragraphs of text) and discovered the CF page wasn't working. I later narrowed this down to the size of the paragraph. I don't recall the limit but it was certainly strange behavior. You can try it yourself by trying to pass a lot of text in a variable and looking at the behavior. -Novak - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? Monday, August 26, 2002, 10:45:24 AM, you wrote: UI 1) What is the maximum size a URL (and variable tokens) can be? There is none, and the applicable RFC states clients and servers should be able to handle lengths of unbounded size. In reality, it depends on the web server and browser implementation. There are practical limits though. Form and URL variables are not the only way to exchange data with the browser. UI 2) What is the maximum size of a form variable? See 1 UI 3) What is the maximum amount of data a select box can handle? Depends on the client. Wherever the maximum limit is, in all the browsers I've used, it must be well beyond the practical limit. UI 4) How much data can you send to a web browser (and be displayed)? For a large web page, generally the limiting factor is rendering of the data, not speed of transfer as long as the connection is decent. If the client has only a 56kbit connection maximums are the least of worrys. UI Cold Fusion: UI 1) What is the limit of a verity collection? (CF4.0 CF 5.0) UI 2) How many records of a database can verity index? (CF4.0 CF5.0) Dunno, but it's big enough for most CF projects. I'd think that if you know in advance that you will be indexing many gigabyes of data you may want to research different indexing solutions to find the one that best suits your needs. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Web imposed limits?
That would be a limitation of the implementation, in your case CF or the web server, or something else...not a magic limit placed by the W3C. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, August 26, 2002, 1:38:16 PM, you wrote: ncn I could be wrong but I don't believe that's true. I once tried passing a ncn lot of data on the URL (paragraphs of text) and discovered the CF page ncn wasn't working. I later narrowed this down to the size of the paragraph. ncn I don't recall the limit but it was certainly strange behavior. You can try ncn it yourself by trying to pass a lot of text in a variable and looking at the ncn behavior. ncn -Novak ncn - Original Message - ncn From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:30 AM ncn Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? Monday, August 26, 2002, 10:45:24 AM, you wrote: UI 1) What is the maximum size a URL (and variable tokens) can be? There is none, and the applicable RFC states clients and servers should be able to handle lengths of unbounded size. In reality, it depends on the web server and browser implementation. There are practical limits though. Form and URL variables are not the only way to exchange data with the browser. UI 2) What is the maximum size of a form variable? See 1 UI 3) What is the maximum amount of data a select box can handle? Depends on the client. Wherever the maximum limit is, in all the browsers I've used, it must be well beyond the practical limit. UI 4) How much data can you send to a web browser (and be displayed)? For a large web page, generally the limiting factor is rendering of the data, not speed of transfer as long as the connection is decent. If the client has only a 56kbit connection maximums are the least of worrys. UI Cold Fusion: UI 1) What is the limit of a verity collection? (CF4.0 CF 5.0) UI 2) How many records of a database can verity index? (CF4.0 CF5.0) Dunno, but it's big enough for most CF projects. I'd think that if you know in advance that you will be indexing many gigabyes of data you may want to research different indexing solutions to find the one that best suits your needs. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web imposed limits?
I'm not sure where I get this from, but I believe that Verity (in CF 4.5.1) had a limit of 2GB for indexing. I once had to create multiple indexes for an 8 GB archive. IGOR ILYINSKY CREDIT|FIRST SUISSE|BOSTON GLOBAL WEB SERVICES -Original Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? That would be a limitation of the implementation, in your case CF or the web server, or something else...not a magic limit placed by the W3C. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, August 26, 2002, 1:38:16 PM, you wrote: ncn I could be wrong but I don't believe that's true. I once tried passing a ncn lot of data on the URL (paragraphs of text) and discovered the CF page ncn wasn't working. I later narrowed this down to the size of the paragraph. ncn I don't recall the limit but it was certainly strange behavior. You can try ncn it yourself by trying to pass a lot of text in a variable and looking at the ncn behavior. ncn -Novak ncn - Original Message - ncn From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:30 AM ncn Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? Monday, August 26, 2002, 10:45:24 AM, you wrote: UI 1) What is the maximum size a URL (and variable tokens) can be? There is none, and the applicable RFC states clients and servers should be able to handle lengths of unbounded size. In reality, it depends on the web server and browser implementation. There are practical limits though. Form and URL variables are not the only way to exchange data with the browser. UI 2) What is the maximum size of a form variable? See 1 UI 3) What is the maximum amount of data a select box can handle? Depends on the client. Wherever the maximum limit is, in all the browsers I've used, it must be well beyond the practical limit. UI 4) How much data can you send to a web browser (and be displayed)? For a large web page, generally the limiting factor is rendering of the data, not speed of transfer as long as the connection is decent. If the client has only a 56kbit connection maximums are the least of worrys. UI Cold Fusion: UI 1) What is the limit of a verity collection? (CF4.0 CF 5.0) UI 2) How many records of a database can verity index? (CF4.0 CF5.0) Dunno, but it's big enough for most CF projects. I'd think that if you know in advance that you will be indexing many gigabyes of data you may want to research different indexing solutions to find the one that best suits your needs. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Web imposed limits?
and there is the answer to the question about Verity. btw, I don't think the W3C, has anything to do with Verity...you might want to reread that thread. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, August 26, 2002, 2:30:32 PM, you wrote: II I'm not sure where I get this from, but I believe that Verity (in CF 4.5.1) had a limit of 2GB for indexing. I once had to create multiple indexes for an 8 GB archive. II IGOR ILYINSKY II CREDIT|FIRST II SUISSE|BOSTON II GLOBAL WEB SERVICES II -Original Message- II From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] II Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:06 PM II To: CF-Talk II Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? II That would be a limitation of the implementation, in your case CF or II the web server, or something else...not a magic limit placed by the W3C. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Web imposed limits?
Jon, Yes, you are correct. There is no limit imposed by the W3C. What I was saying is that some browsers (or as you mentioned, CF or the web server, etc) have a limit. I was simply recommending that he test the situation before assuming an unlimited length URL as I have found this not to be the case in many situations. As we all know... the W3C isn't always followed to the letter. -Novak - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? That would be a limitation of the implementation, in your case CF or the web server, or something else...not a magic limit placed by the W3C. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, August 26, 2002, 1:38:16 PM, you wrote: ncn I could be wrong but I don't believe that's true. I once tried passing a ncn lot of data on the URL (paragraphs of text) and discovered the CF page ncn wasn't working. I later narrowed this down to the size of the paragraph. ncn I don't recall the limit but it was certainly strange behavior. You can try ncn it yourself by trying to pass a lot of text in a variable and looking at the ncn behavior. ncn -Novak ncn - Original Message - ncn From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:30 AM ncn Subject: Re: Web imposed limits? Monday, August 26, 2002, 10:45:24 AM, you wrote: UI 1) What is the maximum size a URL (and variable tokens) can be? There is none, and the applicable RFC states clients and servers should be able to handle lengths of unbounded size. In reality, it depends on the web server and browser implementation. There are practical limits though. Form and URL variables are not the only way to exchange data with the browser. UI 2) What is the maximum size of a form variable? See 1 UI 3) What is the maximum amount of data a select box can handle? Depends on the client. Wherever the maximum limit is, in all the browsers I've used, it must be well beyond the practical limit. UI 4) How much data can you send to a web browser (and be displayed)? For a large web page, generally the limiting factor is rendering of the data, not speed of transfer as long as the connection is decent. If the client has only a 56kbit connection maximums are the least of worrys. UI Cold Fusion: UI 1) What is the limit of a verity collection? (CF4.0 CF 5.0) UI 2) How many records of a database can verity index? (CF4.0 CF5.0) Dunno, but it's big enough for most CF projects. I'd think that if you know in advance that you will be indexing many gigabyes of data you may want to research different indexing solutions to find the one that best suits your needs. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ncn __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
