Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 at 05:46, Noah Misch via cfarm-users
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 07:39:08PM -0700, Daniel B. Widdis via cfarm-users 
> wrote:
> > Any chance of getting git installed?
> >
> > $ rpm -qa | grep git
> > git-core-2.38.3-1.ppc
> > git-2.38.3-1.ppc
> > git-core-doc-2.38.3-1.noarch
> > $ git init
> > ksh: git:  not found.
>
> It's at /opt/freeware/bin/git

Which can't be found when trying to push to a remote on gcc119:

$ git push gcc119 master
bash: line 1: git-receive-pack: command not found
fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Please make sure you have the correct access rights
and the repository exists.


You can solve that by telling the client-side git where to find it:

git push --receive-pack=/opt/freeware/bin/git-receive-pack gcc119 master

which can be configured to be used every time:

git config remote.gcc119.receivepack /opt/freeware/bin/git-receive-pack
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Noah Misch via cfarm-users]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 07:39:08PM -0700, Daniel B. Widdis via cfarm-users 
wrote:
> Any chance of getting git installed?
> 
> $ rpm -qa | grep git
> git-core-2.38.3-1.ppc
> git-2.38.3-1.ppc
> git-core-doc-2.38.3-1.noarch
> $ git init
> ksh: git:  not found.

It's at /opt/freeware/bin/git
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Daniel B. Widdis via cfarm-users]

> I believe that all additional Open Source packages that had been
requested in recent years have been installed.

May depend on how you define "recent".  Any chance of getting git installed?

$ rpm -qa | grep git
git-core-2.38.3-1.ppc
git-2.38.3-1.ppc
git-core-doc-2.38.3-1.noarch
$ git init
ksh: git:  not found.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 7:14 AM David Edelsohn via cfarm-users <
cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:

> All AIX Open Source Toolbox applications were refreshed and are current.
>
> I believe that all additional Open Source packages that had been requested
> in recent years have been installed.
>
> Thanks, David
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 6:47 AM Michael Felt via cfarm-users <
> cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:
>
>> Migration complete.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Michael Felt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181*
>>
>> *Email* aixto...@felt.demon.nl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cfarm-users  *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael Felt via cfarm-users
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 12, 2023 5:35 PM
>> *To:* GCC Compile Farm Users 
>> *Cc:* Michael Felt 
>> *Subject:* [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Next Wednesday, 16 August 2023 at about 0700 GMT gcc119 will go down as
>> we start the migration from AIX 7.2 to AIX 7.3 TL1.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ideally, we will be finished within 3 hours. The virtual machine (LPAR)
>> is moving to a new partition, but on the same frame aka host. If, after
>> three hours, the migration has not succeeded we will restart the gcc119 as
>> AIX 7.2 – and figure out why it didn’t work before initiating a new merger.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Felt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Michael Felt
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Michael Felt via cfarm-users]

I have NTP service running (xntpd service on AIX). It is using the 
`time.osuosl.org` as timeserver. I’ll check back in a few days and see if it 
communicating. On other servers (AIX 7.1 and AIX 7.2) for unexplained reasons – 
the communication with this server stopped working consistently.

 

If it continues for AIX 7.3 I’ll point it at generic timeserver addresses – as 
they do work.

 

Regards,

Michael

 


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Email aixto...@felt.demon.nl 

 

 

 

From: cfarm-users  On Behalf Of Sean 
McGovern via cfarm-users
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 12:24 AM
To: GCC Compile Farm Users 
Cc: Sean McGovern 
Subject: Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

 

Does OSUOSL possibly have an NTP server that can be used for the CF machines 
hosted there?

Sean McGovern

 

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 18:07 David Edelsohn via cfarm-users 
mailto:cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> > 
wrote:

I have adjusted the time on gcc119 so that it is fairly close, but I agree that 
it should be using NTP for time synchronization.

 

Thanks, David

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 7:35 AM Bruno Haible via cfarm-users 
mailto:cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> > 
wrote:

Michael Felt wrote:
> Migration complete.

Thanks!

The system clock of this machine is 42 minutes backwards:
$ LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date ; ssh gcc119.fsffrance.org <http://gcc119.fsffrance.org> 
 TZ=UTC date
Fri Aug 18 11:27:41 UTC 2023
Fri Aug 18 10:45:40 UTC 2023

Could this be fixed, please? Because in the current state, it means that after
creating a tarball of any package that uses a 'configure' script, I need to
wait 42 minutes until I can build it.

The best way to fix this would be to activate an ntp daemon, or equivalent, IMO.
Because with the older OS on the same machine, I often observed a clock shift
of 5 to 10 minutes, which was also somewhat annoying.

Bruno



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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Michael Felt via cfarm-users]

Yes, it does. If it hasn’t been done by David already – I’ll copy a 
configuration from another system and activate it.

 


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Michael Felt 

 


Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181 

Email aixto...@felt.demon.nl 

 

 

 

From: cfarm-users  On Behalf Of Sean 
McGovern via cfarm-users
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 12:24 AM
To: GCC Compile Farm Users 
Cc: Sean McGovern 
Subject: Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

 

Does OSUOSL possibly have an NTP server that can be used for the CF machines 
hosted there?

Sean McGovern

 

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 18:07 David Edelsohn via cfarm-users 
mailto:cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> > 
wrote:

I have adjusted the time on gcc119 so that it is fairly close, but I agree that 
it should be using NTP for time synchronization.

 

Thanks, David

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 7:35 AM Bruno Haible via cfarm-users 
mailto:cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> > 
wrote:

Michael Felt wrote:
> Migration complete.

Thanks!

The system clock of this machine is 42 minutes backwards:
$ LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date ; ssh gcc119.fsffrance.org <http://gcc119.fsffrance.org> 
 TZ=UTC date
Fri Aug 18 11:27:41 UTC 2023
Fri Aug 18 10:45:40 UTC 2023

Could this be fixed, please? Because in the current state, it means that after
creating a tarball of any package that uses a 'configure' script, I need to
wait 42 minutes until I can build it.

The best way to fix this would be to activate an ntp daemon, or equivalent, IMO.
Because with the older OS on the same machine, I often observed a clock shift
of 5 to 10 minutes, which was also somewhat annoying.

Bruno



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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users]

Jonathan Wakely  writes:

>If you have this problem with a tarball

It's not tar, see my other post, it's assorted broken archive formats some
dating back to MSDOS.  I suggested the 'make touch' solution because it pretty
much works no matter where the breakage lies.

Peter.

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023, 03:20 Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users, <
cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:

> Bruno Haible via cfarm-users  writes:
>
> >Because in the current state, it means that after creating a tarball of
> any
> >package that uses a 'configure' script, I need to wait 42 minutes until I
> can
> >build it.
>
> As someone in a time zone 12-24 hours ahead of most of the systems I use I
> run
> into this problem on almost every machine.  I've solved it by adding the
> following target to the makefile:
>
> touch:
> touch ./makefile
> find ./ | xargs touch
>
> If you really want to get fancy you could check for $system_date <
> $tarball_date and trigger that rule automatically.
>

If you have this problem with a tarball (implying you're already using tar)
then it suggests your system clock is wrong. Maybe you have your system
clock (which should be UTC) set to local time, instead of having the clock
set to UTC and your local time zone set to Pacific/Auckland.

If the problem you describe was real (rather than user error) it would
affect the entire world except for the Americas, and nobody would tolerate
it.
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Paul Eggert via cfarm-users]

On 8/20/23 22:25, Peter Gutmann wrote:

It's not buggy, it's just a poorly-designed archive format.


Why not use tar? Or, if for some reason you must use an archive format 
that is sensitive to time zone, why not set TZ when extracting? That 
would be simpler than fiddling with file timestamps afterwards.

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Bruno Haible via cfarm-users]

Peter Gutmann wrote:
> the 'make touch' workaround, which conveniently also gets around wrong-system-
> time problems, time-zone-set-wrong problems, ...

Your 'make touch' workaround does not work for packages that contain some
*.m4 files, an aclocal.m4 file, a configure file, and a config.h.in file.

What we would need is a command that shifts the time stamps of all files
in a directory. It could be called as
  shift-mtime --offset=TIME_OFFSET DIRECTORY...
e.g.
  shift-mtime --offset=-42m foobar-0.5

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users]

Bruno Haible  writes:

>If time zones do matter, either your packing program or your unpacking
>program is buggy.

It's not buggy, it's just a poorly-designed archive format.  That's why I used
the 'make touch' workaround, which conveniently also gets around wrong-system-
time problems, time-zone-set-wrong problems, ...

Peter.

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Bruno Haible via cfarm-users]

Peter Gutmann wrote:
> If you bundle something up on a system that's (say) 12 hours ahead of the
> target system and unpack it there, many of the files will have dates up to 12
> hours in the future, messing up the build process.  So time zones do matter.

If time zones do matter, either your packing program or your unpacking program
is buggy.

It is possible to design archive formats, archivers, and unarchivers in
such a way that after packing, transferring to a different machine, and
unpacking the time stamps are the same as they were on the original
machine (considering time zone differences) [1]. Therefore this is considered
correct program behaviour, and programs that behave like you describe them
are considered buggy.

GNU tar is correct, just to name one such archiver.

Bruno

[1] The "magic trick" is to use UTC.



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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Paul Eggert via cfarm-users]

On 8/20/23 21:56, Peter Gutmann wrote:

If you bundle something up on a system that's (say) 12 hours ahead of the
target system and unpack it there, many of the files will have dates up to 12
hours in the future


Not if "12 hours ahead" merely means a time zone difference. Tarball 
timestamps use Universal Time. Local time is only for display.


$ TZ=Pacific/Auckland sh -c 'date; touch foo; ls -l foo; tar cf tar foo'
Mon Aug 21 03:16:08 PM NZST 2023
-rw-rw-r-- 1 eggert eggert 0 Aug 21 15:16 foo
$ TZ=America/Los_Angeles sh -c 'mkdir d; cd d; tar xf ../tar; date; ls 
-l foo'

Sun Aug 20 08:16:12 PM PDT 2023
-rw-rw-r-- 1 eggert eggert 0 Aug 20 20:16 foo

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users]

Paul Eggert  writes:

>On 8/20/23 21:19, Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users wrote:
>> As someone in a time zone 12-24 hours ahead of most of the systems I use
>
>? Time zone shouldn't matter.

If you bundle something up on a system that's (say) 12 hours ahead of the
target system and unpack it there, many of the files will have dates up to 12
hours in the future, messing up the build process.  So time zones do matter.

Peter.

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Paul Eggert via cfarm-users]

On 8/20/23 21:19, Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users wrote:

As someone in a time zone 12-24 hours ahead of most of the systems I use


? Time zone shouldn't matter.

I run into problems with cfarm clock skew all the time, and it's never 
the time zone.

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Peter Gutmann via cfarm-users]

Bruno Haible via cfarm-users  writes:

>Because in the current state, it means that after creating a tarball of any
>package that uses a 'configure' script, I need to wait 42 minutes until I can
>build it.

As someone in a time zone 12-24 hours ahead of most of the systems I use I run
into this problem on almost every machine.  I've solved it by adding the
following target to the makefile:

touch:
touch ./makefile
find ./ | xargs touch

If you really want to get fancy you could check for $system_date <
$tarball_date and trigger that rule automatically.

Peter.

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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Sean McGovern via cfarm-users]

Does OSUOSL possibly have an NTP server that can be used for the CF
machines hosted there?

Sean McGovern

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 18:07 David Edelsohn via cfarm-users <
cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:

> I have adjusted the time on gcc119 so that it is fairly close, but I agree
> that it should be using NTP for time synchronization.
>
> Thanks, David
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 7:35 AM Bruno Haible via cfarm-users <
> cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Felt wrote:
>> > Migration complete.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> The system clock of this machine is 42 minutes backwards:
>> $ LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date ; ssh gcc119.fsffrance.org TZ=UTC date
>> Fri Aug 18 11:27:41 UTC 2023
>> Fri Aug 18 10:45:40 UTC 2023
>>
>> Could this be fixed, please? Because in the current state, it means that
>> after
>> creating a tarball of any package that uses a 'configure' script, I need
>> to
>> wait 42 minutes until I can build it.
>>
>> The best way to fix this would be to activate an ntp daemon, or
>> equivalent, IMO.
>> Because with the older OS on the same machine, I often observed a clock
>> shift
>> of 5 to 10 minutes, which was also somewhat annoying.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[David Edelsohn via cfarm-users]

I have adjusted the time on gcc119 so that it is fairly close, but I agree
that it should be using NTP for time synchronization.

Thanks, David


On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 7:35 AM Bruno Haible via cfarm-users <
cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:

> Michael Felt wrote:
> > Migration complete.
>
> Thanks!
>
> The system clock of this machine is 42 minutes backwards:
> $ LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date ; ssh gcc119.fsffrance.org TZ=UTC date
> Fri Aug 18 11:27:41 UTC 2023
> Fri Aug 18 10:45:40 UTC 2023
>
> Could this be fixed, please? Because in the current state, it means that
> after
> creating a tarball of any package that uses a 'configure' script, I need to
> wait 42 minutes until I can build it.
>
> The best way to fix this would be to activate an ntp daemon, or
> equivalent, IMO.
> Because with the older OS on the same machine, I often observed a clock
> shift
> of 5 to 10 minutes, which was also somewhat annoying.
>
> Bruno
>
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Bruno Haible via cfarm-users]

Michael Felt wrote:
> Migration complete.

Thanks!

The system clock of this machine is 42 minutes backwards:
$ LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date ; ssh gcc119.fsffrance.org TZ=UTC date
Fri Aug 18 11:27:41 UTC 2023
Fri Aug 18 10:45:40 UTC 2023

Could this be fixed, please? Because in the current state, it means that after
creating a tarball of any package that uses a 'configure' script, I need to
wait 42 minutes until I can build it.

The best way to fix this would be to activate an ntp daemon, or equivalent, IMO.
Because with the older OS on the same machine, I often observed a clock shift
of 5 to 10 minutes, which was also somewhat annoying.

Bruno



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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[David Edelsohn via cfarm-users]

All AIX Open Source Toolbox applications were refreshed and are current.

I believe that all additional Open Source packages that had been requested
in recent years have been installed.

Thanks, David


On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 6:47 AM Michael Felt via cfarm-users <
cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:

> Migration complete.
>
>
>
> 
>
> Michael Felt
>
>
>
>
> *Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181*
>
> *Email* aixto...@felt.demon.nl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cfarm-users  *On
> Behalf Of *Michael Felt via cfarm-users
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 12, 2023 5:35 PM
> *To:* GCC Compile Farm Users 
> *Cc:* Michael Felt 
> *Subject:* [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Next Wednesday, 16 August 2023 at about 0700 GMT gcc119 will go down as we
> start the migration from AIX 7.2 to AIX 7.3 TL1.
>
>
>
> Ideally, we will be finished within 3 hours. The virtual machine (LPAR) is
> moving to a new partition, but on the same frame aka host. If, after three
> hours, the migration has not succeeded we will restart the gcc119 as AIX
> 7.2 – and figure out why it didn’t work before initiating a new merger.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Felt
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Michael Felt
>
>
>
>
> *Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181*
>
> *Email* aixto...@felt.demon.nl
>
>
>
>
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[David Edelsohn via cfarm-users]

FYI, the SSH key changed with the system migration.

David


On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 6:47 AM Michael Felt via cfarm-users <
cfarm-users@lists.tetaneutral.net> wrote:

> Migration complete.
>
>
>
> 
>
> Michael Felt
>
>
>
>
> *Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181*
>
> *Email* aixto...@felt.demon.nl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cfarm-users  *On
> Behalf Of *Michael Felt via cfarm-users
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 12, 2023 5:35 PM
> *To:* GCC Compile Farm Users 
> *Cc:* Michael Felt 
> *Subject:* [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Next Wednesday, 16 August 2023 at about 0700 GMT gcc119 will go down as we
> start the migration from AIX 7.2 to AIX 7.3 TL1.
>
>
>
> Ideally, we will be finished within 3 hours. The virtual machine (LPAR) is
> moving to a new partition, but on the same frame aka host. If, after three
> hours, the migration has not succeeded we will restart the gcc119 as AIX
> 7.2 – and figure out why it didn’t work before initiating a new merger.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Felt
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Michael Felt
>
>
>
>
> *Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181*
>
> *Email* aixto...@felt.demon.nl
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>
>
>
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Re: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

[Michael Felt via cfarm-users]

Migration complete.

 


   

Michael Felt 

 


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To: GCC Compile Farm Users 
Cc: Michael Felt 
Subject: [cfarm-users] Migration of gcc119

 

Dear all,

 

Next Wednesday, 16 August 2023 at about 0700 GMT gcc119 will go down as we
start the migration from AIX 7.2 to AIX 7.3 TL1.

 

Ideally, we will be finished within 3 hours. The virtual machine (LPAR) is
moving to a new partition, but on the same frame aka host. If, after three
hours, the migration has not succeeded we will restart the gcc119 as AIX 7.2
- and figure out why it didn't work before initiating a new merger.

 

Regards,

Michael Felt

 

 


   

Michael Felt 

 


Mobile +31 (0)6 5184 4181 

Email aixto...@felt.demon.nl   

 

 

 

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