[cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Hi everyone, Has anyone heard of, or had any success in, running ColdFusion in the cloud? I've seen some old blog posts around 2008/2009 about CF9 being setup in a cloud environment on Amazon EC2 but haven't had much luck beyond that. Any advice/info would be appreciated. -- Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone heard of, or had any success in, running ColdFusion in the cloud? I've seen some old blog posts around 2008/2009 about CF9 being setup in a cloud environment on Amazon EC2 but haven't had much luck beyond that. Sure. It's easy - and it's just like regular server install / setup. CF9 changed the EULA so you can (legally) run one virtual cloud instance on Standard and ten virtual cloud instances on Enterprise. With permission from Adobe, I ran CF8 Enterprise on Amazon EC2 back in 2008 (and that system is still running at Broadchoice). Do you have any specific questions about ColdFusion in the cloud? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Hi Sean, Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:06 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Brad Flemingbrad...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone heard of, or had any success in, running ColdFusion in the cloud? I've seen some old blog posts around 2008/2009 about CF9 being setup in a cloud environment on Amazon EC2 but haven't had much luck beyond that. Sure. It's easy - and it's just like regular server install / setup. CF9 changed the EULA so you can (legally) run one virtual cloud instance on Standard and ten virtual cloud instances on Enterprise. With permission from Adobe, I ran CF8 Enterprise on Amazon EC2 back in 2008 (and that system is still running at Broadchoice). Do you have any specific questions about ColdFusion in the cloud? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Flemingbrad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
They're exactly like regular servers. The only thing you have to watch out for is if the disk image is reset on a hard restart (e.g., regular Amazon EC2) so you need to use EBS or take a snapshot of your base configured image and save it to S3 as an AMI - assuming you're using Amazon. Rackspace is probably different. But all that stuff is independent of whether you're installing ColdFusion or anything else and is covered in depth in the cloud company's documentation... On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Amazon is pretty cheap to get up and running and have a play - so I'd say get in there and get your hands dirty :) Pick a Amazon AMI, which is a virtual image (Amazon has it's own Linux flavour too) of the whole OS already installed, and you can log in and do whatever needs doing very easily. One thing I will say - if you are looking to migrate a production application, make sure you do comparative load tests. In my experience (YMMV), I've found it tough to beat the performance of a physical box vs a Amazon Cloud server (even the high end ones), so be sure to know what you are getting into. Mark On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Great, thanks for that, Sean. That's very handy advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:27 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: They're exactly like regular servers. The only thing you have to watch out for is if the disk image is reset on a hard restart (e.g., regular Amazon EC2) so you need to use EBS or take a snapshot of your base configured image and save it to S3 as an AMI - assuming you're using Amazon. Rackspace is probably different. But all that stuff is independent of whether you're installing ColdFusion or anything else and is covered in depth in the cloud company's documentation... On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Brad Flemingbrad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Flemingbrad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Hi Mark, Thanks for that. The AMI option sounds like a good plan. As for physical vs cloud, I was wondering that same thing myself. I'll have a play around and see how it goes. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:27 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: Amazon is pretty cheap to get up and running and have a play - so I'd say get in there and get your hands dirty :) Pick a Amazon AMI, which is a virtual image (Amazon has it's own Linux flavour too) of the whole OS already installed, and you can log in and do whatever needs doing very easily. One thing I will say - if you are looking to migrate a production application, make sure you do comparative load tests. In my experience (YMMV), I've found it tough to beat the performance of a physical box vs a Amazon Cloud server (even the high end ones), so be sure to know what you are getting into. Mark On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com mailto:brad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Flemingbrad...@gmail.com mailto:brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com http://www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com http://www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Just be aware that the application generally needs substantial changes to work in a cloud. Nothing stored on the cloud server is guaranteed to be there at any point in time, thus all storage needs to be done elsewhere, including databases etc. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brad Fleming Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 11:38 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud Hi Mark, Thanks for that. The AMI option sounds like a good plan. As for physical vs cloud, I was wondering that same thing myself. I'll have a play around and see how it goes. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:27 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: Amazon is pretty cheap to get up and running and have a play - so I'd say get in there and get your hands dirty :) Pick a Amazon AMI, which is a virtual image (Amazon has it's own Linux flavour too) of the whole OS already installed, and you can log in and do whatever needs doing very easily. One thing I will say - if you are looking to migrate a production application, make sure you do comparative load tests. In my experience (YMMV), I've found it tough to beat the performance of a physical box vs a Amazon Cloud server (even the high end ones), so be sure to know what you are getting into. Mark On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Fleming mailto:brad...@gmail.com brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
Thanks Dale. That is a bit of a worry. There seem to be a few things popping up in the against column for running on a cloud. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 9:01 AM, Dale Fraser wrote: Just be aware that the application generally needs substantial changes to work in a cloud. Nothing stored on the cloud server is guaranteed to be there at any point in time, thus all storage needs to be done elsewhere, including databases etc. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com *From:*cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Fleming *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 March 2011 11:38 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud Hi Mark, Thanks for that. The AMI option sounds like a good plan. As for physical vs cloud, I was wondering that same thing myself. I'll have a play around and see how it goes. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:27 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: Amazon is pretty cheap to get up and running and have a play - so I'd say get in there and get your hands dirty :) Pick a Amazon AMI, which is a virtual image (Amazon has it's own Linux flavour too) of the whole OS already installed, and you can log in and do whatever needs doing very easily. One thing I will say - if you are looking to migrate a production application, make sure you do comparative load tests. In my experience (YMMV), I've found it tough to beat the performance of a physical box vs a Amazon Cloud server (even the high end ones), so be sure to know what you are getting into. Mark On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com mailto:brad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Flemingbrad...@gmail.com mailto:brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com http://www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com http://www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: Just be aware that the application generally needs substantial changes to work in a cloud. That's not true. Standard applications can run in the cloud just fine. The database just needs to be on persistence storage (such as EBS on Amazon), as do any uploaded or other served assets. In order to really leverage the power of the cloud, the scalability, the fact that you want to have an arbitrary cluster of an unknown number of servers that start and stop as you need them - elastic computing - then, yes, you need to design your application accordingly. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
That's not entirely true - the files you put on your AMI snapshot stay there (for non-EBS), and EBS instances retain their files from restart to restart. But if you're on Amazon - there are services readily available to manage things like CDNs and MySQL etc. There is some extra complexity in places with putting things up in the Cloud but there are benefits to. If you watch out of the cons, and can manage them, you get the pros - like anything else. Mark On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: Nothing stored on the cloud server is guaranteed to be there at any point in time, thus all storage needs to be done elsewhere, including databases etc. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
With EC2 you are also pretty much completely on your own support wise. Having tried out EC2, I now use http://www.ayera.com/ instead The performance difference is huge, plus Ayera's CEO is a CF developer. EC2 has terrible IO performance, unless your looking at scaling up to mulitple nodes, I would recommend avoiding EC2, the pricing is no longer that competitive either. You also get access to high speed shared external db servers, with Oracle, SQL Server and MySQL depending on the plan you choose CF is bundled z On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Dale. That is a bit of a worry. There seem to be a few things popping up in the against column for running on a cloud. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 9:01 AM, Dale Fraser wrote: Just be aware that the application generally needs substantial changes to work in a cloud. Nothing stored on the cloud server is guaranteed to be there at any point in time, thus all storage needs to be done elsewhere, including databases etc. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brad Fleming Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 11:38 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud Hi Mark, Thanks for that. The AMI option sounds like a good plan. As for physical vs cloud, I was wondering that same thing myself. I'll have a play around and see how it goes. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:27 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: Amazon is pretty cheap to get up and running and have a play - so I'd say get in there and get your hands dirty :) Pick a Amazon AMI, which is a virtual image (Amazon has it's own Linux flavour too) of the whole OS already installed, and you can log in and do whatever needs doing very easily. One thing I will say - if you are looking to migrate a production application, make sure you do comparative load tests. In my experience (YMMV), I've found it tough to beat the performance of a physical box vs a Amazon Cloud server (even the high end ones), so be sure to know what you are getting into. Mark On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Oh ok, great, I didn't think it would be that simple for a virtual server :-) Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Brad Fleming http://twitter.com/Captn_Brad http://cfugwa.com On 23/03/2011 8:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Brad Fleming brad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that. I was mainly looking for confirmation that it could be done as I couldn't seem to find much info on it (although I may not have been looking in the right places). Do you know of a link that could give me some info on the process of how it is set up? Er, you just install it on a cloud server like you'd install it on any regular server... Not sure what information you're after? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion in the Cloud
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: With EC2 you are also pretty much completely on your own support wise. It's liking having your own dedicated servers in a colo so, yes, in that respect you'll get no CF-specific support. Amazon is for people who know how to manage servers, as are Rackspace. Avera look like a standard CF hosting company - shared hosting, VPS, dedicated - rather than a cloud service, so it's a bit pointless to compare them, yes? EC2 has terrible IO performance, unless your looking at scaling up to mulitple nodes, I would recommend avoiding EC2, the pricing is no longer that competitive either. Amazon have a free micro instance (that will run ColdFusion - although it's tight; Railo / OpenBD do better because they use fewer resources). Certainly Amazon EC2 instances are, cost wise, much like a high-end VPS or dedicated server. I've generally found the basic EC2 storage to be slower than regular disk but EBS is high performance - the two storage types are designed to behave very differently. At Broadchoice, we moved from dedicated servers at a colo to large EC2 instances and, although startup time was slower due to EC2 storage, performance in general was much better and we were able to go from four instances to just two, supporting the same traffic with the same user response times. We experienced about one outage a year in the first couple of years of operation but Amazon's uptime and reliability has improved dramatically since then. The real benefits of cloud computing come not from Infrastructure as a Service (Rackspace**, Amazon, etc) but Platform as a Service (Google App Engine, CloudBees RUN@cloud formerly Stax, etc) where you don't worry about the servers, just the application, and the service takes care of upward and downward scaling on demand for you, automatically. **Rackspace are working on a Java-based PaaS offering but I don't recall details, nor where they've got to in the process. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
